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4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

It's never bothered me - I like the draft too much and never want to lose comp picks - the flashy guys are never as exciting as you hope and they are often underwhelming to begin with - I'm not gonna lie - the biggest rush for me of FA so far is the potential that we might get 2 3rd round comps next year...

Just looking at this year, so you're perfectly fine losing you're starting RT for "maybe" a 3rd comp next year, which btw KO brought us the 99th pick which is the highest we've ever had. So a starting RT traded for someone outside even he top 100 players selected!!!! I'm  guessing you like Casinos and having the odds stacked against you? Play slots? Letting a computer determine you're fate. Cmon man. 

6 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

It sucks, but honestly it doesn't bother me. The Redskins win the FA period every year and do nothing. 

The Skins were closer to make the playoffs last year than we were. Just saying. AND with playing a harder schedule. 

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

If you let a $9m RT walk and can use that $9m to upgrade C and LG its a net positive for the line, imo.

Interior OL first. RT is the least priority. Important yes, but i wouldnt want to be adding a high priced RT unless it was the final piece in having a dominant OL. Spend the money to lock up the middle of the OL and an adequate RT will do.

Don't forget the 2.5 added for cutting Zuttah. 

Anyone else hate FA as a Ravens fan? It's the same ol every year. We NEVER have cap space and are always dumpster diving. Other teams work out deals with their players BEFORE FA so they don't lose them, unless they don't want them back anyway. We could've given Wagner a extension last year. It seems like, for every DJ or Weddle that we sign that works out, there's a dozen Zuttah and Lewis, etc.. that don't. 

I don't like RSR simply because the mods show extreme favoritism. Some posters can call others whatever they want but the second you respond you get banned. Might check out that scout one. Or if Bold can get one setup that we all migrate to. 

Add in the 3rd round also. Just something I've seen in mock drafts and a article on RSR. Linking is to another DE in the 1st round. Lol. If you look at the draft prospects, Carl Davis, Jerrigan, Kafusi, ZSmith, and Correa, ALL have come out with highly touted pass rush abilities. And these are all 2nd and 3rd rounders. Read their draft projections and analysis. And not a single one has produced. Why? Kafusi broke his ankle, very unfortunate. Correa had some dings, but still couldn't see the field. Davis, a guy that even Mike Mayock said might sneak into the 1st round has done......ZSmith, the quoted "twin of McPhee" has done.......Jerrigan has done pretty good, but certainly hasn't lived up to his draft projection. And 2 years ago people were calling him a bust. Lol. 

Bottom line, if you're drafting guys in the 2nd and 3rd that even experts say would be 1st rounders, and than they produce less than you're undrafted guys, you have a serious disconnect between you're Coaching staff and Scouting people. 

I suggested before instead of escalators, how about those rolling paths like you have at some airports? Much better option and can go right on the existing ramps with minor modifications. 

And I thought they took them out of OPACY? Only go to a few games a year and always sit along the 3rd base line or left field. Cause that's where the smoking side is. Lol

6 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Because our hybrid scheme works best. We line up in a 3-4, 5-2, 4-3, etc. at different times. And we don't have the 4-3 DEs or 4-3 OLBs for that to be really viable.

I thought we had it last year, given BWill and Jerrigan inside with Urban and Suggs playing DE. ZSmith on one side with Mosley in the middle and we just need that other LB spot solidified. Figured with Judon, and than drafting KC we had it, with a lot of horses, to spell guys. Next year? Dunno. In 2015 we played 68% of snaps in the nickel with a basic 4 man front. Haven't seen the stats for 2016 yet. 

On 2/7/2017 at 8:53 PM, Nightman said:

Perhaps they'll do It like FedEx Field, where they have a bank of them going to the 400 level and ramps for all the "Health Nuts".

 No offense, but you're going to a football game. Did memorial stadium have escalators back in the Colts days? Sincerely asking as I'm not sure but doubt it. 

Theres elevators at M&T. For those that can't make it up there. Handicapped and so on. If you're not handicapped with a legit excuse, there's ramps. Not even stairs. Ramps. I mean cmon this is getting rather silly he laziness of America. Not about health nuts. Think of it as a game, can I finish this beer before I make it to the top? 

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Problem is that from a personnel standpoint, there's not a ton of "major changes" that can be left. Joe is untouchable for a few more years, and beyond that its just cutting some veterans that are going to be cut regardless of who the coach is. Like nobody thinks Suggs is going to be here more than another year or two. 

