bioLarzen

12 minutes ago, TheGeneticBeastLobster said:

I think he had the lowest percentage in the league of first downs per catch... He's catching everything but still not moving very well.

Since there were guys with a 0% first down rate, I doubt he had the lowest figure...

14 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

If trading up for a WR was so seriously considered, it baffles me as to the reason they didn't select a top 5-10 talent in the best receiving TE to come out in the past several years - OJ Howard. He would be a great move the chains TE and a mismatch on gameday. He would also be a huge upgrade on our oft injured TE group.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2017/05/03/street-talk/ravens-wise-pass-o-j-howard/

I know there's been lots of talk about Boldin returning. I want to hear opinions on Victor Cruz coming in on a cheap contract with incentives to make more. He's only 30 years old.

Sources close to the Giants organization almost all say Cruz has nothing left in the tank, and is no longer anything like he was in his better days.
His case is similar to Dwayne Bowe's, formery of the Chiefs: a permanent fixture for years, productive, reliable - but his body has broken down and his athelticism has gone. It may be worth bringing him in for a look... but I don't think it's wise to expect anything. His NFL career may very well be over.

  9 hours ago, axisofeeble said:

Take a breath,no one except New England wins the Super Bowl in May.Our Offense still is in the mourn-ing wig mode. Flacco needs a run tough 0-line that can make defenses think run on almost every snap so his play action deep throws can come back as good as when we(he) stopped using them because he was on his back too many times before&after mind numbing boring sam'ol,sam'ol ineffective running schemes.Mourn-ing wig is rather vanilla in his play calling schemes,a West Coast offense would be great,if we had a West Coast offense make up. 7-9 looking up at Steelers and Bengals on top. Patriots WIN!

They have a pretty good record of winning it in Feb as well. 

10/10

  8 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

  8 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

So glad Ozzie and Co. will let us see the WR we have already saving a bunch of doe! The Ravens are not a rest haven for veterans! Dean Pees did good with our Defense last season #7 but bad play calling bad routes and Joe throwing lame ducks get our Defense over used and when they have one bad play we loose the game! Raiders jets and giant games I blame Joe and the play calling! Yup! Wanna be elite put the games away period point blank!

Put away the games, like scoring to go ahead in the last miniutes only to see the defense give up a late game winning drive leaving no time for a rebuttal drive? Like the Raiders game, like the Giants game, like the Steelers game, like the Redskin game, etc 

Joe needs to play better and he will with an improved line and run game, he got better as the season went on which was encouraging. Camp doesn't stay healthy and has barely played, as it stands there is no possession WR on this team, I guess Pitta

Sorry, our Offense lost most of our games last year. The Defense won more than half of our wins. Look at the scores. We failed to score 20 points 7 different times. The number would be higher if it weren't for garbage time TD's against prevent defense.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't draft the best players and stack our defense. Flacco can't consistently win without a dominant defense or a stacked offense. Better to have one than none right?

The Raiders game, the Giants game, the Steelers road game - in all three the O put the Ravens in the position where all we needed was the D to stop their O one more time to win - and they failed. And if the Eagles don't go for 2 at the dyiong seconds of the game, the lowly Eagles would have put the game to overtime too.
Yep, technically this is still less than "most" of our losses, but it's not true that all the other 5 losses were due purely to the O.

I would say the true image was that we had a rather pedestrian O that could seldom rise to the occasion and a very good D with a knack of giving away close games at the very end.

There was not one moment I wished Burfict was a Raven. Not one.

19 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

I think Bisciotti is happy with mediocrity.

Yep - hugely successful businessmen are notorious for being content with mediocrity...

1 hour ago, Godfather A said:

I find it interesting that based upon last year's limited performance, we have completely written off Keenan Reynolds as a potentially productive receiver.

Well, since there is no prior experience to lean on... It's kinda hard to base any trust on anything... The sad truth about Reynolds is that he got way, way waaaaay more publicity and limelight than his projected role would have indiocated. He was a 6th round pick converterd to a position shich was new to him... and yet, he was dealt with like a first round pick... Of course lots of fans though he'd be something special on the field... only to be disappointed when he was cut (and then resigned to the PS). The truth was that while he is truly a great guy, one to look up to and edmire, on the field he is a totally, wholly unproven WR with no experience in the position. And as soon as all the stardust settled as the season went on, it became quite clear that he would more probably than not, end up being no more than a return guy.

That's in no way against him, you see. It's against all that fake limelight he received when he was drafted. That's what shouldn't have happened. Players like Willie Henry who's still projected to become a more substantial player than Reynolds, got a fraction of a fraction of the limelight and publicity... Pierce, who became an impact player from a nondescript UDRFA virtually overnight, got less publicizty than Reynolds in those few months... Sad, but there's your media today: to make a sensation out of anything possible. Even out of a 6th round pick and treat it like the steal of the draft... Instead of not puttiong any unnecessary extra weight on him, and tzreat him like what he was: a project player who could even become a role player one day. I guarantee you Reynolds himself would have preferred that way...

