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They already said Correa is playing on the outside, no point in discussing him as an ILB

2 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

Soooo.... Looking like Z.Orr is definitely starting next to Mosley 

Could've had Myles Jack too. Maybe we'll trade for somebody, no way Orr is starter material

RB competition will be fierce, we'll get the best out of all of those guys. Forsett, West, Allen, Richardson, LT, Dixon.. somebody is going to emerge big time

Like all our 4th round pick except Moore, should've been Killebrew

Chris Moore over Billings and Killebrew, disgusting. I actually like Tavon Young though.

We lack physicality on the back end without Hill and passed on Killebrew who is a ferocious hitter, good athlete, size of a LB, and great special teamer. Absolute shame, this front office never fails to piss me off with some of this mid round picks and I've been right about guys they passed on before.

We seriously passed on Killebrew and Billings for 2 scrubs who will probably be out of the league in 4 years, another Tandon Doss and Chykie Brown. Cheers Ozzie

Would love to land Miles Killebrew, hardest hitter in the draft. Webby and Weddle aren't making anyone fear coming over the middle now that Will Hill is gone, would love to add a guy with a presence on the back end. I think he could be the starting SS in 2017, let him be a rotational safety this year and a special teams ace. Super talented kid, just played at a lower level and needs a year to adjust.

Only time will tell. I'm all in on Correa, hope with our coaching staff his explosiveness can be used to mold him into a stud pass rusher. I still don't condone how we played that 2nd round but it's in the past now I suppose, I still stand by everything I said in my OP though. 

At least we're not Pittsburgh who took the two biggest bust risk corners in the early portion of the draft back to back.

1 minute ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Noah was over rated bro... Beating up division 2 talent, avoiding contact. He has a lot to learn. It's why he was available 

Watch him vs Kentucky at EKU. Urban Meyer talked very highly of him at Ohio State as well, basically said all his issues were off the field and he was a stand out talent on their team, an OSU team that was STACKED with future NFL players mind you. I don't think he was overrated at all when you see where he was drafted. He's a guy who could've gone mid-late 1st and nobody would've batted an eye. May not have super impressive combine numbers but he's just a damn good football player. I had him rated above Correa as did the Bucs apparently who don't even run a 3-4 and still took Spence.

4 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Nothing you can do now except hope these guys are as coach able as our scouts say they are 

Yeah, I'm pulling for him. I mean even if you wanted to give us a pass for not taking Jack. Passing on Spence is the straw that broke the camel's back. I had him rated higher than Correa by a sizable margin. I hope they just said Correa was higher on their board at the presser to make the fans feel better. Because if that was actually true I have no idea what film they were watching, Spence pops far more on film and is just a higher caliber prospect overall.

Best of luck to Correa, hope he succeeds, I just hate the way we approached the 2nd round, 2 major miscues.

I really implore people to watch the tape on Correa as well, he honestly doesn't even dominate against lesser competition. I see the upside but passing on a player like Jack for a 4th/5th and Correa is just not an intelligent trade off. If we took a polished pro-ready player I would understand. We passed on a top 5 talent for a boom or bust player, that is inexcusable. 

6 minutes ago, VeiledPsychosis said:

You are way way way overblowing this and blowing how much of an impact he'll have well out of proportion. he wasn't even the best prospect in this draft - not even the best linebacker if Jaylon Smith hadn't gotten hurt - let alone a world beater. Just take chill pill.

Are you denying that Myles Jack was a top 5 talent? I'm always a "In Ozzie We Trust" guy but they got this one wrong, bottom line. If Jack sat and sat in the 2nd round you may have a point. But a team not only immediately took him, they traded up for him. Risk-reward. Jacksonville felt the reward out weighed the risk, I agree with them

Again, Correa is boom or bust, Correa could only be a situational pass rusher his whole career and Jack could go on to be a top 5 ILB for many years to come. The analogy I used really is super accurate. We opted to get a base hit over swinging for the fences out of fear of striking out. I'm of the mentality (as is Jacksonville and Dallas) that the reward out weighed the risk. Jacksonville has been doing a great job drafting as of late, I absolutely think they were on the right side of the Myles Jack debate and we were too afraid of our shadow to pull the trigger.

15 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Say whu...?

If Jack plays one season and retires, it was still the wrong decision, because he might have, but didn't, play eight years? Isn't that like saying Ryan Leaf was the right pick to make, because theoretically, he might not have sucked, even though he did?

The point is you don't have hindsight when you make the pick. There is a worst case scenario, a best case scenario, and somewhere in between. For a talent like Jack you take that risk. Correa is boom or bust, we didn't pass on Jack for a polished player.