You've essentially got a pretty young offense, and teams don't just overhaul teams that have youth on offense. 

You'll see some coaching changes, but I don't personally consider that a major overhaul. Fans expecting that the roster will be completely gutted when a new coaching staff comes in will be extremely disappointed.

I'm talking more "philosophy" and what you need to succeed. People say defense wins championships. But this past year the 4 teams in the conference games were 22,25,12 and 8th. Yes the 8th place won a ring, after giving up 21 points in the first 17 minutes of the game. The year before, all 4 were in the top 10.  The year before that was again scatter and 2 in the top 10, and 2 in the lower half. Lol. 

Conversely. 8 of the last 10 that have made a championship game have offenses in the top 10. The other 2, one won the SB in 2015. 

Personally I think Sizzle hangs it up after next year if we don't make the playoffs. If we do than he'll stick around one more year to take another go at it. We don't have a young offense. We have some younger guys on our line, and maybe it gets younger given the dumping of Zuttah, but Yanda only has a couple more years left himself. And we have ZERO too include Perriman in a reliable younger receiving corps. We have some young promising YEs that either can't stay healthy, or get popped for roids. No offense because I think they can be pretty damn good, but....And we have some younger RBs to couple up with a guy that if he's gonna hit his peak will be the next 2 years. 

12 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Just my opinion, but I don't think run-first offense win SBs without an all-time great defense. If you look at all of the elite defenses who won the SB, 2013 Seahawks, 2015 Broncos, 2000 Ravens or 1985 Bears, they were primary rushing attacks but they won because they had a defense so great that they could control the tempo of the game and allow the offense to have massive TOP. 

We can't have that right now and I think the passing game should be as big of a priority as the run game. I would like to see the Ravens be able to beat anyone through the air and just crush teams there, teams are winning that way now, it's a passing league so why not get with the times? Of course the run game should be a big part of the offense but not the primary focus. 

Let's just take the past 2 years. Teams who have made the championship game, not just the SB. Lost my other notepad that had the past 10 years and really don't feel like doing that research again, so just did the past 2 years. Which prob matters more as they keep coming out with more and more rule changes. Anyways:

2016            Offense ranking( Overall, Passing, Rushing)    Defense (Overall, passing, rushing)

Packers.           7,7,20.                                                      22,2,8

Falcons.            2,3,5.                                                        25,5,17

Steelers.          8,5,14.                                                    12,17,13

NE.                   4,4,7.                                                       8,21,3

2015. 

Arizona            1,2,8                                                     5,8,5

Carolina           11,24,2                                                 6,11,4

NE                    6,5,30                                                  9,17,9

Denver            16,14,17                                                1,1,3

Now all you can take from that is a team with a top 5 in any category can make it, but plenty of others with better top 5 numbers didn't even make the playoffs. there's no magical formula, it's all about match ups  

Kinda wonder what packages will run. Gotta check ravenstrips and wnst. Lol

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

He was drafted to help provide speed on the outside pass rush, which he still can honestly, not sure why some many seem to think he's just worthless outside, but while that was part of the role they wanted him to fill, from day one they lined him up at ILB and asked him to learn every LB position on the team and I think it eventually became too much for  him mentally. 

Going back to the pass rush aspect of things. Correa isn't a natural pass rusher and you knew that coming out of Bosie. He's an effort pass rusher and a guy who has a really good first step that allowed him to convert speed to power vs weaker OTs. However in the NFL he has to become much stronger, which he definitely can and he has to maintain that great motor. I said it before the Ravens drafted him and I'll say it now. He's almost Identical to Clay Matthews. If you look at Clay coming out of USC he wasn't and isn't a pure pass rusher like a Von Miller. The Packers moved him around and allowed him to blitz more so than just put his hands in the dirt or get in his bike stance and hunt. Clay has decent moves he can pull out every now and then but much of his production comes from effort and the fact that the Packers move him around to create favorable match-ups. The year they tried to make him a full time OLB, I think it was 11' he had probably his worse seasons because that's not his game. The same is true for Correa. When you draft a guy like that you must have a plan for him and I'm not sure Pees is the type of DC to have that type of plan. Not a bash Pees moment, just my opinion. The Ravens need to put KC in position where he's moving all over the defense and the offense doesn't know if he's dropping or blitzing. Just asking him to line up and rush vs OTs all game isn't gonna garner much success consistently. He's the type of guy you just allow to play like his hair is on fire, almost like a rover on defense. He's good enough against the run on the edge to play outside on early downs, but as a pass rusher he should be moved around but he doesn't possess pass rush moves that allow him to win consistently outside. Not saying he's Clay or even AD to give a hometown feel, but he has to be used like those guys or else it's just a waste. That's on the Ravens, not the player. 