One cannot help wondering... just how hard is it for any fan to grasp the notion that the draft is NOT the last chance to add players to the roster? How hard one must ignore news to miss all the sea of news every single summer that this or that team added new guys to the roster - months AFTER the draft? How removed from reality one must be not to know that a roster is as far from its final, finished version in the first day of May, 4 months before the start of the season, as it can be? Who doesn't know that Steve Smith, Owen Daniels, Jacoby Jones, Vonta Leech were all added to the roster WELL AFTER the draft - just to name a few key late additions?

Who worries that all 53 players ending on the Ravens final roster in September, are already on the roster now?

Yes, one doesn't have to know the intricate details to be a fan. But we're talking about basics here...

  14 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  16 hours ago, JamesA119 said:

  16 hours ago, RavenInWoodlawn said:

LOL Jaime, please point out all these players the team invested in supporting Joe after the Super Bowl. We won the Super Bowl and on the back of Joe, and promptly traded away his go to guy, spent all the savings and cap money we had on defensive guys...half of whom were total busts and didn't last half the season, and then in the following 2 drafts...2013 and 2014, we had 7 picks in the top 3 rounds...and spent 6 of the 7 on defensive players!

That's not surrounding Joe with all the tools and weapons he needed to succeed. Jamie what in the world have you been watching since then?

Mr Woodlawn I can't tell you how disappointed I get when I hear the argument that Flacco carried us to the Super Bowl on his back. He surely played well (11 TD, 0 int) Did you watch Peyton Manning's post game interview after the mile high miracle? Reporters asked him why he didn't throw long much of the game. His response? " ... with #20 back there .... had to be careful with pushing the ball downfield ..."
The mile high miracle pass was awesome. It was really just short of a Hail Mary pass. That game ended on an int by Corey Graham a defensive player. The AFC championship in New England: we held the Patriots scoreless in the second half. We were down 17-7 at the half and won 27-17. People always down play the incredible play of the defense because of Flacco's offensive out put in that playoff run.

With all due respect... In 2012 Manning was no longer in the physical condition to just "push the ball downfield"... As the cold weather set in, he was reported to experience a numbness in the tips of his fingers which admittedly bothered him when throwing more longer than short passes, for example...
And I don't think it's even fair to start analyzing if it was the O or the D which took the Ravens to and then won the Super Bowl - it was the combined effort of both.

That's what I would say. But there are fans who literally think that Flacco put on his cape and told everybody else "... come ride with me.." That my friend is delirious.

Sure, that is quite far from the truth, too.

Ah, I hoped we'd haul in LB Ben Boulware (he signed with the Panters) - wouldn't it have been the perfect throwback to have Siragusa and Boulware back in Baltimore? :D

Honestly I hope that Kenny Bell makes this team - I really, really liked him coming out of the draft 2 years ago. He made a ton of plays at Nebraska. Hopefully he spent the last 2 seasons improving and breaks out this year with us similar to how Aiken did.

As far as I can remember, he wasn't really a factor in Tampa Bay...

  25 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Does anyone know if Jon Toth has sigend with another team? He was one of the mid-to-late round Centers mocked to the Ravens in quite several mocks. I klnow he went undrafted - but I don't know if he's still available or ha been signed by another team as an UDRFA...

I saw where he is gonna sign with the 49ers

Oh, i see.
Thanks for the info.

13 minutes ago, gooftroop said:

Anybody here remember how our defense played in 2012? Or are you confusing that defense with the 2000 squad?

It was the defense that kept the Patriots at 13 points in the AFC Championship game, with a big goose egg for the entire second half...

So yeah, it wasn't a very bad defense...

1 hour ago, JamesA119 said:

1 hour ago, RavenInWoodlawn said:

LOL Jaime, please point out all these players the team invested in supporting Joe after the Super Bowl. We won the Super Bowl and on the back of Joe, and promptly traded away his go to guy, spent all the savings and cap money we had on defensive guys...half of whom were total busts and didn't last half the season, and then in the following 2 drafts...2013 and 2014, we had 7 picks in the top 3 rounds...and spent 6 of the 7 on defensive players!

That's not surrounding Joe with all the tools and weapons he needed to succeed. Jamie what in the world have you been watching since then?

Mr Woodlawn I can't tell you how disappointed I get when I hear the argument that Flacco carried us to the Super Bowl on his back. He surely played well (11 TD, 0 int) Did you watch Peyton Manning's post game interview after the mile high miracle? Reporters asked him why he didn't throw long much of the game. His response? " ... with #20 back there .... had to be careful with pushing the ball downfield ..."
The mile high miracle pass was awesome. It was really just short of a Hail Mary pass. That game ended on an int by Corey Graham a defensive player. The AFC championship in New England: we held the Patriots scoreless in the second half. We were down 17-7 at the half and won 27-17. People always down play the incredible play of the defense because of Flacco's offensive out put in that playoff run.

