Grapple Raven

As I suspected on the chance that the Patriots might win the Super Bowl, the NFL would begin to lay a foundation for a cover up and it started right before the game this afternoon with this report by Rappaport. This report has a lot of misinformation and facts that do not add up from the previous report: 1) The person of interest is now being referred to as "a game day operator" rather than a locker room attendant. He is now being referred to as "elderly" (possibly to infer there wouldn't have been time to deflate any balls by some who is older) lol. 2) The time frame has been extended from 90 secs. to now 98 secs. for the videotape in the restroom. 3) This report doesn't mention the possibility of another person in the restroom as some previous reports from other sources suggested. 4) The first reports said the locker room attendant was hired by the NFL, now this report says the game day operator WAS hired by the Patriots, and ONLY specifically for game day. (That sounds really strange if you ask me.) 5) In the video Rappaport says of the 11 balls, one was under by 2 lbs., THAT ball is the leagues possession, several were under by 1 lb. and several more were "just a tick below" the requirement of 12.5 and those footballs were RETURNED to the Patriots to be put back in circulation with the rest of the Patriots game day balls. (Now I don't have a clue what in the hell "just a tick below" means in terms of PSI, but lets be honest...all 11 are below 12.5, lol. However later in the video he goes on to say 1 was 2 lbs. under, 3 or 4 were under 1 lbs., and 3 or 4 more were just a tick under...lets do the math...that doesn't add up to 11 balls people if you took the max. of 4 in each of the two groups plus 1, lmao. Why all the fudging with number of balls and the amount of air in them? ) In the actual story by Rappaport he says this: "Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum." (Confused yet??? I bet they are hoping we are.) 6) There is video of the man entering and exiting the restroom, but it is unclear if there is a "clear shot" inside the restroom. (Now this would imply that there is a shot from inside the restroom not previously reported. If there wasn't a video inside why the need to classify as to whether the shot was a clear one? What as opposed to no shot?, lol Hmmm.) 7) Now they are saying "that it appears" that the league has the football intercepted by D'Qwell Jackson that he handed over to the league by the Colts equipment staff. (Well they either have this ball or they don't? Which is it? Even if you add the other balls to this one it only comes up to a total of 10! What happened to the 11th and 12th balls?) 8) Now, we are going to add more confusion to this matter by turning the remaining leftover footballs back to the Patriots that have Walt Anderson's initials on them to be put back in circulation with the Patriots other game balls, OF WHICH Anderson officiated for them two other times this season and those also have his initials on them....which would now total 30 some balls with ole' Walt's initials on them, yeah okay! Never be able to differentiate those balls again. Geeze. Moral of the story...we are designing a cover up folks! I hope I am wrong about a cover up, but it isn't looking too good right now. I guess we will just have to wait and see. But this does present a real problem for old Roger Goodell... whose credibility with the league is hanging by a thread, and now that the Patriots won this SB, let's just suffice it to say he is between a rock and a hard place! And this whole dilemma just makes me nauseous!!!

You're welcome! I thought it was interesting that Hartsock was only there for a week during training camp (admitting he went there to see what life was like "behind the curtain" as he put it) but his TE position coach told him everyday of that week, about not talking to the press, and if he did talk what to say or not say. That is kind of strange, but it definitely shows the "the Patriot way" is plausible deniability and tightly controlled by Belicheck.

For anyone interested, this is a very insightful interview with Ben Hartsock on radio row referencing his time when he tried out with the Patriots at the beginning of the season. It really confirmed my thoughts about "the Patriot way" and how Belicheck controls that organization. Imho, that place must be an awful environment to play in. P.S. He shares some thoughts about Steve Smith when he played with him too, lol. Audio interview: http://bit.ly/1tJ3tF8

This was absolutely hilarious referencing who pulled the fire alarm at the Patriots hotel at the Super Bowl!!! Check # 9 down the page! http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000465569 Opps! lmaoooooooooo

Thanks for checking out the link I posted. It is just so ironic that the NFL came out today and devised a new signal for the eligible/ineligible issue, that kind of takes the advantage out of that Belicheck move by the Patriots, now ya gotta wonder what is next. Who knows how many other things that have been missed over the years that they schemed up. Good article that describes some of the ones that were exposed: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-england-patriots-scandals-from-spies-to-snowplows/

Lol, that won't be so much of a conspiracy theory, if the forensics experts of the deflategate investigation team find any connection via call logs, or social media interactions via text or emails.

