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I dont know why everybody keeps saying this like non starters never get on the field. what is your point? again, we burned through about 90 cornerbacks last season. and you dont need a hundred reps to blow a major play, one will do. also, i dont know why everybody is coming at me like i said he should or shouldnt be signed anyway. i offered a quick evaluation of the cat. i dont get why you peple think EVERYTHING needs to be argued. did i say i expect us to pick up pro bowler? the way i remember things, ive been trying to tell all of you for a couple years running that the corner market was trash. of course now all of a sudden everybody believes me, lol. we already covered that... Rashaan Melvin was on tampa bay's practice squad early in the 2014 and finished the season starting against the patriots in the playoffs. again...depth is not a ban from the field of play.

I feel like we went what... Ross, Jackson, Webb the first half, Jimmy the second half, Cason, Chykie Brown, Danny Gorrer...that's six deep already last season and im sure i didnt cover everybody. everyday i pray for brevity to prevail on these boards and everyday i am disappointed. They were 13th in passing D, which is closer to average than anything and mostly because of the their front. He only started 5 games. and before that he played for Indy and Denver...who both also had less than impressive defenses. what else?

not the same thing. Forsett was buried on depth charts by superstars and even then was still giving his teams good production whenever he got on the field. his problem was mostly lack of opportunity. Detroit has no top corners, Cassius just isnt very good.

ok so then he'll get dusted by Bryant, Jones, Wheaton, Hawkins, or Sanu. well certianly makes me feel better

LMAO Detroits secondary has been garbage for the longest and he was no bright spot in it. 6 years in, this guy pretty much is who he's gonna be.

yeah, he's got way too many knee problems to make letting him go 11 on 1 with a kick coverage team a good idea and we dont have much going for us at corner outside of him and Jimmy.

There is no PUP list in the offseason, that's only for preseason injuries, and players on PUP list are not subject to waivers or available to be signed by other teams through any means. They just cant get back on the field for 6 weeks if they are on the list once the season starts. The only way to get him off the roster right now is to IR him.

The Steelers won 4 of those in the span of half a decade. in the modern era that's a lot less likely to happen for any team cuz better athletes and cuz salary cap, but its far from unrealistic.

thats a funny way to spell "i got nothing." well yeah...i asked a specific question and you gave and irrelevant and unrelated response...that's not really how answering a question works. If you ask me what my favorite color is and i say "calculus," that's not an answer to your question and you shouldnt accept it as such. nope. right now. theres a reason you're dodging my question, you just wont admit it. not my first, wont be my last, and ive never had a problem saying either of those things. try that on some one with a bigger ego. if you dont have a name to offer, than they are indeed random. doesnt matter what someone expects them to do, that's not the question. and im gonna cut off your quote there because that's really the last thing relevant to the conversation you had to say before you started rambling about a bunch of nonsense that has nothing to do with answering my question. as for the rest of your comments: i had initially laid out a point to point response in my usual style...but i retracted it because i realized something. I asked a simple question with a two pronoun answer. gotten everything from you except two pronouns. The bottom line here is that Yanda is the best lineman in the league. If you contend that he is not, then that necessarily implies that there is someone better than him. If you cannot name that person, than you're really not saying anything, and its not worth it for me to dignify any of your arguments with response until you stop dodging my question. Because you can make all the arguments you like, pose all the hypotheticals, point out all the flaws, call out all the the things he supposedly cant do...but until you can give me a name, the only thing you're really doing is listing the shortcomings...of the best lineman in the league. The only thing you're really saying is that he isnt perfect. True as that may be...it does not negate that he's the best.

so its not just me then? cuz there was a slew of people the other day tryna tell me that it was just me, lol.

have a coke and a smile Ben. its May, we're bored. have some fun.

I feel like this one's pretty easy guys, he's obviously destined to be Dos Equis.

ok well that ccould "potentially" happen regardless of whether he signs a contract now or not. Why are we talking about hypothetical contracts that we dont have any control over? we cant do anything about 8 years down the road...we can do something about the next 3-5. as for your data (im not gonna quote it for the sake cleanliness), a few things: 1) like i said before, Yanda's already proven he's not the average lineman. You cite a significant drop off after their 7th year. Yanda's in his ninth, and there's been no drop off, he's as good as ever. He's beating the league average, so this isnt much of a concern. yeah exceptions are exceptions, but what's the point in discussing the rule when you already know you have an exception? 2) even if he werent...according to the graph, he's still playing at a significantly high level regardless. The thing you should be taking from this graph (which i said already) is that even with degradation in performance over time, you can still milk a high level lineman for great line play well into their 16th or 17th season before you have to start worrying about their age making it not worth it anymore. that's 8 years away for Yanda...and we're only talking about the next 3-5. Blue chip guy on a 4 consecutive pro-bowl streak beats the upside guy every time IF a choice must be made. There's always a guy with upside.

i know that. And if things shake out that way, then that's whatever...nothing you can do about that. But offering both guys some money and working with the one that ends up being more amenable is totally different from writing Yanda off altogether and choosing to make K.O. a priority...which is the prevailing fan suggestion. Grubbs and Yanda, at the time, had similar resumes, but Yanda's a superior player to K.O. so they cant totally dismiss his right to seek better pay than Kelechi. They have to give him a little bit of space, so its not quite as simple as whoever signs a copy of the same contract first, this time around. the bottom line is that IF we dont sign both, its going to be because one (presumably Yanda) is more expensive than we'd like. Most of the fans seem comfortable presuming that as a foregone conclusion and not even bothering to try which i think, as i originally said, is dumb.