Amen. The bottom line is KC was drafted because of his unique abilities. Abilities being wasted. Pees schemes are very bland and vanilla. X player fits x spot. He cannot adjust on the fly. He never has, even with NE. We'll see what happens next year as I think he gets many more reps splitting time with Judon and others, but I think he's gonna wind up a pretty good 2nd Rd pick. 

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I definitely don't see this teams window for winning as now. In fact, I don't even see that window being open for another year or two.

Honestly this year is a put up or shut up year. If we fail to make the playoffs again I fully expect major changes. THAN maybe the window changes to a couple years. Once Harbaugh brought back Pees I think his fate is intertwined. The D went from 1st to 7th in the final 4 games, when we were at our healthiest as a defensive unit, minus Jimmy of course. So I fully expect them to throw everything they can at winning right now. I don't know if that's guys like BWill and Doom not returning and them throwing weight behind the offense, or if it means Wagner leaves, and maybe even Juice and them throwing a lot of heat towards the D side. Personally I think they hope guys like Pierce, Judon, ZSmith, or Correa really step up and they hand the keys to the kingdom to Marty and give him everything they can to become a top 5 offense. That at least gives you a above average shot at winning the division and a home playoff game. 

15 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Haha, you literally quoted someone asking about Kaufusi and the first words you typed were "he's similar to Doom." I thought the same thing

Has anyone brought up Lorenzo Alexander from Buffalo?  I know he is 33 but he is coming off a 13 sack season, he could give us instant production just not sure what price he will command. 

I went back and reread it. That was my fault, we were talking about Correa moving to ILB, and I mixed up the threads when I was looking up his draft profile and what Mayock and others were saying. Lol

17 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'd have to go back digging, but most likely just some speculation from a beat writer.

I will point out that its pretty rare that the highest paid player at any position is actually the best player at that position, particularly when the best player at any given position is subjective and changes annually.

Compensation has a lot more to do with timing and supply/demand. Wouldn't surprise anybody if he ended up being close to if not the highest paid RT, and that's also not taking into account whether a team may feel that he could play LT for them also.

I don't even think you're in the ballpark unless you start at $7M a year. He could get that from half a dozen teams in his sleep. The question beyond that is how much higher somebody will go. Pretty weak class for Tackles all around this year, and teams aren't afraid to spend on offensive lineman.

He probably won't get as much as Williams, but I bet the gap won't be as big as some think.

Gotcha I just remember reading something on ESPN about no one willing to pay a RT, LT style money. Was just ingeneral, not a Wagner thing, however they did say options at RT weren't all the great this year. 

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

By similar accounts, Wagner is one of the most highly sought after tackles available in FA this year, and could command quality money too.

Some have suggested as much as $9-10M a year, which means POTENTIALLY the cost of Wagner and Williams will be very similar. 

We're going to have to pay up to retain either one of those guys.

Link? Because the second highest paid RT in the league right now, who just signed his deal last year is set at 7.5. And no one is going to argue that Wagner is the best RT in the league. He should be in the 6m per league, at best. 

6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I just think Wallace proved more this last year in this system. So many drag routes taken for 40 or 50 yards because of his open field speed. I just have never really seen that from Torrey Smith. I think both receivers have a good amount left in the tank... I'm surprised more people aren't talking about Desean Jackson at this point. Yes there is the age but I see more playmaking ability out of him than Smith.

Personally I think Jackson has benefited more from Garçon taking attention away and them having a seam TE threat. Leaving him mostly one on one. Just never really seen him good enough to beat coverages, not that Wallace is a world beater either, but given the options and same price I'll take the guy Joe knows. In this case. 

I really think it was a team who has never before this year been in a do or die situation. Their HC has before and he chocked then also. What was that scene in the movie Relacements. You're suddenly in quicksand and he more you try and fight the more it swallows you? That's what happened. 

22 hours ago, redlobster said:

Are you talking about Correa or Kafusi? Kafusi was a 3rd round pick and is nothing like dumervil, considering one is 5'10" and the other is 6'7" and play different positions.