Spencer Tillman laid it out pretty well in an interview on radio row a day or two ago: Listen here: http://bit.ly/1CzMarI He's got a point referencing what he calls his "bibliographical footnotes" as he shows a pattern of deceit and cheating by the Patriots. Interesting point.

It was even on the Patriots site that Fish put a link to in this thread, they even put a map up of Kravitz's home on that site, and several of their fans commented on wanting to egg his home, and one even went so far as to say he wished he could set his home on fire! Crazyyyyy people I tell ya! But I guess after decades of defending a legacy of cheating it would tend to make ya a little rabid and delusional. lol

I agree ravensdfan, that is what I said when I put this article up yesterday: "This article by Josh McDaniels , well I can't EVEN!!! http://profootballta...receiver-plays/ Technically, he is correct, but the read-between-the-lines stuff just makes me want to vomit!" It is just another way to thumb their noses at the NFL via their "Patriot Way" of bending the rule book to take advantage or outright cheating. It really angers me that McDaniels was bold enough when he referred to the fact that they used this only 5 or so times in 2014. Once in regular season( probably for a practice run) , but definitely to pull it out in the championship rounds where it would give them a distinct advantage. Three times used in our game, but only once in the Colts game that is listed in the NFL game book because the officials couldn't recognize the other time). That says a lot right there! They were almost confessing to the fact that knew it was deceptive and would give them an advantage or else why would they save it for the most important games of the season, the divisional and championship rounds...this mentality of win at all costs shows up yet again. If they are as good as they think they are then why resort to this type of underhanded crap. It smacks as desperation to win...a win that they thought would remove the stain of their cheating from their legacy. But what burns me the most is when McDaniels gives credit to the Colts for recognizing the deceptive moves and praises them for picking it up, but claims it caught the Ravens off guard because he implies that our guys weren't smart enough to catch it. I guess the Colts (and now the Seahawks) maybe might have had and inkling because the Ravens put the remainder of the NFL on notice have anything to do with that??? That little dig on the Ravens didn't go unnoticed here. He is crowing about the Colts picking up their eligible/ineligible crap when they clearly outright beat them, but yet insinuates the Ravens weren't smart enough to pick up the eligible/ineligible crap but they beat us by only 4 points? Yeah right! So they felt the need to dig at the Ravens? McDaniels was even arrogant enough to cut the report off when questioned, saying that since each time they used this ploy they huddled, so there was no deception? Okaaayyy! Well I guess Harbaugh was right after all since they have now changed the mechanics of the officiating for the Super Bowl over the eligible/ineligible crap. Just ticks me off!!!

Well this was interesting!!! It can be done in a bathroom with 11 footballs in under 90 seconds (this guy even does 12): see the video... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/deflategate-update-soften-12-balls-40-seconds-article-1.2094280

This article by Josh McDaniels , well I can't EVEN!!! http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/28/josh-mcdaniels-defends-ineligible-receiver-plays/ Technically, he is correct, but the read-between-the-lines stuff just makes me want to vomit!

K-Dog, just out of curiosity how long did it take to deflate the ball you were using?

Interesting viewpoint from Spencer Tillman about Spygate from Radio Row at the Super Bowl from WNST: Audio link below http://bit.ly/1CzMarI He's got a point referencing what he calls his "bibliographical footnotes" as he shows a pattern of deceit and cheating by the Patriots. Interesting point.

Couldn't agree with you more, you did a fantastic job explaining exactly how I feel!

