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2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he has produced though.

Maybe I'm missing something. Tell me what I'm missing because through 5 games he only has 10 catches for 124 yards. Not once has he been open all season. I'm willing to give him a pass because he missed training camp and Trestman wasn't using him the way he should be used. But he really hasn't given Joe a reason to trust him. Neither has Moore, but he has been open more than Perriman has.

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

2. He had a great catch against Norman in tight coverage on the play Norman got hurt. That's a catch a #1 WR makes.

 

Moore is a tad more polished but Perriman's natural ability is off the charts and he's showcased better hands in my opinion. Perriman ran a pretty good route during of his receptions week 2. Without a training camp and much practice, he's actually doing better than I anticipated. In his case I honestly think he's going to have a game/moment where the stars align and we see the beast he potentially could be. He's got all the tools a #1 should have, strong hands when he's concentrating, blazing speed, great body control, big frame. He can make the tough catches. 

 

I'm growing to like Moore as well, but I think Breshad has got a higher ceiling. 

I think Moore is just as naturally gifted as Brashad honestly. Like I said before, he's a burner like Perriman. He's already better than Perriman at route running. To me the only thing Brashad has on Moore is his height and his body control. I must admit I forgot about his catch against Norman across the middle though. That was a nice ajustment to the ball.

16 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

While it may not have gone down in the books as a catch, the almost catch against Norman isn't one any other Ravens receiver makes. 

Insane catch against Gilmore.

I don't have all of his plays, but he's made some very good outside the frame catches. He just seems to lose concentration on the easy ones.

He's had a lot of wow plays that I think very few Ravens receivers make.

And as far as getting hit in the numbers as he is catching the ball, that's not an uncommon drop...

He's going to be a good player don't get me wrong, but Moore is a burner too. Along with his already impressive route running I just think his ceiling is higher. How tall is Moore?

20 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

his body control isnt even close. ill agree on getting open, but its also hard to tell when perriman was only targeted deep 4 times, twice against haden and twice against norman, and got open on one and timed his hands wrong and on the other he made an absolutely spectacular catch in tight coverage but was 1 inch out of bounds. and being essentially a rookie who hasnt had an offseason yet and had his first real practice in week 4 of the preseason, a lot is going against him. moore at least got a full offseason program with the ravens, perriman hasnt had that yet. 

you can say one player is more refined and all that, but you cant just discount natural ability, perriman has tools that moore doesnt have and he has been very close to executing some really spectacular plays with those tools. their failure rates have been just about even, so its not really fair to say moore is better when perriman has flashed some really great potential. if perriman gets those little pieces of timing down and gets that inch or two of extension or foot placement then this conversation isnt even happening and everyone is on the BP bandwagon. 

i sort of understand why people may think moore has looked better, but a little more context is deserved. moore did very little in his active snaps and perriman has not only produced more but he has flashed much more while just slightly failing to execute.

I don't think Perriman has produced at all man. I'm not saying he is going to be a bust, I think he will be very good. But if you can't get open or catch the ball, thats a problem. At least with moore I've seen him run in and outs. I've seen him get open deep. Can't say the same for Perriman.

15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think with Perriman, he'll turn out to be better than Moore. Coming out, we knew Moore was a pretty underrated route runner who would know how to get open deep, but I haven't really seen great ball tracking skills or the great body control that a few posters above said.

With Perriman, I think we have seen pretty damn good body control (I chalk the foot up to awareness and needing to knock rust off) and the propensity to make insane catches. Moore is out there dropping catches and not really making those wow catches. Perriman is making the crazy catches and showing some great potential.

I think once Perriman gets down the smaller details, like route running, he'll be an excellent receiver.

Perriman has only made 1 great catch all season. It all the other catches he made he really struggles to hold on to them. Here's what I see from Perriman. He has a better chance of catching a wild throw that he has to stretch our for and risk a big hit, than he does if you hit him right in the numbers. It sounds crazy I know, but it doesn't seem like catching comes naturally to him.

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

not challenging your opinion here.. just wondering what makes you think that?

He's already a better route runner. He had no problem getting open, it's just catching the ball. He doesn't seem like the type who gets scared of the moment, so he will only get better. Perriman seems a little timid to me, but thats just my opinion.

28 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

I agree. Harbs gets players to play well but at the end of the day the players are the ones playing.  And at skill positions, we lack playmakers across the board. 

I still believe Chris Moore will be better than Perriman in the future. But yea, Trestman was horrible. Hopefully now  we give our receivers a chance to actually make play's. No more of this 5 yard bs, we have speedsters now lets use them.

13 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

I agree. Harbs gets players to play well but at the end of the day the players are the ones playing.  And at skill positions, we lack playmakers across the board. 

