EdBallhawkReed20

Not to say I don't like the pickup, but we can bring the players that actually played well in Baltimore. Cary Williams started to make plays during our playoff run actually he was all in position just never turned his head around in time leading to him knocking down passes instead of getting interceptions. He finally escalated his games in our system (not the Eagles), and we don't bring him back to Baltimore. I know I may catch a lot of heat for saying this but can we check into a deal with Bobby Rainey at RB. He was a shorter faster Ray Rice and is not starting due to the depth at RB for TB. He made headlines in TB his first year, and last year was only second to Doug Martin despite the offensive line. He just got picked up by the Giants... I'm a little baffled as to why we don't bring in talent that has played well for us in when they become available just saying. If you can't get Ray Rice get the next best thing that may have been potentially better.

  23 hours ago, eze17 said:

I think that with the injury history of Smith and Davis, plus the general feeling of ineffectiveness that Arrington brought to the table last year, it would be wise to bring in at least one veteran CB, I've said before, I wouldn't expect a starter, but a veteran would give us more competition and depth.

I agree with your assesment of Canady. Long term, he could be a sleeper, but I don't know about his effectiveness at this point in time. He could make it as a special teams player, but I think PS is probably more likely.

I think eventually we will add a corner, just not convinced it will be anybody relevant or even anybody who makes the final roster.

From the FO's perspective, here's how I see it:

1. They know Jimmy was recovering from Lisfranc, and probably factor that in heavily into his lack of production last season.

2. They like Shareece Wright far more than the fanbase does. 

3. They asked Arrington for a rather large paycut, but they also know that he spent a lot of time playing outside last season vs in the slot, and I think they expect him to be a primarily slot corner this season. He's historically actually been pretty good there.

4. They LOVE Will Davis. Things could easily be different if he doesn't get hurt. I think they view him as a quality starter-potential player.

Personally, I thought our safeties had a lot more to do with our poor secondary play (which improved tremendously) than the corners did. Our corners aren't going to be great, but that's required in order to win in this league. Better play from our safeties should yield better play from our corners.

I agree with what you said except for the Safety play. I believe that was to do to the lack of pas rush. You can play coverage all day, but if no one gets to the QB your secondary will get thrashed. Hopefully with Suggs back we get back after the QB again.

The Ravens traditionally keep their rookies, so its really the players that's on roster. You either make the roster or your on the practice squad... If ILB is bad I'm going to look back at Myles Jack and Reggie Ragland and think about Ozzie Newsome selection to take a OLB that won't start this season. Ozzie to say you were surprised to have all your picks on the board with maybe the exception of Dixon is laughable. When you have the no.6 pickin each round your player should be there. Ozzie, Ozzie, your picking high up buddy stop talking like you were drafting 26th overall each round. We could have settled for solid backups in positions we didn't neeed starters. Which realistically we did. Love the Ravens franchise, but whenever we have a problem, We tend to go out in the draft and over compensate instead of being visionaries and progressing our team along...

The Myles Jack or Reggie Ragland move in the second irritates me the most of any move in the second round. You needed an immediate starter, but I guess you guys are finally giving Arthur Brown a "chance after waiting forever. He can at least be a scapegoat if the defense doesn't play that well this year at inside linebacker. Just saying, I can see that article coming in the near future as an excuse that could have been corrected in the draft. You don't take a chance on Jack in the first and I don't fault the Ravens. The second round considering you saw Dallas take Jaylon Smith should have been a sure fire sign Jack wasn't lasting for three rounds Ozzie. If Ozzie wanted a CB that bad, disregard that draft board and draft what you wanted I would have rather taken William Jackson 3 opposite of Jimmy Smith. This article shows you guys didn't want Stanley as much as they put on when drafted. I think the Ravens could have fulfilled all needs instead of drafting players that won't start day 1. Jackson and Jack obviously would, just get rid of that draft board system and create a new one that gets the best players at the position of need tat can make an immediate impact. It's not that hard, really for example Eugene Monroe, Terrell Suggs contracts are no where near up, yet that was 1st and 2nd round pick. Yet you need to get young at CB and you need an ILB right now that is ready to play, not to mention WR because you know Steve Smith is leaving. We drafted at least two players at the same position twice so there is no reason we could not have filled all our positions of need...

