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    1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

    It doesn't make much sense to me. 

    NO reportedly turned down the Titans middle 1st rounder. 

    Then BB calls and offers the 32nd pick and they accept??? Makes zero sense. 

    I could understand maybe if they really wanted another mid round pick but they gave up their 4th to get the 3rd. Moves them up maybe 15-20 spots but it's not an extra pick. 

    The Titans pick was a WAY better offer if that report was true. 

    The Saints may be interested in a  quarterback but don't want  real high pick in the first round. 

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    1 hour ago, Admin 3 said:

    BOARD CLOSURE DATE CHANGE

    Thank you to everyone who has shared feedback on this thread. We wanted to ensure we provided ample notice to the community of the shutdown and originally felt that 3+ weeks was suitable. Also, with the NFL calendar now spanning 12 months, we realize that there is no "best" time to sunset the boards. However, with the amount of chatter that occurs during the free agency period and draft, we understand that March 31 may not be the ideal time to close the discussion.

    With that in mind, we have decided to leave the message boards up and running through the draft. The new shutdown day will be Friday, May 5 -- one week following the NFL Draft. We realize that many will still be upset that the board is closing, but we hope this provides members an opportunity to continue the ongoing dialogue during this busy time of year.

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    12 minutes ago, The Raven said:

    It's what I do. 

    Wrong again. Those guys tend to be at the B gap more than the A. Do you watch the line when you watch?

    Are you really trying to tell me these guys don't go up against centers not even a little bit ? We talking about in a league  where  most  teams constantly try  to find mismatches and  etc  against opposing team so I doubt they don't.

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    37 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

    They should've asked him to take a pay cut and kept him as a back up imho. Cut Pitta! Why are they dancing around the Pitta situation? Asking him for a pay cut instead of designating him a post June 1st cut and getting rid of him?

    It's possible that they did but Webb was the 14th best safety last year so he has every right to want to be a starter which he most likely wouldn't be as a Raven. The Ravens could be giving him a chance to assess his market value and if  he doesn't get much interest then he could be re-signed on a more cheaper deal. 

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    25 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

    Whereas Zuttah allowed 3.5 sacks last season, let's also remember that as a center, he almost always has help from a guard.  Wagner as a RT will occasionally get help from a TE, but it's far more rare.

    In addition, this is pure numbers that can be researched, but Wagner was not pushed into the backfield even comparably as much as Zuttah.  Jeremy gave our QB little to no room to ever step up into the pocket.  Meanwhile Wagner consistently moved his man out of the play.

    And okay, you've called out my memory, so do you remember the last time a RT played as well as Wagner?  Everyone's making RT out to be some easy to replace position and I don't get it.  Especially this year.

    I  thought it was far more rare for a left tackle to get help from a tight end than a right tackle. I didn't started paying attention to The Raven until 2008 but I always been a fan so I can't really dig deep on who really is the best right tackle The Ravens have ever had...  I don't think it will be too hard for The Ravens to find quality starting right tackle. This team has a solid history with finding offensive linemen so I'm not really worried about them finding one.

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    1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

    Not to completely derail the thread, but since there are some Wagner vs. Williams debates... where is the assumption that it's super easy to find a RT coming from?  The fact that Wagner got as much money as he did should show that it's not that easy or there wouldn't have been tons of competition for his services.  There are needs at RT all over the league.

    I don't think any one is saying it's super easy (atleast i'm not)but it isn't super hard either. Ricky Wagner was the top free agent right tackle once free agency started. Not only was he the best available but the free agent market at right tackle isn't really all that great and the same can be said about this year draft. His agent had every opportunity to make him the highest paid right tackle in the league and Wagner is clearly better than  Lions former starting right tackle Riley Relief who was ranked 48 among right tackles.. Lions got the best right tackle available  but if this draft class was better  and there was more available  quality tackles in free agency then I don't think Wagner get's nearly as much as he did.

     

    18 minutes ago, The Raven said:

     

    Not only that, but how often do you see top pass rushers lined up on the center? Oh right, you don't.

    Doesn't really matter where they line  up because top  pass rushers like Gerald Mccoy , Nadaukong Suh, Fletcher Cox, Calaisis Campbell, and more go up against centers all the time

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    10 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

    I'm curious about your opinion on something.  When was the last time the Ravens had a truly good RT in your opinion? 

    Osemele was a great guard, and great run blocker.  But those 8 sacks allowed and 7 penalties his rookie year at Rt were pretty bad, but he was a rookie I guess..  Oher was as durable as they come, but his performance was always right up there with Osemele's rookie year or worse.  Both very good run blockers but just bad pass blockers.

    Meanwhile, Wagner has never allowed even 3 sacks in one season (which is amazing if you remember he allowed 2 in week 1 of 2014) and he's only exceed 3 total penalties 1 (he had 4 in 2015).  He's not a great run blocker, but again, this is a passing league and you need to protect your QB with good pass blockers first.

    I can't remember the last time we've had a RT perform at Wagner's level, let alone for as many years as Rick's done it in a row.  I can, however, remember the last time we've had a run stopping DT/NT do a good job of eating up blocks though

    If Wagner not allowing no more than 3 sacks matters than  all this talk about how Jeremy Zuttah is  a bad  fit for The Ravens need to stop because he allowed just as many sacks  if i'm not mistaken.  Just because you can't remember the last time we've had RT play as well as Wagner doesn't mean The Ravens won't be able to replace him. Brandon Williams had a down year but profootball focus had him ranked as the highest NT  in the league in 2015. If you want to read more than go here  link .

