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1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yet Perriman costed a round1. And all the players that costed us a round2? Brown Jernigan max Correa. Would you prefer any of these dudes over Marqise Lee and Sammy Watkins??

Perriman is a first round talent  and his upside is  better than any of the top 3 receivers  that was drafted in this year draft. If you disagree that he was first round worthy then cool..I like Sammy Watkins but  with all the injuries The Ravens have had over the years why would I as Raven fan be high on Sammy Watkins ? The guy is a  playmaker but The Bills don't even think he's worth a 5th year option. Even if he was on this team instead of Perriman the wide receiver concerns would remain and same can be said about Marqise Lee.

Watkins hasn't been able to stay healthy  and his foot injury is major concern and Lee has had one productive  healthy season. I'm only going off upside by  saying yes to your question. 

2 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

If you have 50000 registered users and only 200 are posting I would say you would have to look what is not causing people to post as they had some desire t post when they first created their accounts.  It is easy to say people are not posting as much in forums in general but reddit's forums seem very busy.  

I agree .

6 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Expecting something for nothing is a reason the ravens don't have any playmakers

I just think it's super risky to give up 3rd round pick for a receiver that had one good healthy season. I definitely wouldn't give up  a second round for Lee at all.

21 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

I don't think that has anything to do with Forum participation.  The Orioles had 14 straight losing seasons and during that time Orioles message boards were very busy. I think it actually promotes posting when a team is doing poorly because everyone has suggestions on how to fix it.  When a team is winning and most of the players are playing well what is there to discuss?

Could be wrong but I  think a message board can be  busy with only 200 out of  50,000 registered fans. If so is the board really serving it's purpose if only 200 fans are actually involved with it out of  thousands?

15 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Very tough to say. A player that definitely showed well even with bad QB play and a terrible offensive line that limited routes. He could maybe  cost as much as Sammy Watkins. Would be ideal to get him for a round3 but could cost as much as a round2 pick. He showed very well especially considering the offensive line and QB. 

I wouldn't go no higher than a 4th  round pick for Lee. He may have dealt with injuries like Sammy Watkins but I think Watkins showed more on the field and was 4th overall pick in the first round.

This is pretty dope. Congrads to Jameel McClain

So overall not many fans really are active on the board for the past two years and the purpose of the board in the first place was so  Raven fans or football fans in general  could  register and come together to discuss  about topics sport related rather it's about The Ravens, other football teams, the draft, fantasy football and etc. if there's 70,000 people register on this site and only 100 or so people are  actually active on the board then that's sad. Not only is it showing very few actually value the board but  money is involved towards  the maintenance of the board and more for the fans that actually post and etc.Even though money isn't the issue and isn't the reason why the board is closing down it's probably most likely looked upon as a waste of money since very few fans actually seem to value it and no business wants to waste money especially if they don't have to.

Ok so today's the last day of the boards. I really enjoyed the many conversations /discussions   with other Raven fans on this site concerning The Ravens or just overall football related topics.. There's no one on here that I think   contributed on this board  in a way that didn't make it fun  even  the ones that tend to be  jerks at times for no reason(just being honest). I  encourage everyone to cherish  every moment we had on this board but also I encourage  you all to  keep on striving in life because  it's bigger than this board or this site in general. Some of you probably gain alot  of football related knowledge from this board and some of you may have gain new friends or developed a strong friendship that won't stop even when this board ends on Friday. I think that's a beautiful and wonderful thing because at end of the day we all gain something  so when this board ends we all still have something.Everything comes to a end and nothing  last forever but anyway  adios everyone and I hope you all have great day today and  a awesome year. 

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

To get somewhat back on topic, it's been real guys.  My time on message boards is likely coming to an end this Friday, as I don't immediately plan to join any other site.  I think that time has come to focus more on real life, despite how much I've enjoyed talking football with many of you.  I figured I'd say my "goodbyes" now before Friday so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.  I'll still be around over the next couple of days so feel free to reach out.  A few of you have my personal contact information, and I'd be more than happy to share it with a few others that have meant a great deal over these last 6 years if you'd like to keep in contact.  If one of these new homes starts to develop a following, I may consider a return to the message board world.

