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Me too! I think they fit what we are trying to do here. Marvin jones has surpassed Sanu on the bengals depth chart moving him to the number 2 option and Lamar miller is coming off of a career year. So they wont come cheap. But we can hope.

We only referenced what he has at his disposal by way of receivers. Greg Olsen is very good we have that caliber of player at tight end. Ted Ginn is an average speedy receiver, we had that in Torrey. Michael oher is one of those offensive lineman that your talking about, he was a Raven first. So what exactly do you mean? This proves my point. Again, if we don't let our players walk we have the same caliber team. I'm not talking about letting players walk that want to be overpaid. I think 20 million for five years is reasonable for a talent like Michael Oher. This is what overpaying for positions has done to us. We need to hit in the draft, if not ,we will be in the basement of the league for years to come. Keeping KO has become a necessity almost overnight.

No, not move on. Come up with a more realistic number. nothing more.

Wow, just because they get that kind of money doesn't mean they are worth that kind of money. Bradford.....lmao. Credibility- Flacco is worth 18 million a year....lmao <<<<Stop thinking market value and start thinking team game. Just to be clear I don't think there is a qb worth 18 million a year. Not one.

I agree with you Jacket. I just don't like coming into a draft with a ton of mediocre players on the roster. We had just about an entire season to poach, (any and everybody) from other teams practice squads. I'm hoping they have a few pieces that they really like. If we can't keep KO we will be starting a new player at left guard/ left tackle and that is a major cause for concern. Fielding a new guard or a new tackle is not good news for us. It will affect the running and passing game for at least a few games. If we miss on the tackle position in the draft, I think it gets real ugly in the next few years for us. I hope wagner is not hurt, i noticed him struggling in a hand full of games this year. All my post wont be about the QB, i would like to discuss all team needs.

I think they do to an extent. You guys are not willing to start a healthy QB battle in camp? Quite frankly i think Tyrod could have been that guy yet he has moved on. Bringing in guys that can't really compete for the position, is not helping our team. Remember when we had Ngata and Williams behind him. Webb and Cary with Jimmy waiting. Mcphee everywhere on that line. I couldn't wait for him to get in the game. Ray Rice and Mcghee and Mcclain. Everyone of these battles made the team better. Max and Crockett is the only position battle we have going on right now. This is sad. We need to create competition at every position. Not just the QB. We are a starter only team. We don't have a good rotation of players. Although i like Carl Davis and Zadarius Smith.

Marshawn is better than Ray Rice ever was????? I stop reading. Do you watch football? When Ray Rice was on top of his game there was only one running back i would have taken over him. Are you even serious?

Charles if you only knew my man. Dumb comments???? So keeping a guy at a 28 million hit when he is not worth 13 million a year is a good business decision? We are limited in Free agency as a result. The draft is what we are banking on to turn our team around. I really don't care how much you guys love Flacco. He needs to take a major pay cut. His play over his career here suggest just that. He is not Cam, Russell, Rodgers, Brady. These are the best QB's in the league today.

We are talking about the draft. It just so happens that we need to draft a Qb as well. I don't care if the lot of you "pile on". Please do. I cant wait! you guys are the main reason we are in bad shape. You cant see that our Qb is average and as a result we cant build a formidable team around him. In free agency/draft we will need to address multiple positions that i have also referenced throughout this thread. Just look

Carolina Panthers. I rest my case. http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/car/carolina-panthers In case your interested. Please don't try to come back with anything about the defense, you referenced offensive players and quarterbacks, and just got silenced.

Troll?? Who cares what they call me. I know this game. Our team is suffering because an average guy has an inflated contract that he can't live up to. It's that simple. We have to many team needs to address in one draft. If you guys are happy with being in the basement of the AFC then that's fine. If you want to know how to climb out, its simple, spread the money out. Don't let K.O walk and find an explosive check down back. We'll need another speedy receiver that can stretch the field even if Perriman comes back. Definitely need a new corner and safety. If we can acquire these things we might make it back in the playoff hunt.

If they ended their career right now Joe would have tied a playoff record and won one Superbowl. While Wilson has also won one and played in another. With the dumbest coaching decision in the history of the game, stopping him from claiming back to back titles. We just disagree on who is better. Give it some time. I know Wilson makes his team better. The question is, does Flacco?

It really is a compliment. No i'm not any of the people you argued with before.

This is already happening Arnie. If you haven't noticed we don't look sharp at all. We could argue over the cause all day. But one guy is the face of this franchise and he is struggling in that role. He needs a Ray Rice, A Healthy Suggs, and all the other so called role players, from our Super Bowl team. I'm still mad that we Let Mcphee walk out the door. Now we need a D- lineman, Pas pro-linebacker, corner, safety, QB, Two offensive lineman ,running back, WR. I think we have to many needs to be a good team next year, no matter how tightly we played games this year, we weren't good enough to win.

What i'm guessing is that a lot of you guys took your Queue from Flysinmo, Codizzle, Arnie, Moderator Three and others. I don't mind at all, because other than Fly and the Michael Oher debacle. They seem like they put a lot of thought in their post. However, they all missed on Flacco. If he is not willing to take a major pay cut, so the team can surround him with the talent that he needs to succeed, then "Flacco can kick rocks , its really that simple".

Unfortunately I do Grim. While Forsett is serviceable at the position he doesn't exactly dominate. He doesn't have dominating speed or overwhelming power. This makes him a serviceable guy. Although he does have good vision. Buck is still learning the game. He makes himself small while entering the holes but lacks raw power and speed to separate himself from the serviceable bunch. We need a game changing back that dominates, in one or two of the key areas.

Lmao and this is why the Flacco supporters stand on no legs!!!! Are you even serious? Wilson is way better than Flacco!

Where did they end their seasons? .......Okay...... Next!!!!!!!

Short answer: we will draft a QB because Joe didn't exactly pan out

Not even close to set.

We are set at DT I like our group of linebackers. Still need a few pieces. Our O-line needs a few pieces but is solid. Secondary needs a lot of work but they have potential. Tight ends are well above average. Needs: Running back, Qb, Hurst- taken off the O-line, A middle linebacker -to sit behind Smith, Outside linebacker -who can cover tight ends. Pass rushers- to learn from two of the best

You are one of those guys that don't count rushing touchdowns right? Like running the ball doesn't matter. If that is so, then we have nothing else to talk about. You have an old school mind in a new school game.

Honestly our current group of running backs is horrible. We don't have a Ray Rice or Jamal lewis on our roster. No one is explosive either!!! I honestly can't stand our RB position.

So who would you draft at 6? An offensive guy to give Flacco the help that he obviously needs. OR A defensive guy to disguise the help that our elite QB obviously needs. J/K No seriously, who would you draft at 6 and why?