I'm sure he does, lol. Thought it was interesting that he says IF the NFL doesn't find the Patriots guilty of any wrongdoing. He wouldn't make that statement if he was sure that his head coach, QB and staff were completely innocent and could be absolved of any wrongdoing. He doesn't know!!! Why? Because imho, from what I have read over the past two weeks it would appear that the league set a trap for the Patriots to see if they could catch them. It caught them off guard! Hence all the posturing by Belicheck and Brady with these inconsistent, contradictory illogical press conferences. They weren't prepared because they didn't know it was coming. That is what I find interesting about this whole situation, I honestly believe that this has been an ongoing process for a while this season and possibly beyond that time frame. Many teams across the league are fed up with the Patriots antics, and this mess with stretching the rulebook and tampering with footballs in the Divisional & Championship round games respectfully, and now all this controversey surrounding its signature sporting event the Super Bowl which is the leagues premiere cash cow. I think these issues are the last straw for many GM's, head coaches, other owners, players, and the public. It is damaging to the sport. Does it not seem odd that in the world of the salary cap, which was designed to bring parity to the league that you would still have one team still so dominate? One team that is atop their division year after year after year? Hmmmmm. If I was one of the other 31 teams in the league I would be wondering in there was something underhanded going on as well. You combine all that with the fact that the league has taken a major PR and financial hit* (*referring to losing sponsors over RR, AP violence issues, etc. and others), officiating issues in several games, questions about player safety issues as in the concussion protocol being ignored, questions about its "independent" or lack there of investigation on RR and other issues of player violence, "conflict of interest" issues with its commissioner and its owners, and now deflagate??? Its not so much the cheating with deflated footballs, its more of a bigger picture...folks are fed up with the incompetence, from inside the league. Folks are fed up with the affront to the game of football. People make no mistake the NFL and its "Shield" have major issues. One of the biggest issues is whether Goodell will have the balls, pun intended, to finally stand up and begin to repair the damage by calling out one of the most suspect teams in the league for their underhanded culture. Roger we are waiting...it is either more of the status quo going forward, or needed change...Goodell the 11 deflated balls are in your court now!

Agreed Tank, I couldn't believe in the light of all that has happened this nut actually said that in a taped interview...not the sharpest knife in the kitchen drawer, obviously! I thought the same thing he looked and sounded like he meant that! My only question is who the hell handles their PR??? There is a tree stump in a swamp somewhere with a higher I.Q.!!!

Patriots CB Browner said this today, especially interesting is the video at the end of the article where you can see him say it in his own words. http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/01/watch_patriots_brandon_browner_says_he_is_going_to.html … Goodell must be so proud! lol

Geeze, when I heard Belicheck say in their send off rally today that they were proud to represent the AFC in Arizona, it made me sick to my stomach! Nice parting shot there Bill!

If you think that is an interesting tidbit, you should start looking into Kraft's finances. lol

Check the video in this link, and this was actually from a Bears-Ravens game: http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/21/patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-ball-controversy/ I think if you watch you'll see the process.

I too said that I'm not often a fan, but don't know whether you read the entire article but it was a good one in this instance. I try to read a lot of information from all sides and come to a conclusion on my own. There were some interesting points of interest in this one.

Another interesting viewpoint, and the video at the end is interesting as well! This one in particular was actually odd due to the fact that King is usually in the Patriots corner, but not so much in this one. http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/21/patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-ball-controversy/

Usually, not a big fan, but I don't think I could have said it better: http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/01/23/lombardis-way/risks-worth-rewards-patriots/ …

The Patriots cheated in this game by using underinflated footballs, cheated when they didn't have to, to win a game against an opponent that they had already beaten multiple times. Why? I think to ensure their victory, so they could get back to the Super Bowl. Back to the Super Bowl in Arizona, site of the game when they lost to the Giants, think about what that implies if you know your football history. Back to a Super Bowl to win so they could wash the stain off their franchise for Spygate. To rinse that stain off their tarnished legacy, the legacy of Kraft, Belicheck, of Brady. An act of desperation perhaps? All three aren't getting any younger, they aren't in their prime any longer, perhaps they saw this as a final chance. Its the only thing that could explain the need to cheat with a good team on a team they knew they could beat because they had done so before. I would probably say that the majority of the public doesn't believe that it would remove the stain from their legacy, but I do think this is what the Patriots were thinking. Finally after years of rebuilding, they had the team they thought could win it all. The team that could erase the stain. But regardless of whether they win or not, it will still be just one more stain added on top of an already tarnished legacy. Why? Because they used a cheap illegal tactic to give them an unfair advantage. A tactic that gave their QB more grip allowing for better accuracy in a throw, a tactic that gave their receivers a softer ball to catch in pouring rain, a tactic that allowed a firmer grip by their backs that would aid in less fumbles. The fact that they were so desperate to win against a team they knew they could beat. Win at all costs. To those football purist like myself, that love the game for its simplicity...what its owner, its head coach, its quarterback, and this franchise have done to the game of football diminishes the sport, the integrity of the game, the principle of good sportsmanship, and the legacy of all that have played before them. It is revolting, despicable, and most of all shameful. Goodell better think long and hard because his career is teetering too. He has a chance to stand up and begin to right this deceit and underhanded culture that the Patriots have brought to this sport, and if he doesn't he is no better.

Found this interesting as well: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12207276 Rut roh! lol