My feeling on this draft overall is that it was a great draft in what the Ravens got. Ozzie wanted to get rotational pieces to replace what we lost in subpackages. As well as increasing the competition at CB, WR, and RB. Ozzie and company basically lied to the media in the final pre draft conference. They had a plan and did not follow through at all, so for the Ravens fans who are enraged by our draft I completely understand. Those who like the draft I also completely understand. I do feel it was entirely too safe and disagree with the first two picks of this years draft. We could have taken an immediate starter at a position of need. I really wanted Josh Doctson at WR, considering no matter what we do that is always the Ravens most lingering problem. They never found a true no.1 receiver. This year they had the no.6 pick. If you can't get the best DB at least get the best WR. We don't get to pick this high and more than likely won't for some time. Additionally have faith in your coaches for goodness sakes. Juan Castillo has done a great job developing our O-line. They seemed to show that type of faith with the CB's for Leslie Frazier why not OT as well. That could have been done in later rounds. This was not a good time to play safe. Myles Jack should have been selected in the 2nd round. That was a position of need and Jack wasn't just a 1st round but a top five pick. You contain mobile QB's from coming up or scrambling away from Suggs and Dumervil increasing their sacks with his presence alone. Which by the way the Ravens struggled against. RG3 did mess up his career vs. the Ravens, but we still lost that game. Mainly due to him being able to scramble away from the rush. When we play teams such as NE his presence would have helped a lot against Tom Brady who typically like to run no huddle to keep Baltimore from using its rotational players, so we did need immediate starters. Potential pro bowl caliber vs. a guaranteed back up just doesn't sound good to me with the no.36 pick. I understand the concern but their was tremendous upside. Just because a player is healthy does not mean he will contribute (Arthur Brown) and considering the best player available (C.J.Mosley) can keep a player like that from seeing playing time using that system. Which is why I prefer we draft the best player at a position of need moving forward...

My feeling on this draft overall is that it was a great draft in what the Ravens got. Ozzie wanted to get rotational pieces to replace what we lost in subpackages. As well as increasing the competition at CB, WR, and RB. Ozzie and company basically lied to the media in the final pre draft conference. They had a plan and did not follow through at all, so for the Ravens fans who are enraged by our draft I completely understand. Those who like the draft I also completely understand. I do feel it was entirely too safe and disagree with the first two picks of this years draft. We could have taken an immediate starter at a position of need. I really wanted Josh Doctson at WR, considering no matter what we do that is always the Ravens most lingering problem. They never found a true no.1 receiver. This year they had the no.6 pick. If you can't get the best DB at least get the best WR. We don't get to pick this high and more than likely won't for some time. Additionally have faith in your coaches for goodness sakes. Juan Castillo has done a great job developing our O-line. They seemed to show that type of faith with the CB's why not OT as well. That could have been done in later rounds. This was not a good time to play safe. Myles Jack should have been selected in the 2nd round. That was a position of need and Jack wasn't just a 1st round but a top five pick. You contain mobile QB's from coming up or scrambling away from Suggs and Dumervil increasing their sacks with his presence alone. When we play teams such as NE his presence would have helped a lot against Tom Brady who typically like to run no huddle to keep Baltimore from using its rotational players, so we did need immediate starters. Potential pro bowl caliber vs. a guaranteed back up just doesn't sound good to me with the no.36 pick. I understand the concern but their was tremendous upside. Just because a player is healthy does not mean he will contribute (Arthur Brown) and considering the best player available (C.J.Mosley) can keep a player like that from seeing playing time using that system. Which is why I prefer we draft the best player at a position of need moving forward...

  15 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Still makes the team better. No team gets every move right the first time or they would all have franchise QB's, etc.

What makes the team better? How do we know drafting Myles Jack makes the team better? He may be a great player, he may be a terrible player, or he may practically never play at all.

