jazz1988

1 hour ago, Purple&Black#20 said:

If Webb was the 15 ranked safety out of 64 then you would think teams would of been happy of his release. Jumped all over him but they didn't.  Did he do his job...yes!!! He didn't let the ball go over his ( kept everything in front) head. He's 12 - 15 yards off the ball. If he's so great, left as a starter and come back as a back up! Okay,  will Webb make a impact on special? He is to injury prone. I'm done and hope I'm wrong!

Ladarius Webb is 31 years old and this year draft is consider deep in secondary talent.No team is going to rush to sign him at the moment and probably want to wait until after the draft so they can get him cheaper. Corey Graham is the same age as Webb and to my understanding he played quite well at the safety position and he's still a free agent. Other guys like Jonathan Hankins,Perry Riley, Gerald Hodges,Jared Odrick,Erik Walden,  and are good player that are still free agents.

I know the sacks and tackles are correct but according to sportingcharts.com Brent Urban had 2 sacks and 3 quarterback hurries last year. He only  had 150 defensive snaps on defense according footballoutsiders.com. The Ravens were very high on when they drafted him in 2014 and I think they said he had first round talent but it maybe reasonable to think with more snaps he could replace Timmy Jernigan production.

On 4/4/2017 at 8:09 AM, Archeearl92 said:

Jets take another hit

Even though I didn't get a left tackle i'm proud of what I have done so far. I got  CB Fabian Moreau in the 2nd round, OG/C Pat Eflien in the 3rd round, DT Elijah Qualls & WR Amara Darboah in the 4th found, G Danny Isidora in the fifth round, and  WR Robert Davis in the 6th round. If there was anything I wanted to do in this draft it would be improving my offensive line and I feel like I did a good job  accomplishing that so far..

For years Ravens fans been wanting Ozzie to be more aggressive or even try to trade players while their value is hot or some what  hot and when he finally does it's a problem.

38 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

 

We've had a much higher percentage of players perform well on their contract year of their rookie deals than those that haven't. 

Off the top of my head: Ellerbe, Kruger, McPhee, A.Jones, Osemele, T.Smith  earned themselves big contracts elsewhere. 

One of the only guys to play significant time then leave following their rookie contract and not get paid is Upshaw. 

Just because he's been traded today doesn't mean I'm changing my tune. I felt Jernigan was going to take yet another step forward this year get about 8+ sacks this year. 

Now everyone like he faded at the end of last year, the entire defense faded at the end of last year. 

The Raven are in a win now mode and already invested heavily into their defensive line. When Ellerbe, Kruger, Mcphee, Jones, Osemele  and  T Smith were free agent The Ravens weren't in the situation they are  in now.   If they felt like Timmy Jernigan was going to take the next step then he wouldn't have been traded and if they didn't feel like they had in house candidates to replace his production  then he wouldn't have been traded.If Jernigan fading at   the end of the last year was just a  one time thing then I  would question the move more  but it wasn't because he did the same thing in 2015. His snaps decreased last year as the season went on but his effectiveness continue to  be inconsistent.  I know he's in a contract year  and that may give him extra motivation but his extra motivation should  have  been last year as well because he knew Brandon Williams was going to be a free agent and he could have made a strong case to The Ravens to give him extension instead of Williams. The Ravens pass rush sucked later on in the season and losing Jimmy Smith in games they needed him most didn't help either but Suggs was playing with one arm, Matt Judon was a rookie, Doom was coming off acl tear, and  Timmy Jerigan was a player that saw his snaps reduced and still was ineffective.

15 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

I don't want to hear anyone mention Jernigan as inconsistent and then try to say Carl Davis can replace him. It's just stupid. Davis is worse than Jernigan at disappearing. He managed to do it for the whole year outside of the preseason and a game or two early.

I don't think anyone saying he can replace Jernigan but it obvious the guy can be pretty good player if he's more consistent .  Jernigan or no Jernigan The Ravens need to find the next Terrell Suggs in this draft.

26 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

You are playing the what if game with Jernigan. 

Theres also no guaruntee that moving up 25 spots will get us a great, good or even average player. They could be a complete bust. You also have no clue what other teams will draft like. We could move up 25 spots to see all of the guys at our positions of need taken before that pick. 

Jernigan basically disappeared  later on in the season  last year. This is not something  new with him even though he had 5 sack last year which was a season best for him. What I find interesting is that even with his snap count being reduced later on in the season  his production didn't go up  or should I say it  didn't help him be more effective. Just like there isn't any guarantees that The Raven won't be able to get a great, good or even average player after moving 25 spots in the third there isn't any guarantee that Jernigan would be more consistent and actually make plays when needed.The guy came into training camp in great shape and still wasn't consistent last year . 