nobody said we should get rid of K.O. because he's old though. still not following... doesnt matter what you said, doesnt make sense either way. Nobody is writing an 8 year contract, and no contract that gets written now has any bearing on, nor does it guarantee the existence of, a second contract...so why are we talking about 2 contracts? Yanda is the superior player, and as i said before...nobody is writing a contract longer than 5 years. Yanda isnt old enough to be concerned that a 5 year contract will outlast his playing ability, so age is still irrelevant. in other words: you got nothing. I didnt say who's a better Left Tackle, i said better lineman. out of respect for the specific position they play. There are very few, if any, better all around lineman than Yanda. you cant even name one. you're right, that MISTAKE-- doesnt make a difference...i dont need to "slip in" anything to make a case, never had. when have any of your random Left Tackles? Take away Center (just to be nice) Yanda's still killin at 4 out of 5 OL positions...who is your challenger?

signing him now doesnt guarantee he extends a second time once that contract is up, so if you're talking about two contracts, that's just speculative hyperbole. and K.O. is not gone forever if he leaves us now, he can sign here again as a free agent in the future, he doesnt have to sign two consecutive Ravens contracts in order for us to get him back. He's also not the last guard on earth either, there will be new ones every year. what data? and if it even exists, what's that got to do with Yanda? you think Yanda fell off, is that what you're trying to say? Rod Woodson, Ray Lewis, Steve Smith, Derrick Mason, Anquan Boldin, Justin Forsett, Bryant McKinnie, Jacoby Jones...this franchise and all of its defining moments are built on players that are supposedly old and washed up...i dont understand how fans of this team in particular can overreact about age, especially at a position where it has diminished significance. we are a team that builds through the draft. I dont think anybody minds Urschel at guard do they? I'd rather pay for a few more years of elite guard play and time to find replacements (which is an inevitability), than pay for the hope that K.O. sticks around 8-10 years, especially given that he himself, is just the replacement for another guy we hoped would stick around for 8-10 years.

that's not based on my logic, that's a fact. K.O. is 24...what is your point though? but nobody writes contracts in sets of two, so that doesnt make sense. the entire point of this post was how irrelevant people's ages are in this situation and yet for some odd reason or another you're fixated on them. in any case...you completely missed the point. The last time it was time to pay Yanda and we had another good guard also lookign for a contract, Grubbs is the one who found his somewhere else. K.O. is the Ben Grubbs in this situation because if history repeats itself...he's the one that should be leaving. who's better? you gotta at least list an alternative if you're gonna say that...otherwise you're just saying stuff for the sake of saying it. he's the only guard anybody thought enough of to even mention for this thing, a 5x probowler, can play both guard spots at an elite level. plays tackle at a high level. sure there are a few guys that can play Center OR Tackle better than him, but who's playing Center, Guard, AND Tackle better than him?

the scope of evaluation is limited to only the previous season, history is not a factor here. well its not supposed to be anyway

Best. Lineman. he is not limited to guard, you can plant him anywhere and likely call it an upgrade over what you had before.

We're talking about o line. He doesnt need to run nine routes or beat press coverage, or chase down small guys with the ball. Age is an extremely limited factor in a position group where your main responsibility is simply to weigh 300+ pounds and push people. He is only 30, he has at least 5 years before his age is even worth paying attention to, and there arent many contracts that last much longer than that. i've never even heard of an 8 year NFL contract, and if there is one, no one is writing it for an offensive lineman. Yanda is double dipping on the depth chart and plays at a high level across the line, he would be worth every penny. Cant say the same for K.O., he is the Ben Grubbs in this situation if a choice must be made.

Yanda is the best lineman in the league. Baffles me when people around here talk about lettin him walk and focusing on K.O. smh

my waist is only 30 inches. he has small persons for thighs.

well, as far as fantasy goes, that's warranted. Historically, Ravens players are always far more valuable on an actual field than they are in fantasy scoring due to our general lack of offense up until the Kubiak, and then the balance of the attack there after. Forsett seems to remain a victim of his size and career arc as people still dont quite trust him as a legit back. he's a little underrated here, because he was money for me weekly last season, but other than that its hard to beef with the evaluation of those guys' fantasy value. If you arent at least playing in a PPR and/or IDP league, most ravens players are useless.

uhh, yeah. that's the point in reconstructing it. do you really think breaking a bone renders someone (a professional athlete, no less) permanently disabled? you're the only one i see out of touch with reality, human bodies do this thing called healing. he wouldnt be cut, because that's very expensive for us at this point. he'd be on IR. 1) Bo Jackson planned on retiring before he got hurt. The injury just sped up the timeline. 2) Bo Jackson retired 25 years ago...a lot has happened in sports medicine since then. how could you possibly know this? Pitta and Gilmore are the only names in this comment with a single NFL snap attached to it, and Gillmore's resume as a pass catcher isnt that impressive.

he was aiming for more sacks last year. Pass rush is just not his thing, and that's ok.