That is not the case with Myles Jack at all. He is first round talent. The problem is Jack saying he may only be able potentially play three years. He would start no doubt in my mind, but do you take an outsanding player in the 2nd round that may only be around for three years??? Jack makes the team better in a lot of ways. If a team ran no huddle Jack can play in coverage almost as an additional CB. He will help out against the screen and keep those plays to short yardage. He would be great against Gronkowski when we play NE. Hem also would help out against QB's that want to scramble which hurts the Ravens front seven greatly due to the lack of speed. You have to take into Cam, Russell Wilson, RG3, Aaron Rodgers, and all the other scramblers I predict would run by Suggs or Dumervil. His presence alone would force them to be pocket passers. He has a lot of upside specifically for our team in particular. I picked him over all the player we wanted to draft at no. 6 because he added the most to our team.

I am seriously mad with the Ravens. They lied on many accounts to fans... Steve Biscotti saying Eugene Monroe is our guy and we draft Ronnie Stanley. The Ravens said under no circumstances would they trade up for a player, yet they tried to for a CB with only three int's. To add insult to injury They will more than likely draft Myles Jack, Noah Spence, or a CB with the #36 pick in the draft. Point being they knew quality CB's would be there at #36. Eric DeCosta stated that so there was no reason to trade up. We drafted a "what if" pick in the first round. If none of our OL gets hurt this season the Ravens wasted a first round pick. He will be a rotational piece based on "what if" Eugene Monroe gets hurt. We have starters at all our other positions so he would just take the place of someone already starting on our O-line which is once again a waste. They should have drafted an actual need like a No.1 WR like Josh Doctson. That actually strengthens the team because we don't have that type of WR, plus you know for a fact Steve Smith is leaving next year. They could have gotten a WR for Joe to throw to in short intermediate yards situatins that fights for the ball due to Flacco's accuracy and can make a guy miss to create big plays. Ravens are looking like the same team with the same problems. They pick up to maintain instead of taking risk to move their team forward.

As of right now we drafted a backup. He is not straight up beating Monroe, Wagner will be two years removed from his injury and just like Jimmy Smith he got better later in the season. He will more than likely start at guard but he will have to beat Urshel and Jensen

This was potentially a horrible pick by the Ravens. This is why I was so adamant about drafting WR Josh Doctson. Move the team forward instead of drafting a position where a player would not start. Its one of those "What If" picks trying to predict the future. We need a no.1 WR which may be no longer available. We are reactionary not visionary.

  30 minutes ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

Couple issues I have with this:

1. I don't think anybody believes Doctson is a #1 type receiver. He just doesn't have those type of skill sets. If he did, he'd likely be a shoe-in top 5-10 pick.

2. I don't see how Myles Jack falls out of round 1, and I don't suspect Noah Spence will either.

3. It makes more sense to target a veteran WR when Steve Smith leaves than to spend two high picks in a row on guys. 

Doctson I will say in reference to his speed is probably why he is not projected higher. His highlights show everything I'm talking about. Read the NFL draft analysis the only knock they have on him is his size against CB's that press. He can gain weight, but his skill set is rare.

2. Myles Jack report may make him fall especially when a player comes out and says he may only be available for three years. I'm not so sure thats what you want in a first round talent.

3. The picks compliment each other Perriman stretches the field to create space for Doctson underneath to make big plays. Meanwhile, if you double team Doctson that opens up the deep ball for Perriman or throws to Steve Smith.

It could all happen

Mike Mayock you are my best friend. I really hope your analysis comes true for the Ravens. WR should be a top priority when you look at the board considering the board. There are so many defensive players in this draft that we don't need one given when the Ravens pick on clock at #15 assuming we trade back. Josh Doctson will develop into a No.1 receiver, he has great hands, route running, red zone threat, fights for the ball. We don't have that receiver outside of Smith. Who know one seems to acknowledge is leaving next year. You can't keep picking up vet WR's forever (Mason, Boldin, and Smith), so let break that trend in this years draft.

#33 or #36 is going to be a top notch CB period. Its idiotic to draft Ramsey when all the other CB's will more than likely be on the board. All the top Wr will go right before the CB's. There is no chance of you getting a special talent outside of playing the game of luck in the mid rounds. Three Ints, I'm sorry he is just not worth it. I would honestly draft Buckner over Ramsey looking at the board when the Ravens pick overall. Bosa won't start over Sizzle or Dumervil so he is not a day 1 starter. All I'm saying is this get, great talent where great talent is available across the board. Not in getting Ramsey and you have look around at who to get when all the talent picked up around you is CB with your #33 #36 pick. Do what makes the most sense Ravens please.