     

    26 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

    Yanda isn't going to be the best guard when he hits 34. Be realistic. Our players age to you know. Not only our rivals. Panic button wouldn't do any good. This is the off-season going to do in the regime.

    Well he's 32 right now so The Ravens have a year and  a  half before then .

     

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    11 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

    When has it ever done that? Letting a very good RT walk and arguably the best guard in the NFL is building their offense and helping Joe Flacco? How? Paying a run stuffing One dimensional NT  that leaves the game on throwing downs in a throwing league, is building the offense?

    i keep hearing this bs that Williams is an elite NT. How many teams use or even want a one dimensional NT? Even 3-4 teams like to front multi talented lineman across the board that are all stout and contribute to the rush. As opposed to a one dimensional NT and 2 ends. But prefer 3 stout penetrators if it can. So Williams is a top3 NT out of about 8 across NFL? Maybe the ravens will eventually join the rest of the league in the 21st century

    Technically Marshal Yanda is the best guard in the league and The Ravens made sure to keep him around. It's not hard to get a  good right tackle at all . I'm sorry but I'm not ready to push the panic button. 

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    5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

    Have to have an offense to let it go.

    Season hasn't started yet and it's still pretty early in free agency. The draft isn't even here  either so The Ravens have plenty of time to address their offense and build around Joe Flacco. 

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    Just now, Purple_City39 said:

    Not so sure about that.  Remember, Pierce was also in on passing downs while Williams was on the bench

    Is anybody more comfortable with Wesly/Nembot/Draft pick taking over the RT spot than they are with Pierce taking over the nose?

    My apologies if this seemed confusing but when I said "giving him the contract he received", I mean the 9M a year Wagner got from Detroit.  Giving a very good pass blocking RT 9M a year is a better investment, to me anyway, than giving a run stopping d-lineman 11M a year

    I have never seen Pierce make plays without Williams being on the field with him but I could be wrong .  I think if The Ravens felt like Pierce could replace what Brandon Williams brings to this team then Williams wouldn't have been re-signed and if The Ravens didn't think they had a good chance of replacing Wagner then they probably would have offered him more money . It's been proven before that you don't have to draft high or spend alot to get a good right tackle

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    1 hour ago, Edgar said:

    Wagner is viewed as a top flight tackle. Osemele a top flight guard,  etc.

    Curious investment to me. We can replace guys on the offensive line with rookies and unproven players apparently but break the bank on Williams ?

     

    I think K.O probably was viewed as a  top flight player more than Wagner . Both got overpaid for sure but I think Wagner in general just took advance of a  poor market at  the right tackle position along with this years draft not being great in that area either and cashed in. I think Wagner is good right tackle with the potentials to be better but I never viewed him as a elite right tackle.

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    37 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

    You're comparing them by pointing out Williams' strength and Wagner's weakness.  It works both ways:

    Wagner is on of the best right tackles at pass blocking, meanwhile Williams is in the bottom half of the league at rushing the passer.  The front office has also said they want to get after the QB more..

    Yes, the Ravens have replaced RTs relatively well but they've also done the same on the d-line.  Many thought the world was over when Ngata was traded.  Only difference to me is, we've seen Pierce play well  beside Williams.  We haven't seen anyone play well in place of Wagner (Yanda notwithstanding) and we'll be going with a relative unknown there.
     

    For the record, I like Williams.  But imo, if you're going to overpay for one of the two, you pick the one that not only caters to the type of league we're in (passing), but the one that better helps your high priced QB investment

     

    I fixed that for you.

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    13 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

    Damon Harrison is a notch above Brandon Williams. He logs more tackles and sacks. Harrison turned around a Giants defense and the team he left got much worse on defense. I am not so sure that would have been the same case with Williams. He would make most teams better on defense, but I don't think the Ravens would have fallen off that much without him. We were all dreading the day Ngata left and we found Williams to replace him.

    Ngata and Williams play totally two different position though. Even though  Haloti  Ngata played NT in 2013  The Raven had  a entire 2013 season to see Brandon Williams in practice  and get a feel on what type of player he could be . It obviously was enough because it eventually lead to Ngata returning back to playing as a  defensive end and Brandon Williams starting at NT. I said this before but what Williams brings to The Ravens is more than  a two down player but this guy brings leadership in the locker room and is the type of guy you want on your battle ship when things get rocky.  

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    23 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    I was initially rough on bringing Williams back because he faded down the stretch, but you have to consider also that the entire front seven faded with him. Coincidence? No, it's really not.

    I also want to see the Ravens put him in more situations to be a one gap player that can knife gaps. I think Williams has some underrated quickness and if he shed 10-15 pounds, he might be able to slice in there and generate some pressure from the interior.

    Maybe The Ravens new strength and conditioning coach will help .

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    32 minutes ago, The Raven said:

    Is it better to touch the QB or not touch the QB? You tell me. 

    And by the way, Brandon Williams isn't out there on passing downs when Jernigan is collapsing the pocket and getting to the QB unless e's doubled.

    Is it better to get destroyed against the run or not get destroyed the against one? I think Ravens fans forget how The Ravens 2012 season went when they didn't have a good NT.  Good to great NT get doubled team all the time and I have seen Williams consistently wear out centers and guards so by the time obvious passing downs gets here Jernigan should have it easy but yet he's still inconsistent. I have no issue with the guy and he's a good player but that doesn't change that he's inconsistent. 

     

     

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