This would be a good 2nd round pick for us most years. But you know what? We were drafting in the top 5 of the 2nd round. We were supposed to get another 1st round talent according to Eric. Correa has some upside but a 1st round talent he is not. We were promised "instant coffee" and we come away with out a single instant playmaker on the defense. For that reason alone this draft has been a failure. I like the Stanley pick but since we didn't go defense there it was was IMPERATIVE that we get a defensive playmaker in the 2nd or by trading back into the 1st.

I don't hate our class thus far but it doesn't live up to the expectations or what it could've been if we were more liberal with trading our picks. To have this high of draft position and only come away with this haul is unsettling and extremely disappointing.

 I'm usually a massive Ozzie/Eric supporter, I'm usually defending them during the draft. Tonight they have done something so incredibly inept for our football team I don't know if I will sleep tonight.

It's this simple, the reward out weighed the risk. It's not like we passed on Jack and got a super polished pro-ready player with no significant risk. Correa has upside but he's a risk himself, he's pretty boom or bust. How do you pass on a top 5 talent risk for a 2nd round caliber risk? We opted for getting a base hit over trying to knock it out of the park. In the 2nd round that's not acceptable. When you get a chance to hit it out of the park in the 2nd round you take it, if you strike out so be it, it was worth it.

Look, Jack could play 1 season and retire, it was still the wrong decision. Because you know what else could happen? He could persevere and be the best ILB in football for 5-8 years. That my friends is called risk-reward and in the 2nd round you accept those two realities with a smile on your face. I envy Dallas and Jacksonville for sharing that mentality with me, they could be totally wrong and neither Jaylon or Myles Jack ever pan out because of their knee's.. but you know what? It was worth the risk. 

The more I think on it the more I'm absolutely infuriated about passing on Myles Jack. The Jags played us for fools, a 5th round pick for the rights to a Top 5 talent... I'm sick. I understand not taking him in the 1st. But in the 2nd? The reward outweighs the risk so much that it breaks my brain that our front office couldn't pull the trigger on him. Look, modern medicine is an amazing thing. Take the damn blue chip player in the 2nd round!!! The Cowboys and Jags understand the risk/reward. 

Correa is risky in his own way as a prospect, just sickening. Myles Jack should be a Raven and I don't know if I can sleep tonight after this. I would rather swing for the fences and strike out then hit a stand up single. 

This presser made tonight all the more infuriating. Ozzie admitting there was a point we would've taken Myles Jack "But somebody came up and got him"... I'm sorry what? We're the one's who traded the pick the Jags used to get him! I just honestly feel like we will kick ourselves over passing on Jack for many years to come. Correa is far from a polished pro ready player, there is risk involved with him... but the upside for Jack is 10x higher.

Also more tales of "We tried to trade into the 1st and 2nd", it's just unbelievable that we can't get a deal done for players we clearly covet enough to trade for. Sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet and give up what a team wants if it means you get YOUR GUY. Just sounded like we were being stingy with picks and settled for Plan C or Plan D instead of just dealing the dang picks and getting our Plan A or Plan B. I'm sorry I'm not a huge fan of hoarding mid round picks, quality over quantity. I think we did decent but this draft had the potential to be so much more for us. 

Like it more than Correa in the 2nd, but wow uninspiring stuff this year. Hope I'm wrong.

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

And yet...when was the last time the Vikings have done anything? Why is it the same teams every year are picking in the top 10? 

Are you serious? The Vikings are one of the best young teams in football, due in large part to their awesome drafting and they were a fluke away from being in the divisional round last year. Pound for piound they have a better roster than us right now.

4 minutes ago, mc_red23 said:

We're going to have 8 picks in rounds 4-6, that's just stupid. I know you find value in the 4th round but FIVE picks? With our draft positions at the start of this draft I'd have been gutted if this was all we got on the first 2 nights. Very poor so far by the FO IMO. 

Yup, clearly over valuing 4th round picks. I implore anyone to go back and look at the 4th rounds of previous drafts and look at the caliber of players available. This is worst draft in recent memory and we had killer draft position. 

As someone who loves the draft and get's super invested into it every year this is the most disappointed I've probably ever been, especially when you consider our draft position. We're always trying to get cute while teams like the Vikings just consistently pick good football players and put us to shame. They were picking in the 20's and still came away with Treadwell and Alexander.

2 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

I know we are getting close to the end of the third, are we going to trade up here or no?

No that would make too much sense. We would rather draft 5 players in the 4th round instead of get quality players while they were still available. Passing on Jack, Spence, Cravens, Alexander.. disappointed doesn't even do it justice.

We had the 6th overall draft position and came away with THIS haul? I'm absolutely disgusted. Stanley was a good pick, two projects in rounds 2 and 3. Absolutely unacceptable. 

Just now, Gordo52 said:

Wow....

 

Also love Steelers draft. Meaning I think both picks were reaches. 

Steelers picked two massive bust potential guy, one of the few teams I think did worse than us in the 2nd