I can honestly say I wouldn't know the game of football as well as I do without a large majority of you.  I have always considered myself more knowledgeable than the average football fan that calls into 105.7, but learning from a lot of you really made me realize just how complex this game is.  Learning how to evaluate prospects, read coverages, etc. wouldn't have happened without the insane amount of knowledge that can be found around here (some more than others, obviously).  I sincerely thank you guys as it has really strengthened my love for the game, despite never playing it other than backyard games in the neighborhood.

It's been real, ya'll.  Go Ravens!

 I'm gonna miss The rmw10 . This  is so beautiful .

3 hours ago, Maryland said:

Watch Lee play: he's a body-catcher. He's not what this team needs. 

 If he caught 60% percent of his passes and had only 3 drops base off just body catching then i'll take it.. I seen the  same thing said  about John Ross  and I still would have wanted him to be selected by The Ravens in this year draft. It's reasonable for others to want a receiver similar to Anquan Boldin  but I honestly think  The Raven have too much talented at the tight end position to not use them as the  dependable pass catcher when needed especially with the two tight end sets in the passing game that Gary Kubiak and Cam Cameron was using when they were apart of The Ravens coaching staff.

40 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They're more likely to trade Hurns than Lee.

But I think Allen Hurns cap hit is like 7 million if they do. I don't know The Jags cap situation at this moment  so not sure if they have enough cap space to trade or even cut Allen Hurns.

20 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

no way the titans get rid of tajae sharpe, jordan matthews isn't coming to baltimore, why would we want quinton patton or rashad greene or justin hardy?

which leaves marquise lee who isnt really an upgrade on anything we have on our offense - and im not sure why the jags would want to get rid of a receiver who finally broke out last year - they have allen robinson and hurns, westbrook is a wild card and there are no guarantees he's a good player but it took the falcons more than 3 receivers last year to be a successful offense why would the jags wilfully get rid of marquise lee?

I just it's think it's possible depending on how well Sharpe  preforms in training camp and his chance of getting more playing time this season may have went down with The Titans drafting Corey Davis and Taywan Taylor. The Titans were willing to trade their second round pick Dorial Green Beckham after he had 549 receiving yards and 4 touch downs in his rookie season.Sharpe could end up having the same fate  but of course may no happen so it's may be more wishful thinking on my part. Quinton Patton was drafted by The 49ers back when Greg Roman was the offensive coordinator so he knows Patton more than anyone on The Ravens coaching staff  and he someone I liked during the 2013 draft.

Rashad Greene is another receiver  I liked coming out of college and he has punt return experience  but missed most of  2016 season due to a season ending  injury. Before Marqise Lee jump on the scene and was  productive it was reported that Greene was the front runner to beat him out for number 3 spot. Justin Hardy hasn't been highly productive for  The Falcons but he has made plays . With The New Falcon offensive coordinator and the fact that The Falcons kept  Taylor Gabriel and signed veteran receiver Andre Roberts it's possible The Falcons would be ok with trading him especialy if the plan  is to re-signed Gabriel. I believe someone already touched on Marqise Lee situations so I don't need to say anything further about that.

Receivers I think The Ravens can target in a trade is Marqise Lee, Jordan Matthews,Tajae Sharpe,Quinton Patton,Rashad Greene,  and Justin Hardy,

14 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Just popping in to say there's not really a correlation between passing scheme and blocking scheme in terms of man vs zone. Coryell can work with zone as it did with Cam in 2011 (when we actually started the wide zone) and west coast can work with power as seen by the Jim Harbaugh era 49ers and the Patriots. The difference between Coryell and west coast is more so with the splits and footwork. You'll see deeper, vertical sets with longer/larger linemen in the coryell and you'll see more horizontal, aggressive, short sets with more mobile/compact linemen in the west coast.