Here are my picks
#15 Josh Doctson Best WR in the draft
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack
#36 Artie Burns
3rd or 4th Jaylon Smith drafting the top OLB for the future considering we can because we don't need him to play this year. Especially if we draft Noah Spence or Jack.

Don't go for one player when we can legitly come away with a group of future starters on offense and defense!

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

Hey I like Mayock Draft board if the Ravens trade back!
#15 Josh Doctson would solidify receiver core for years to come. You won't find his level of talent later in the draft. Ravens need a No.1 receiver
#33 Noah Spence or Myles Jack Pass Rusher or Jack injury could push him back this far and he will be a starter
#36 Artie Burns

I think WR in the first round is a smart option considering the strength of the draft and the drop off in talent. Not to mention you know Steve Smith is leaving next year. Thats not the case at OLB. The argument for drafting for the future can be made at both positions, plus Baltimore will get a starter day 1. Bosa, does not start considering our team as of now SIzzle and Dumervil. Ramsey only three ints would start, but most likely need a few years as all shutdown CB's. I really love the Josh Doctson pick up in an offense friendly league. Baltimore would have a WR that is a threat after the catch, red zone threat, great route running which they currently don't have on roster outside of Smith. That would be perfect for Baltimore and they could have an awesome receiver tandem that compliment each other in Perriman in Doctson in the following seasons. The defensive players could be picked up with the later picks including the additional one from the Titans.

We should really consider Josh Doctson as a first round pick. He could develop into a true no.1 WR

My whole thing about drafting Joey Bosa is that we still have talent that has not yet played. Kapron Lewis Moore and Brent Urban are valuable replacement for Chris Canty. Kapron lewis Moore considering he is supposed to be at 1st 2nd round talent when drafted. In any case I would rather draft Myles Jack for the same reason the Ravens would draft Jalen Ramsey... He can play multiple positions...

I have to disagree looking at majority of these pick ups for the Ravens...
Mike Wallace could work maybe, but the reason the Ravens got a speedy receiver was because they needed a deep threat to stretch the field, make the offense 3 dimensional, and keep defenses from blitzing and playing 8 in the box. You have Perriman and Flacco is not very accurate throwing the ball. He would do better with one speedy receiver and two possession that can break tackles and get yards after the catch. Eric Weddle at Safety is too crowded. Ladarius Webb still getting paid CB $$$ for FS. Plus Elam and Brooks. Beachum is a Steelers OL and they always get hurt leading to Ben getting hurt. No problem with the guard situation that maybe worth it.

  2 hours ago, EdBallhawkReed20 said:

I'm more concerned with the Joe Flacco issues that have not been addressed. Joe Flacco needs to be able to get the ball to speedy wide receivers. I would rather have TD's than defensive pass interference calls. Get the ball there Joe. If Laquon Treadwell falls back far enough considering he didn't run at the combine. Get him in the 2nd round.

I agree with this too. I love Joe, and he can definitely get the ball downfield, but he's not terribly accurate. That miracle throw to Jacoby in Denver was a serious underthrow, for example. So was Jacoby's touchdown in the super bowl. I feel like the last time I saw him hit a fast receiver in stride was like the second game of Torrey Smith's rookie year.

Funny you said something a lot of fans don't seem to understand. There is a difference between having the ability and actually performing. That's why Torrey Smith is no longer on the team. The Ravens FO couldn't determine how good their WR is they let him go instead of taking the risk of resigning Torrey Smith. We need a possession catcher for the future since their is no spectacular catch big body outside of maybe big maybe on Laquon Treadwell. Flacco needs that type of WR to compensate for his lack of accuracy. My fear is that Permian will out run Flacco and appear to be a bust.

I'm more concerned with the Joe Flacco issues that have not been addressed. Joe Flacco needs to be able to get the ball to speedy wide receivers. I would rather have TD's than defensive pass interference calls. Get the ball there Joe. If Laquon Treadwell falls back far enough considering he didn't run at the combine. Get him in the 2nd round.