2 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

We have an old Suggs, Judon, and Willie Henry as our best pass rushers. And it isn't like we don't have holes on O-line, at WR, and ILB. I hate to say it but the way things look right now, we could have a lot of new faces next year.

We are pretty much hoping Kaufusi and Henry can be starters right now

 Can't forget about their third round pick Carl Davis 

21 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I don't like it for the shear fact that he was pretty much the only semblance of interior pass rush we had, even though the back half of his season was pretty atrocious.  With that being said, there seem to be quite a few allusions to it being more than an on the field decision.  Apparently he didn't take it too well when his playing time was reduced late in the season.  Coming from a strictly on field perspective, I don't like it.  If it's deeper than that, I guess you could say I'm okay with it.

I  don't get why he was so upset with his snap count because the  less amount snaps he got was around 20+snaps and that was against The Cowboy which mostly due to the  team  keeping him fresh since he  was labeled as  being questionable with shoulder injury before the game.  He was getting like 40 snaps early in the season and his snap count later on drop to like 30+ snaps but I would think with less snaps he would be more consistent which he wasn't., I know his snap count dropped but it wasn't that big of  a drop to be mad in my opinion but he obviously didn't prove to the coaching staff  why he should get more snaps.

4 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

this is baffling to me because since the 99th pick ( osemele comp pick)  is apart of the trade, doesn't feel like they got much. 

 

Jernigan could have played out the season earned a big contract and got us another future 3rd round comp pick. 

Should be interesting to have two early 3rd rounders. 

Or he could have played like he did last year and just netted them fourth or fifth round comp pick. I like the move and Ravens moved up from  99th overall pick in the draft to having 75th overall pick in the draft which is win especially in deep defensive draft.

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Given it was a swap and not a straight up deal for their 74, I think it's pathetic as well. I would have rather had Timmy's production this year and then waited till 2019 for a nice comp pick...

Ravens moved up 25 spots in the third round . I think that's a win for them and that obviously feel comfortable with the talent they have at the defensive line.

On 4/2/2017 at 3:23 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

The Westbrook hate is inept. It was a small incident and was over in a hot minute. Senseless to write off every player ever accused for anything. Interview the guy and get your take on his personality. I like Stewart the best to. But Westbrook is really good. If he is there in round 3 at our comp pick. Oz should consider him. If we haven't already drafted Stewart or JuJu. However you are right about Stewart. Wow!!

He got arrested twice for domestic violence but both those charges got dropped due to the mother of his child not showing up in court and etc. I seen on rotoworld.com that Westbrook  didn't do too well in his interview with NFL  teams at the combine  which came off as awry  and him seeming to be untruthful. If this is  true then yeah he's not going to get drafted in third round and he definitely isn't get drafted by The Ravens especially he came off awry and untruthful to them.

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Boldin picked it up when new coordinator came in. And for all the talk about more productive WRs. Boldin was the only WR that was money in playoffs.

I'm not denying that Cam Cameron wasn't a problem  and Boldin was money for The Ravens but he was able to play with speedy receiver to take the pressure off of him unlike Derrick Mason. Boldin also was able to  go  to the playoffs consistently out of the three years he has been with The Ravens unlike Steve Smith Sr.Even though I feel like Derrick Mason and Steve Smith Sr were better receivers than Anquan Boldin it's no denying that Boldin just was more fortunate and came in at the right time.

2 hours ago, -Truth- said:

@jazz1988 is OTC.

Thanks and done

On 3/30/2017 at 11:18 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

idk... hes an exciting player but idk that i trust us to get the most out of him. If you can manufacture touches in space for him, he can certainly be dangerous for you -- a la Percy Harvin or Patterson. Screens, (jet) sweeps, quick slants and things like that.... but i feel like we've always been bad at executing those types of plays.

Hes a player you have to have a role for, you're going to have to build a package for him and make sure he gets those 5-10 manufactured touches a game... especially if you take him that high, because i dont know how much he's going to create for himself within the context of your offense.

You're not going to line him up as a RB more than a handful of plays. Hes more of a WR than RB, but i dont see a very good route runner or hands. 

Kind of a gadget guy that can help on returns and produce some big plays on ST and in your offense-- but its something you have to have a vision for in advance, and commit to using for that investment to pay off. I just dont trust our coaching staff or offensive design to get a return on that investment.

 

But, if we did he could certainly be an exciting player. just would prefer taking that sort of chance later on in the draft with the more conventional playmakers that should be available in the 2nd.