Also don't waste your time with Jazz. Rarely knows anything at all.

Stay classy The Raven lol. Be humble  in the words of Kendrick Lamar.

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

last year he attempted 118 more passes and completed 92 more passes then he did under kubiak.
he attempted 141 more passes and completed 119 more passes then he did in 2012.
attempted 183 more passes and completed 130 more passes then he did 2010.

 

 

You just compared three seasons of when The Ravens run game was good to one season where the run game wasn't good. Look at 2013 season where Flacco passed the ball  618 times  and if you consider the offensive line and more for Joe Flacco woes then I don't understand why consistent offensive coordinator changes and the fact that two coaches had to get on board  run  a offensive system that wasn't their own and more isn't even being consider as  one legit reasons why the offense has been poor for the past two years..Are you really blaming The Ravens playoff woes because they changed  their offensive scheme to  a west coast offense? I have to totally disagree with that if you do because there's alot of stuff that has occurred in the past two years for the reason why The Ravens have missed the playoffs and I don't think the  west coast offense has been the main culprit of that . Even with Gary Kubiak The Ravens almost nearly missed the playoffs if they had not won against The Browns and The Chiefs had not won against The Chargers. Actually Juan Castillo wasn't the first offensive line coach with a west coast offense back ground because former Ravens offensive line coach John Matsko beats him out in that department. Matsko was apart of The Ravens coaching staff back when Brian Billick was The Raven head coach. I will admit that Matsko does have  experience in the corydell and west coast offense  but even Andy Moeller had a west coast offense background especially back in the day under Terry Malone when he was apart of  Michigan coaching staff.

I'm not entirely sure if it really matters  if a offensive line coach has  a west coast or corydell background because  there isn't a real  specific blocking scheme for either one. The corydell offense probably emphasis more on the offensive line to be skilled in pass protection though especially since the quarterback would be throwing it deep more times than not. 

On 5/2/2017 at 0:06 AM, Maryland said:

Lee provides nothing that Chris Moore doesn't already provide: quickness and terrible hands.

And I think the only WR the Eagles would be willing to trade is Agholor. They probably see themselves as competing for the postseason this year, so I don't see why they'd part with their 2nd best receiver in Jordan Matthews, especially when he's on a cheap rookie deal.

Marqise Lee caught 60  percent of his passes  and had 800 receiving yards with 3 touchdowns.  According to .sportingcharts.com he only had 3 drop passes and his route running at this moment probably far exceeds Chris Moore. Lee also could help with giving The Ravens some depth at kick/punt returner if not start . This is  Jordan Matthews contract year and if Nelson Agholor or Dorial Green Beckham start to show signs of improvement and actually look good in training camp then Matthews could  be the odd man out because those guys bring more to the table and have more upside than Matthews.  The Eagles also drafted two receivers in this years draft with one in the fourth and the other in the fifth but of course it's still possible Agholor and Beckham could be the ones that are cut or traded instead.

9 hours ago, Tru11 said:

flacco best seasons came when he was pushing the ball downfield.

just look at adjusted yards gained per pass attempt and yards gained per completion for every season and compare them to how he did the past 2 seasons in the traditional west coast. ( kubiak runs his own version)

i urge you to pay a lot of attention to that 10.8 yards gained per pass attempt in the 2012 play offs.

its a highly ridiculous number tbh.

there is no way you get that by throwing short passes.