I say take Laquon Treadwell! You have a top ten defense in a season where Terrell Suggs only played one game and with the current CB's. You just signed Leslie as a coach to help the team create turnovers. Offensively everyone complains that Flacco has no WR's outside of Steve Smith. Last year 1st round WR didn't play and can go missing off minor injuries as we saw this season. The bigger need obviously is on offense. WR in Baltimore didn't play up to standard and never have for the entire FRANCHISE. Our defense has had bad year(s). Their is a major difference so yes go with the WR.

A fourth round pick for a "project" is somewhat of a gamble. Let's hope it pays off

True I agree (+1 your comment), but also in the 4th round Nichol State CB Ladarius Webb... I wanna see how he reacts with the ball thrown his way game time.

I can't call this... The Ravens are going to have to escape this backup for the backup mentality. Its a nice idea, but just not reasonable... Breshad Perriman needs a back up if he gets hurt (At this point Chris Givens remember when we started the season without one). Just like Terrell Suggs this season, just like all the CB's before him. Zadaqrius was in his first year so I didn't expect Pernell Mcphee numbers. Those results just don't happen everytime. Arthur Jones is getting old if anything, replace him not Terrell. Don't draft an OLB because Zadarius did good considering he had to replace the production of one of the best to ever play at that position. If anything their shouldn't have been any O-line talk but the players who stepped up the year before got hurt (Eugene Monroe before him Bryant McKinnie) and backups didn't step up. The point I'm making is if you keep playing for your old success how can you build a future team.The Ravens offense is so predictable from a team layout for success. It goes No.1 receiver veteran (Derrick Mason, Anquain Boldin, Steve Smith) no.2 receiver burner Torrey Smith, Breshad Perriman, no. 3 receiver is always supposed to be the veteran that supposed to be in the slot at the beginning of the season tat ends up being the no. 1. All our other receivers are supposed to be unique. A prime example campanaro supposed to specifically be a slot no. 3 receiver. Catch 22. is outside of him and Steve Smith, Joe can't depend on anyone to make plays consistently deep down the field. We as fans are expecting the smallest guys to make plays like a bigger receiver. Another receiver at least being a burner (Givens in this case, Demetrius Williams before him). I say stop that trend by drafting Laquon Treadwell over anyone else at any position for this reason alone. He is the answer to you getting the guy you need instead of bringing in veterans all the time. The Ravens organization would finally be giving fans what they want in a player that has the size and can go up and make the play. He is not a burner and doesn't have to be. Just a playmaker that will make the catch when thrown his way. Look at his highlight all I see is him out jumping the defender despite little to no separation. Rather due to good coverage or just poorly thrown passes and still got the job done. That what we are really after at WR in a true no.1 and that kind of describes the play of our veteran WR that end up being our No.1. It would be poor of us as fans to tell our franchise to pick someone else. Reason why is if Dez Bryant, A.J. Green, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald was available tomorrow and we could get them via free agency. We wouldn't jump on the opportunity, so the only possible way the Baltimore will ever get that caliber WR is through DRAFT. All the other positions we needed to draft we acquired starter talent in later rounds (Marshall Yanda best guard in football 5th round, Ladarius Webb 4th round). End your offensive woes, Ramsey, Bosa, Stanley are great players, but this is something that needs to happen right now with that no. 6 pick.You can't say the same thing at WR it is our greatest PRIORITY since 1997! You take no risk trading back being greedy because you don't know when that quality of player will present himself again (Dez Bryant was one pick from a black and purple)!!! Really we aren't a big free agency team to cover up the fact we work in so many packages as a team. We would go broke acquiring talent like that via free agency. We get years of high quality via draft at a cheaper price. Essentially as an organization we have decided its easier to draft a player for a few years to keep our starters for more years and give them breaks in between downs. If they are decent we will offer them an okay contract, but will let them walk to other teams. Which is a lot different from the rest of the league where everybody wants to have an outstanding player (not realistic the talent and the salary cap creates conflict) and thinks our backups were future starters, but in all actuality they just fit well into our system. Moving along in the future, we need to decide are we drafting to win championships or are we drafting to maintain because you can't have it both ways...