  Percy Harvin  wasn't able to stay healthy for most of the season in 2014 but I'm not  entire sure if Marty M would be totally lost or incapable of using a guy like  Curtis Samuiel  since  Harvin played in his offense as a New York Jet . From  the highlights I seen from Harvin in 2014 it seem like he was being used in many creative ways to his strength in Marty M offense.

On 3/29/2017 at 8:26 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

2nd round or pick or better. Otherwise the trade doesn't really benefit us that much.

I doubt any team is going to be willing to give up  a 2nd for him so a third or fourth is only as much I can see  The Ravens getting. A third would be good for The Ravens but a  high fourth round wouldn't be bad either.  I can't pretend like The Ravens haven't had any success with lower round picks from Jarret Johnson,Dennis Pitta,Jason Brown,Leron McClain,Ovie Mughelli,Ed Hartwell, ,Edwin Mulatio, and Kyle Hugecheck (lol)  whom all have been fourth round picks.  Even right now The Ravens have fourth rounders such  as  Tavon Young , Alex Lewis, Chris Moore, Matt Judon, Kenneth Dixon. Brent Urban, Lorenzo Taliferro ,Zadarius Smith,  and Buck Allen who we all saw become  solid contributors for the team last year or are expected to be contributors for the team at some capacity.

If Timmy Jernigan was traded today for a high fourth round pick then I can't say it doesn't benefit The Ravens given their success with finding starters that were fourth round picks in past. Who to say they won't be able to find a starting right tackle or guard with the  fourth pick they  get from trading Jernigan or maybe even defensive tackle/end.

34 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

I've said this same thing before.  The 2013 plan, similar to 2017 actually, was to have your two speed guys on the outside (Torrey and Jacoby) and have your chain mover in the slot.  Pitta was set to pick up that slack for Anquan with Rice still doing his thing with checkdowns.  Realistically, that wasn't a bad set up.  They also hoped backups like Deonte Thompson and Tandon Doss would take their play to the next level.

Then Pitta dislocated his hip in camp, Jacoby went down in week 1, Thompson had either an illness or a foot injury (I forget) Rice regressed, and Doss never stepped up.  End result, Ravens fans blaming everything on trading Boldin and ignoring the many factors that actually happened.

Also, SSS was a far better WR for the Ravens than Boldin and would have likely never came in 2014 if Anquan wasn't traded (and all those issues happening) in 2013.

I think also if the run game was good that year it would have helped out Thompson and Doss.

13 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Well we shouldn't have even let him go in the first place. Stupid decision by the front office. If I was Anquan I would say bye Felicia to the Ravens and sign with the Titans. 

Boldin production for most part was pretty average for a guy that was suppose to be The Ravens number one  receiver and even though he was more skilled as a receiver Torrey Smith was the one defenders were afraid of the most.  Boldin did his thing in the playoffs and the  super bowl but letting him go wouldn't have look as dumb as some Ravens seem to  believe if Tandon Doss stepped up and  if Dennis Pitta hip never got injured in training camp. I don't think The Ravens miss Boldin nearly as much if those two things happen especially with the situation with Pitta but Boldin still got replaced any way when The Ravens signed Steve Smith Sr.

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I like it. Dont see him at C, but i dont think they want to pigeon hole themselves into having to find a C and RT. They just want to find the best possible OL and then fit them in the best way.

So if a stud G falls to us in the draft, you dont want to not pick him bc youre stuck on Lewis playing LG. If hes an improvement over Lewis, and Lewis is an improvement at RT over anyone else on the roster then we absolutely should do that.

Get talented OL here. Thats all that matters. Then figure out what combo gives us our best 5.

 

Shoot -- if it means Yanda kicking out to RT id be ok with that so long as him doing so give us a much stronger OL unit.

I wouldn't be surprise to see The Ravens draft a RT and a guard but I honestly like to see Lewis at right tackle than left guard.

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

First inclination that Lewis might not actually stay at LG today.  Harbaugh said they'd like to keep him at LG but he's a wildcard who could end up competing at RT or C as well.

Makes sense but interesting that he said center as well. 

Not a  bad draft even though I think T.J Watt is a reach .  I like Desmond King but I like him as safety/nickel corner. He can get it done as a outside corner but I  like to see The Ravens get a corner that's similar to Jimmy Smith. 

10 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Don't like the lack of WR early, at this rate we'll be going into the season with the a bottom 5 WR core. I think we go with Williams, Davis, or Ross in the 1st.

 The Bears, Titans and  Bills all need help at receiver . The Cardinals and  Bengels may decide to draft a receiver as well. There really no sure thing that either of the three receivers fall down to The Ravens  picks  especially Corey Davis.

Sorry for the wait I didn't even know I was up until I checked and I had to double check because at  first I was confused lol .