 

 

 

 

 

Marty M runs his own version of the west coast offense as well  and it's not your typical traditional west coast offense.Joe Flacco had one of his best seasons under Gary Kubiak and his  adjusted yards gained per pass  attempt that year was 7.2 yards.  and his yards per gain per completion was 11.6 yards. Last year Joe Flacco adjusted yards  per pas attempt was 1.0  yard less and his yards per gain per completion was 1.7 yard less than what  he  had in 2014.I think you have take in consideration that Marc Trestman was bought in here from  day one to   run Gary Kubiak offense who has never been apart of  Kubiak's  coaching staff or run anything similar . Not only that but even Ravens  current offensive coordinator Marty M  who was The Ravens primary quarterback coach back then had to adjust to a offensive system that was  not his own  along with adjusting  to Marc Trestman who he has never worked with before in his career. So imagine how that's like when both these guys are in Joe Flacco ear after losing  o Gary  Kubiak and Rick Dennison in short amount of time. The Ravens offense had no structure or direction for the past two years and if Kubiak taught The Ravens anything it's that you can't build a good offense with out  a coaching staff/position  coaches that aren't familiar with the system or fit the philosophy of the offense or defensive system.

The Ravens offense in 2014 would not have went so smoothly if Kubiak wasn't allowed to bring in his own guys. Joe Flacco playoff run was quite amazing and it may be the best performance he will ever have but that doesn't mean shorter passes weren't thrown either. One of the main reasons why The Ravens offense exploded in 2012 under Jim Caldwell was because he bought balance to the offense and called plays normally Cam Cameron wouldn't do on a consistent basis. For the past two years I don't think The Ravens running game has been preforming well so if the running game isn't efficient or atleast a concern towards opposing defenses then how is Flacco going to be able to throw it deep ? Everyone knows he has  a big arm so  a safety can stay in deep coverage all day because Flacco big arm is not a  secret especially with no rushing attack to be concerned about. I think The Ravens 2013 season can speak volumes of that  as well and The Ravens were running a  air corydell offense back then .

6 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

nothing crazy about this at all.

Flacco fits the coryell offense more then the west coast and the players we have at the moment fit that offense more.

norv turner is teamless i think 

 One of Joe Flacco's best seasons  was in a west coast offense and the other one was under the tutelage of a   quarterback coach with a west coast offense  background by name of Jim Zorn. Even during Joe Flacco excellent performance in 2012 playoff and super bowl  one of the reasons why the offense played so well was not only because it seem like Jim Caldwell  gave Joe Flacco more freedom to what he please but receivers were running more shorter routes and etc that may be considered west coast offense related.  I think alot of people think since Joe Flacco has a  big arm it just automatically mean he's more of a better fit for Corydell offense but I don't think that's the case at all.  Of course  he's not a  dink and dunk type of guy but I don't think at all he can't be successful in a west coast offense especially in Mary M type of west coast offense.

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It's crazy, we had west coast receivers with cam and ran a coryell, we have coryell receivers now and run a west coast. 

 Marty M doesn't run a  traditional west coast offense though. His west coast offense is more like vertical west offense than anything but it still isn't anything like Cam Cameron. 

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

jalen robinette?

Yes Jalen Robinette.

2 hours ago, Grapple Raven said:

I don't know how much he could add to the offense, but Keenan Reynolds might not be available according to this article. The policy Keenan was under was rescinded yesterday and Keenan couldn't be reached for comment as to how this order will affect his military status.

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Department of Defense rescinds 2016 policy that helped military academy athletes defer duty to go pro http://dlvr.it/P2Tb9v 

I seen that it won't affect Keenan Reynolds but it will for other that recently enter the draft but i'm not entirely sure if it's true.

Ozzie probably saw this thread title and was like

On 4/30/2017 at 3:11 PM, trevorsteadman said:

And with their 6th round pick in the NFL draft, the Baltimore Ravens select... Keeping their forums open.

lol good one.

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Did Joe Mathis sign anywhere?🤔

Went to The Texans

13 hours ago, reed20 said:

Nothing wrong with signing a veteran receiver that we won a superbowl with and that is probably going to canton.

I  like Boldin and always will but I think The Ravens should try to explore other options before even considering him.  I would like to see The Ravens try to explore trade options for players like Jordan Matthews or Marqise Lee. I also wouldn't mind seeing The Ravens express interest in Micheal Floyd who could bring more to the offense than Boldin.