We do lack playmakers, but mainly on offense. This season the defense is keeping us in games by making plays. Mainly the young players, Young, Mosley, Jernigan, Weddle are all making plays this season bro. But it's the offense who is killing the team. So I can only agree with you half way. 

Part of the reason I think for the drop off is because back during the Billick era, Ozzie was THE man in charge of drafting. DeCosta was still learning from him so he wasn't really in charge of anything involving the draft. Also knock Billick if you want, but he had a keen eye for talent in the draft. Thats why we were one of the best with mid round draft picks. Harbaugh specializes with getting the best out of the talent he's given, not necessarily picking the best talent. And I think I read somewhere that DeCosta is now mainly in charge with prospect evaluation. And lets face it, he ain't Ozzie lol.

Look to see more of Levine at LB with Mosley out. Should help with pass coverage, but now im worried about our run D. Mosley is a beast against the run and McClellan sucks, so that will be missed. Also looking forward to seeing Judon back into the rotation. What's the status on Shareece Wrong? I think we would be better off with Tavon Young starting for now on. 

Lol the hostility in this thread is pretty funny.

I honestly don't see a way for us to win this game. Their d-line is going to eat our o-line alive. Damon Harrison is just as good if not better than B-Will at destroying the run. Vernon and JPP will make our tackles look like revolving doors. I think this game will be a nightmare to watch. Low scoring game, but I don't see us scoring more than 15 points unfortunately.

Some fans just have absolutely no knowledge of Football. Let's bench Jimmy because apparently we have a Richard Sherman clone on the bench. That's the most logical think to do according to some fans. Lol unbelievable.

11 minutes ago, TheRavenouseD2008 said:

no this means medic units will have less work on 3rd and 2 ........ or in the 4th quarter .... and less tvs will need to be replaced.....

Lol I have always said that the Ravens do more damage to their fans due to high stress levels, than they do to the opponents. Hopefully that changes now.

Just now, PuRock said:

There were too many of these this season.  Not even an ounce of guessing is needed by the defense when Joe is in shotgun in an empty backfield.  At least present the notion you might run, maybe even QB sneak.  Who knows?  Try and figure it out.  But Trestman thought it would be best to let the defense know our plans.      

It's been outrageous. Marty better learn from Trestmans mistakes real soon. 

So does that mean no more empty backfields on 3rd and 2?

Just now, jimmypowder said:

Bye bye Trestman . A good chance he gets canned tomorrow. 60-40 for a firing . 

If you wanna try to salvage this season , we need a new play caller that is not a dink and dunk artist . 

The biggest complaint Bears fans had was in 3 and 8 , receivers would run 5 yard patterns or he would have a designed 3 yard throw to a running back , praying he would get 5 yards on his own . 

 

 

Harbaugh is too loyal to his bum coaching staff. Its been a problem throughout his entire tenure. I highly doubt he will fire anybody this season, and the team will suffer for it. 

1 minute ago, Static said:

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011102400/2011/REG7/ravens@jaguars#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A09000d5d8237a5be&tab=recap

Never said Cam was good, but he was better than Tresman. You can't disagree with that.

I may get negged a lot for this but im just going to say it. 

I can honestly say I would rather have Cam as our OC instead of Tresman. Yea Cam was Bad, but the offense was NEVER this bad under him.

Giants: 20

Ravens: 0

Tresman is a disgrace.

Also, Perriman needs to be deactivated until he learns to catch. So far he is just a waste of space on the field. 

The Ravens are just a BAD TEAM. simple as that. Tresman needs to be fired immediately. He is a horrible coach. This team is a disgrace to watch. Only we can make the worst defense's look like the 85 Bears. Fire the ENTIRE offensive coaching staff PLEASE!!!

Seems like the Ravens do more bodily harms to their fans due to the stress they put us through, than they do to their opponents.

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think it was asking if it was time to cut Ray Lewis or something absurd like that. It may have involved  Ed Reed--I'm not sure, but I am certain it's one of those. 

Might have been the (I want Tyrod) thread made the season we won the SuperBowl.

Everything on offense today was horrendous to watch. I am officially on the ( FIRE TRESMAN) train. How in the hell do we not help Hurst at all against Mack? West was good running the ball, why not let him run it more?

The decisions by Harbaugh today were very questionable. Judon not playing today at all? Why is Hurst even on the team, let alone starting against Mack of all people? Why doesn't he take initiative and ORDER Tresman to run the damn ball? And how much more of Wright can we take? He is our 1 weakness on defense right now and teams exploit him every week. Will Davis continues to be healthy scratches for no reason, but we let this bum play every week and get burned every week. 

Harbaugh needs to start feeling the heat today after his performance, and Tresman needs to go. Bench Wright and all will be ok