DMH_in_WA

I can't believe they couldn't get a FG and some of his decisions were mindboggling (how do you take a sack there?) but oh yea, this was a team effort from the Coach's booth to the field. I might even blame the guy who has to keep track of the jockstraps .. but he has it bad enough.

Yea, but I gotta put more of it on the offense. Defense put the Pats on lockdown in 1st half and put up 7 of their own. Offense put them in terrible position all 2nd half when all they needed to do was kick a field goal to solidify this. Throwing when they did in the 4th instead of running it, eating clock and kicking the FG only confused me slightly less than the Seahawks not handing Marshawn the ball.

And that is why, regardless of what anyone else says, I will call him Matty Melt until the day he dies. 25 points and all the talent in the world around him .. what the hell does it take? Somewhere Tony Gonzalez is drinking a beer and laughing hysterically.

Whoever thought this was a good idea, they are in danger of being taken off Santa's list ... don't do this again ... please.

Q's gamelogs for the last couple of years with SanFran look remarkably similar to his gamelogs with the Ravens in the regular season. If he had remained in Baltimore, it's a pretty good bet that we'd never have picked up Steve Smith Sr. and SSS has outperformed Q in pretty much every statistical measure compared to his time in both Baltimore and SanFran. If you want to sit here and convince yourself that with Q on the team we would be winning despite SSS completely outperforming him now (and in comparison to previous years with SF and Baltimore), that's fine but doesn't mean I'm somehow taking your wishful thinking as fact.

The problem I have with stuff like this is it's a report based on an article that takes nothing else into consideration but the number of missed starts a team has. It doesn't look at the positions lost or the players involved. But even more than that, the ESPN article confusingly ignores Campanaro, Elam, Taliaferro, Will Davis, Pitta, Urban and others when they calculated the games missed. The Ravens are above the Packers at #1 just in season ending games missed. So using that to compare teams and their wins-losses doesn't make much sense to me. You can look at just the position injuries they have and see why the "#14" Ravens are struggling with their injuries more than the more banged up "#1" Packers. Especially considering most of the Ravens loses are coming down to the defense holding teams late. Loss to Injury by Position (using ProFootball Reference since they correctly assign Pitta and Urban to the injuries): Packers: 1x Tight End - 1x Defensive End - 2x Linebacker - 3x Wide Receiver - 2x Safety Ravens: 4x Tight End - 1x Defensive End - 1x Linebacker - 4x Wide Receiver - 3x Safety - 3x Corner Back - 1x Running Back - 1x Defensive Tackle - 1x Offensive Tackle Wanna know who is doing the math at ESPN.

I didn't imply anything, I stated clearly that he is far from "tearing it up" this season. If you can look at his record this year and put him in the "tearing it up" category, then I think you've got that bar set way too low. He's averaging 55yds/game right now (even with the game against Baltimore) and that's going to go down again this week as he was 3 for 39yds tonight. At this point, if I had to choose, I'd take SSS over Q for what he can do.

That's subjective and trying to extrapolate. I'm talking about what is/was. I think Joe is a better QB too, but basing any of this on what I think would happen is just wishful thinking. There is no way you can say, "If we had Boldin right now we'd be winning." Well, you could, but what does that really mean?

Never said he wasn't, but the post I responded to categorized him as "tearing it up" and the stats don't support that. Same with Torrey. I like Q, but if he was making $7mil on the Ravens right now with the year he was having coming into the last game, are you telling me these forums wouldn't be calling for his head about now?

I think you're letting his playoff performance that year cloud your memory. He was 65 of 112 for 921 yds and 4 TDs with less than ~80yds in half of his games and only 2 over 100yds during the 2012 season. He was 22 of 36 for 380yds and 4TD in the playoffs - a huge increase over his season performance. And a pace he has not come close to sustaining since then. Q is far from "tearing it up" with the 49ers. They targeted a defender they knew extremely well (they even said so themselves) and exploited his weaknesses and tendencies. Good for them.

I get so tired of this ... people making up things just to try and emphasize their point. If Torrey and Q were still Ravens right now with the stats they currently have these forums would be calling for their heads. They both had excellent games against a completely injury depleted secondary. This idea about "injuries don't matter" needs to stop. There are reasons that people are 3rd string, 4th string, on the practice squad or cut by other teams. No, they are not good enough in most cases to play at the level of 1st and 2nd string starters. If you look at both these guys in the 5 games before their game against the Ravens: Torrey - 11 of 19 for 127 yards (25.4yds/game) and 1 Touchdown Q - 23 of 47 for 231 yards (46.2yds/game) and 2 Touchdowns (and 107yds and 1 TD came against the Giants) To put it another way, Kamar Aiken had more production than they did leading into the game against the Ravens. People need to stop acting like the team that is on the field for the Ravens is the one that the FO envisioned or built.

You'd think history would have shown Baltimore fans the ridiculousness of over-reacting ...... Shula. But even if that memory has faded, you only need to look at San Francisco to see the folly of crap like that. Then again, what am I thinking .... this is a fanbase where half the people think Tucker should be able to make a 65 yard field goal in a hurricane, with his helmet on backwards in the middle of a 6.0 earthquake. Nevermind.

Exactly ... there's a reason these guys were so far down the chain or on practice squad. Not sure why people talking like any of them is a WR1, WR2 or even WR3. Half the time they're jogging through their routes.

Tell me about it... it looked like he stepped in a gopher hole .... not sure why anyone here thinks he should have made that.

Yea, they left points on the field, but how people are eyeballing the offense for this one I don't get. You put up 384 passing yards, almost 500 yards of total offense and score 33 points against the Raiders, you should win that game. Defense should be as ashamed, if not more so, than the offense last week. At least the offense sputtered against arguably the best D currently in the NFL last week. What's the D's excuse this week?