To say he over-achieved is insane. Systems are built for the QB, and Brady excels in the system he is in, by being the best QB in football. You also say that he can't throw the ball down the field, are you serious? Why do you think Gronk is so effective? Did you watch the deep balls he threw to Moss, the seam routes he hit Welker, Edelman, and Hogan on. I hate playing the Patriots because I know there is a great chance we are going to lose, and its not because of the playmakers they supposedly have, its because of Brady.
He makes WRs better, it's not like they make Tom Brady. You're still denying what he does as a QB and I guess you didn't look at the facts correctly....His career record is also 183-52. His PLAYOFF record is 25-9. Overall, 208-61. 5-2 in SBs. Haven't they been to 6 straight AFC championship games? Heck it might be 7. That isn't delusional fiction...that just proves he wins. If he continues to stay healthy, he will surpass every record in the book. He should have been the MVP of the league this past season. I guess all those wins were from those "playmakers" or amazing WRs that he has had. Ohh, here comes the argument about "well if he wasn't in the system he is in blah blah blah." Yeah he protects the ball, like great QBs. He gets the ball out quick, because its an effective game plan. How many times have we heard, "Flacco needs to get the ball out quicker!", He doesn't make bad decisions, he adjust his blitz pickups and finds mismatches. He also wins, which if I'm not mistaken, is pretty important in regards to how great you are...
Since you're so knowledgeable or think you are, you define what a great QB is and show me an all time great that didn't have a good supporting cast surrounding them? I will wait sir. Because everything you said didn't diminish what Tom Brady is, and that is one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest.
no its not.
he was picked in the 6th round.
His career is now 17 years old and includes 5 superbowl wins.
that's the definition of overachieving. You dont go to the 6th round to pick a 17 year starter to win 5 trophies with.
Do you people even english?
and yes i have watched Gronk and Moss beat up DBs and linebackers in mid air to snatch Tom Brady's wobbly and woefully underthrown "deep balls" and turn those disasters into positive yardage and/or points.
Clearly you havent noticed Brady all but stopped throwing deep balls after Moss left.
2007 and 2009, Brady throws 60+ deep balls both seasons.
2010, Brady's deep ball count drops to 30 and change, lol.
[blah blah blah blah, same cliche nonsense arguments about things the Patriots achieved that im tired of responding to]
He gets the ball out quick because his receivers are the ones doing all the work anyway, that's how the offense is designed.
You complain about Joe Flacco not getting the ball out fast because if Joe Flacco dumps the ball behind the line of scrimmage 6 times like Brady does, we just punt out of our own endzone...because we dont have receivers that do what Brady's do.
If you mean to argue that Brady is such a great INDIVIDUAL player, it might help if your arguments aren't entirely founded on TEAM stats.
*skips to the last paragraph*
There is no all time great that doesnt have a good supporting cast around him which is the foundation of my point. thats why i laugh when people like you come around talking about how Tom Brady has no talent on his team and he single handedly makes all the other players good.
lmao you're hilarious. You're talking in so many circle, you're sitting here asking me rhetorical questions that literally destroy your own arguments. cool story bro, good job champ.