1. It's a huge myth that Brady can play with garbage. Go check the gigantic drop in productivity that occurs when Gronk isn't on the field the last couple years. It's eye dropping. For about the last decade, he's one way or another had a lot of really great people to throw to, and when he didn't for short periods of time, it was a pedestrian offense.

2. OK, if Jordy Nelson is the Steve Smith of the Packers, then who is the Randall Cobb for the Ravens that Joe had to throw to? Who's the James Jones of this team that Joe had to throw to this season? Where are those experienced, high producing guys?

If we are going to talk about winning vs not winning, might help to also point out the 5 PPG difference in defense as well, which is a gigantic difference. Not coincidentally, that's larger than the offensive output difference between the two teams.

3. If the argument is that Torrey could have had bigger numbers with Joe, then I'd surely expect him to go elsewhere and have similar productivity. But he didnt, because as the league now knows and as the Ravens already knew, Torrey isn't really the route tree kind of guy. He's the run one route and hope the QB hits him guy, which isn't a good mark for a WR. The league stops that easily.

4. As far as WRs we've drafted, there's Torrey, who Joe almost single handedly made him a huge contract that now looks silly, there's Perriman, Camp, and Waller who are all hurt or late rounders, and then there's a long list of guys who were out of the league before their rookie deal expired. If they were talented and it was Joe's fault...then why are they out of the league? Pretty easy to not get chemistry with guys who weren't good to begin with. That's called wasting time.

1. I get that but Brady finds his way to the playoffs no matter the case which I am still waiting for you to explain to me. Flacco had receivers that produced at this point or another that he had chemistry with... I doubt Marlon Brown all of a sudden forgot how to play football.

2. He had Randall Cobb in Torrey Smith. He has James Jones in Kamar Aiken or Marlon Brown take your pick. Receivers that Flacco at some point had great numbers with all of them. It took Steve Smith for him to realize he ad another receiver on the other side of the field.

3. Put Torrey Smith with Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, etc... I guarantee his numbers are way better than with Flacco. His numbers may increase this year with Chip Kelly in all honesty. Colin Kapernick hasn't played well in a long time and they are debating whether or not to give him up.

4. Hey I'm not trying to disrespect you in any way when I say this, but c'mon how many times does Joe Flacco under throw balls to speed receivers. Torrey Smith had to go back and fight for the ball on most of those calls he got. Thats why a lot of people thought he would be kept because its not his fault. That has 100% percent to do with Flacco. I don't know if you watch the games but Flacco did that consistently week to week. Like I said we led the league in that statistic. If you want to over look Flacco weakness as a QB and blame the players around him you can do that. As I said in #3 Torrey just didn't go to a team with a good QB. Flacco did the same thing to Chris Givens this season. Flacco will more than likely under throw Breshad Perriman as well. Mallett on the other hand 39 yard strike to Givens (Steelers game). Beyond just that game the problems with Flacco are not the same with Mallett. I never saw Mallett be predictable and throw to one guy majority of the game(s). For the first time in a long time our receivers as a unit made plays. Flacco will throw majority of his passes to Steve Smith next season, and it will be another season of blaming WR's unless we draft Laquon Treadwell (I pray we do).     

Could definitely see it happening and my gut says the same about keeping Monroe.

 

Same gut feeling has me thinking we go Treadwell if he impresses at the combine.

 

Question is do the Ravens want to focus on be able to out score teams or limit teams from scoring?

 

Treadwell & Perriman on outside, SSS in slot, and our tight ends would be hella good.

Only fear of getting a CB is the time it may take for them to become that potential shut down guy (although not a top 10 guy, it took Jimmy awhile to develop) Serious question: Do you think a CB at 6 would be ready immediately?

Thank you I couldn't have said this better myself. Please take the WR on this one Ravens. Laquon Treadwell will have an immediate impact as most offensive picks do. All defensive playmakers take time to develop. Even the greats Darrell Revis and so many others took time to develop. Put faith in Leslie Frazier and take a DB and pass rusher in later rounds. Once the pass rush comes back with T-Sizzle. I say don't take any risk trading back because someone could always trade up like the Dez Bryant. My thing is fix the problem you have always had at skill player than fix the problem you have always had. Our defense has played great our entire Franchise even this year a top ten. Offense needs to catch up!