Correa. Not sure where you got Kafusi from. 

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

Here's the thing, we haven't had the same receivers coach the whole time.  These issues started a loooong time ago and Bobby Engram just got here in 2014.  I can't figure out why our receivers never try to help their QB out minus a few who were probably taught this before they got here (Mason and SSS).  The Packers flat out teach receivers to keep moving when their down their route if covered.  We see the Steelers receivers do it all the time as Ben made a career of "backyard football".  Our guys run their route......and then watch Joe to see what he does next while the corner stands next to them

Good point to bring up. Before Engram we had a ST failure and bum coaching WR. Everyone thought he was gonna be a savior. And this far that hasn't been the case. However we really haven't given him much to work with either. Perriman, who most draft experts said, has 2 routes. And his claim to fame was beating CBs who are currently working at McDonalds. And than he stubs his toe and is out for a year. Than you hand him a former QB who has physical tools but has never run a route in his life. Than a couple other bottom of the barrel guys. You can't get blood from a turnip. Honestly I don't get how NE does it, they're 2 primary receivers are short white dudes, and than have another tall white dude who sucked in college. And you can say Brady all day long, but damn. 

1 hour ago, TurkishRaven said:

I still don't know what to expect from Kafusi. What exactly his position is?

He's pretty similar to Doom. Situational pass rusher. Honestly if you watch his film he's a lot like Kruger at this point. We played more experienced guys in front of him while he learned the NFL. Honestly kinda our MO. And keeping with our MO and the fact that he's a 2nd rounder he'll get his shot at starting next year. Provided they don't waste the money bringing back Doom. Which Oz and Co are kinda notorious for, but I'm guessing they waste resources bringing back Pitta and/or Watson. 

9 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Let's compare some things here.

Wallace had his best seasons when he had QB's with strong arms; Ben Roethilisberger and Joe Flacco. Between those two he had some pretty mediocre seasons in Minnesota with Teddy Bridgewater and in Miami with Ryan Tannehill.

Take a look at what Torrey had in San Francisco. He's had to deal with the flip-flopping of Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert. No receiver has had a good season with that travesty of a team in the past two seasons. And if you didn't know he missed 4 games this year because he went up and fought for a ball that was overthrown and during the tussle with the DB Torrey landed hard right on his head and was lights out for quite a while on the turf. He had a concussion but no other injury supposedly. So hopefully he's well enough to even come back to play next season and if so, it will be interesting to see what his market is after one meh kind of season and then a disastrous one like last year. Obviously if the Niners cut him they don't think he's worth what they are currently paying him.

Right player, right price. I think this move only happens if the Ravens make a move for Brandon Marshall if he becomes available. I also thought bringing back Boldin might be nice, but he's apparently thinking about retirement and apparently only wants to go back to Detroit.

 

Given the 12 games Torrey played in, because as you stated he was out for 4 he put up 297 yards. The year before he was only listed as a starter for 12 games also but played in all 16. Total 663 yards, Boldin put up 789 in the same 12 games. His second to last year. 

If you take the same first 7 years, Wallace has 3 1000 yard seasons, Torrey has 1. I get having weak QBs but isn't Gabbert known for having a good deep ball? It's his decision making and progressions along with terrible over the middle accuracy that's done him in. 

All in all TBH, and you mentioned it Marshall. Given average pre year, look at say Atlanta what they're paying, look at Cinnci, Redskins even Seattle. Last year the Skins paid both Jackson and Garçon 8m each. Atl paid Julio 14 and Sanu 6. BM got paid 8 in a injury riddled down season and is set to be a FA casulty. I was on the get Garçon train, because he's def getting cut. The Skins are gonna stick with Jackson and than they're younger guys because they gotta figure out how to retain Cousins. But at this point I think he's more a consolation prize. 

Think I read a correction that it was that years 1st and 2nd and we offered that years 3rd or 4th and they covered with 2009 2nd also, and that's when we said no. So essentially, Joe, Rice, Gooden and Kruger.

Which TBH I still wouldn't switch for, I just don't think Ryan would hold up in our division. If you look at PFF and his career stats outside vs inside it's night and day. 

No worries man. I agree I don't see Doom coming back either. I think KC was seen as the next man up. They might look at some other pass rushers but I doubt it. I think they're going to have to take a look at the ILB market and get a guy to put next to Mosley. A guy like Hightower would be intriguing to pair next to Mosley for the next few years.