1. Why does this matter? Its not like teams draft WRs so that they can lead the league in pass interference yardage. That's  not a skill set... that's just being inept on defense, which is why you see significant fluctuations in statistics like this. Its like measuring WRs by TD catches... people think because you catch 10 TDs one year that you'll catch 10 TDs every year. Go look at Calvin Johnson's numbers and how large the fluctuations are in statistics like TDs. 

 

2. No, I don't. I don't think any QB in this league can consistently win games and be productive without good players around him. Is Tom Brady impressive when he doesn't have Edelman and Gronk? Go back and watch and tell me what I'm supposed to be impressed by. Aaron Rodgers lost ONE WR this season... Jordy Nelson. How'd that offense to on a week to week basis? If you put a good defense against them, they literally struggled to convert 10 yards.

 

There is not a single QB in NFL history who has ever been productive without quality players around him. Whether that's a RB, WR, OL, defense, etc. It doesn't matter. Teams win SBs and playoff games, not QBs. 

 

3. See #2. Same exact answer.

 

4. He had great chemistry with Boldin, despite the fact that he wasn't here very long. Quite literally dozens examples of this.

 

5. Well, yes, he did play better when Torrey was here. So what does that mean? You mean he plays better when he has better players to play with? O, what a radical concept. You just described 100% of QBs in NFL history. Ever wonder why Brady breaks records when he has Randy Moss to throw to? 

 

I can literally copy and paste your entire post above, and change the words Flacco to Brady, or Rodgers, or any of the other great QBs in this league. When they have better players around them, amazingly, they play better. What a novel concept.

1. It matters can't hit receivers in stride deep down the field. At least not in stride anyway. He hasn't in a long time. Torrey would have had more TD if not more yards his last season. It does matter because production influences the players you keep and the players you let go.

2. Tom Brady has given up a number of players Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Aaron Hernandez, etc... Everybody knows Brady can virtually play with almost anybody. Aaron Rodgers is not crying about not having Greg Jennings. Besides Flacco lost Steve Smith which in this case is Jordy Nelson would be an equivalent. Joes throws this season mainly went to Steve Smith so I feel this is a valid argument Aaron Still won games, plus went to the playoffs. Thats more than I can say for Flacco if you want to make that comparison.

3. I'm hinting to Boldin making Flacco seem better than he actually is as a QB! Before Boldin it was Ray Rice on check downs and Derrick Mason.

4. Boldin didn't really get open and gain separation. He just out jumped defenders for the ball. That isn't chemistry when you are not able to hit receivers down the field with ball. That is more convenience. Analysts even said Flacco throwing to Boldin worked out considering Boldin wasn't fast enough to out run receivers. Flacco lack of accuracy throwing in stride didn't matter as it did with other receivers outside of Boldin (that relationship just worked out) making plays. Anyway I mean that we actually drafted and the fact that you didn't name any, but another veteran receiver proves what i am saying about Joe Flacco to be true. He has never played well with any of the Ravens receivers in 8 years that we drafted! That is a problem...

5. I am saying this... Be a great QB simply because you make plays not just when the dynamics change. Its hinting to what I said earlier in #2. Ravens never had a speedy receiver dynamic changed on offense and all of a sudden the Ravens  offense played better. Tom Brady no longer has Randy Moss and does not need that caliber of player to make it to the post season. Rodgers with Greg Jennings. They continue to make plays. They don't need a speedy receiver (really any particular type) and work with the talent around them and make plays to win games.  Flacco is not that talented and needs all those pieces just for him to make a run. Whoever the veteran receiver specifically gets the bulk of his passes. He does that every year and never really spreads the ball around to his receivers. This year the NFL finally shined light on it. I don't get how other people can't see that.

So if you play well without veterans for one game, you've proven you're a starting caliber QB in this league?

Why no reference to the Cincinnati game? Why no reference to any of the games he played in Houston?

Do none of those matter all of the sudden?

I have a sneaky suspicion that numerous NFL teams don't share your sentiments regarding their accuracy. If they did, something tells me that Clausen would be starting over easily one of the less accurate QBs in the league, Jay Cutler, and that Mallett wouldn't be on his third team, particularly when his last team hasn't had QB stability in years.

The NFL generally does an exceptional job of telling fans who is good and who is not. All you have to do is follow their actions.

In short, Malletts going to have to give a Steelers game like performance at a dozen or more times before he's worth to stand next to Joe in the huddle, because Joe's got dozens of games just like that (and in bigger spots) on his resume. Mallett simply hasn't done nearly enough to earn that.

Let me answers these questions in the order received...

1. I'm not saying that your an all star caliber QB if you don't play with veterans, but I am saying Mallett may have more potential than our current QB Joe Flacco. For instance, I thought Ray Rice should have started over Willis McGahee for years considering the amount of yards he gained when given a chance and all McGahee did was clean up at the end of drives getting TD's that in all honesty belong to Ray Rice. I am just looking at the potential each player has and assessing based on what I see.

2. Mallett almost won that game in Cincinnati and in all honesty didn't look bad. Especially for a player who was only on the team for 19 days... As far as him in Houston I don't know and never followed him before he came to Baltimore. In any case he has played extremely well since he got here hitting multiple receivers in both games. Thats more than I can say for Flacco who has one receiver with more catches than the entire WR core combined!

3. No none of what Mallett did before he got here matters. if what you did yesterday mattered Jacoby Jones would still be on the team... He had his shot as a wide receiver and cracked under the pressure of being a starter and lost confidence his final year after being hit by a rookie safety who happens to play for our team(he never was the same player). Now he has lost his confidence returning punts even when there is no chance of returning or making it beyond the twenty yard line. The name of the game is what have you done for me lately. I felt that Brandon Williams would be as big a star as he is and I have not heard one Raven fan push for Haloti Ngata. We have younger talent and are capable of making the move of letting him go.

4.Mallett is not going to get the chance to play to give you those performances for a while unless Flacco is hurt again or at the start of the season, so essentially that isn't even fair. I see that Mallett is hitting multiple receivers in both games. A lot of fans are making the excuse Flacco never got to play with some of the receivers Mallett was throwing to, but Flacco has never played well withering multiple receivers outside of playoffs where he has the highest QB rating of any QB. 

My problem is people treating Flacco like he is playing at the level he did when we won the Super Bowl. Clearly, he is not... You ignore all the things I say about Flacco and his gameplay. There are QB's playing through injuries that made the playoffs this year. That's not an acceptable excuse that he can't win with the players put around him all the time. That's like Justin Forsett saying I can't run the ball if its not behind Marshall Yanda or Kelechi Osemele. Elite QB's find ways to win games! If you want to help Flacco to another ring get Laquon Treadwell. Looking at his highlights he is going to be great no matter where he goes. You need that type of receiver to catch the passes like Anquain did in crucial situations aside from ensuring Steve Smith doesn't getting hurt by being over used majority of the game. That should be the No. 6 pick hands down if still on the board. Everything else Ozzie has proven can be gained over the draft. 

Answer these questions in regards to Joe Flacco...

1.Why did the Baltimore Ravens lead the league in defensive pass interference penalty yardage the last year of Torrey Smith's contract?

2.Do you honestly feel Joe Flacco has those six playoffs seasons without Ray Rice bailing him out on check downs (Plus the outstanding future hall of famers he had on defense)?

3.Do you think without Anquain Boldin catching those 3rd down jump ball throws by the QB you praise so highly we win the Super Bowl?

4. What player actually has great chemistry with Joe Flacco within his eight year career on this team outside of Dennis Pitta (I can explain why he has that if you like Ray Rice is a running back and he made his own career. Torrey don't count clearly because he got traded. If he was that valuable we would have kept him)?  

5. Did you ever take into account Flacco may have played better at first when Torrey Smith got here because we did not have a speedy receiver and other teams had to adapt to Baltimore being able to stretch the field more (Which nobody did by the way. Thats why we dominated the Steelers after Torrey came to the team and went to the Super bowl shortly after. People are adapting now especially after we won the SB. Matter of fact the year before Torrey got here we lost to the Steelers three times that year.)?