With all due respect... In 2012 Manning was no longer in the physical condition to just "push the ball downfield"... As the cold weather set in, he was reported to experience a numbness in the tips of his fingers which admittedly bothered him when throwing more longer than short passes, for example...
And I don't think it's even fair to start analyzing if it was the O or the D which took the Ravens to and then won the Super Bowl - it was the combined effort of both.

That sounds all nice - but going back to the good old tried-and-true philosophy of putting it all on the shoulders of the D will make it very, very hard to justify a QB at the top of the payroll list... It's like saying I'll take the train to work, but still keep my Lexus...
If they really want to win with the D, Flacco is a luxury. Ryan Mallett is more than capable of manging a Dilfer-like role.

I'm not saying Flacco should be cut, of course - it's just that it's not this easy to "just make a shift"... As long as we have an expensive QB we simply cannot say the O will be the service department to the D

Ozzie has had no success in drafting WRs... maybe he will do better with undrafted players.

... or by veteran acquisitions... Contrary to his general failure to draft good WR's, he's had quite a success bringing in vested veteran blood... It's enough to think of Quadry Ismail, Derrick Mason, Boldin, Steve Smith and Wallace... and even Houshmanzadeh had his purple-and-gold moments (last minute winning TD catch in Pittsburgh... anybody?). Lee Evans was the odd-one-out...
So, mayb missing out on the top WR's in the draft won't hurt that much if he can bring in another veteran via a trade or waiver wire...
Or maybe Boldin... Though I guess he'll get a more lucrative offer from closer to his Florida home...

Does anyone know if Jon Toth has sigend with another team? He was one of the mid-to-late round Centers mocked to the Ravens in quite several mocks. I klnow he went undrafted - but I don't know if he's still available or ha been signed by another team as an UDRFA...

  11 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I gotta say the Ravens defense is gonna be elite in 2017 for sure. The only thing l wish they did was gotten Rueben Foster in the 1st and got a corner later but hey Humphrey is ok and Ozzie must be worried about his shoulder. Did'nt do nothing to approved the offense, but we got the cuts and also got 2018 to improved that. 2017 will be a decent year, but 2018 will be a scary team. 👍

Yeah i agree they should have picked Rueben Foster.

Too bad our stupid owner listens to Ozzie instead of you :D

I'm on board with making the defense solid but we can't abandon the offense like this. Flacco needs protection as he said he'll wear the brace again so we gotta protect our qb or were gonna have a huge problem competing with other teams in our division. I'm also wondering why we passed on so many quality wr for defensive players,i guess we all will find out how this situation will turn out when the season starts.

To be quite honest, with Mohrningweg retained, I see no reason to really expect anything from the O. With Steve Smith, Juszczyk, Wagner and Aiken gone, I cannot see a stronger Ravens offensive roster for 2017, even if Ben Watson is healthy and we get either (or both of) Boldin or Mangold, and I haven't the slightest trust in Mohrninweg's alleged offensive system - therefore I see no reason to hope for a better O... and selecting no offensive weapon early in the draft hasn't really made a difference.

Love Bowser,Williams,Siragusa picks. So so on others. Im sure i'll warm up to Humphrey if he turns into a stud.

Rnd 5, pick up a offensive weapon please.

I'm not sure you'll find a real "weapon" in round #5... Certainly not a guy who's projected to have a chance to make any kind of instant impact - those guys are long gone.

The top rated guys we could make great us of, still on the board for day #3:

Caleb Brantley DT
would have probably been off the board no later than round #2, but he hit a woman, so he's surely off Ozzie's board.

Dede Westbrook WR
Starting caliber potential - but the speedster kind we already have enough of, probably never a good possession/slot receiver, so not really the kind of reaciver we are looking for at this point. Also, good chance to see him picked well before we're on the clock.

Dorian Johnson OG
This guy would be my dream pick for us in round #4. A position of need, a guy who definitely has the potential to become a starter... Too bad he also has a good chance to hear his name called well before we're on the clock...

Chad Hansen WR
He could be a contributor as a possession type receiver - but he's already in the "more probably a backup than a heavy contributor" region.

David Sharpe OT
Needs to improve, but has the potential to become a starter. Projected to go in rounds 2-3, he also has a fair chance to be scooped up early today.

Carl Lawson OLB
Would probably be of thje board by now if not for injuries. Also, I guess we're done with pass rushers for this draft

Zach Brown OT
Could never become more than depth, but has the potential to rise.

  7 hours ago, Ravensfansince03 said:

Don't worry about it Ryan, just don't worry about it. We needed to address our defense OK. This is Ravens town, AKA defense. Just let the big boys handle business.

Good job Ozzie, and evrybyelse who had to do with us getting these phenomenal picks. Step one... address this defense. Next year we will add more to our offense.

you know if harbs don't make the playoffs there is no next year for him right I'm happy with our picks except Chris Wormley Ive seen him play a lot and he lacks production and takes plays off so IMO this was a reach

I don't think Harbaugh feels such a pressure - even if he was fired from Baltimore, he'd have a new HC gig in a day. Even with his rather pedestrian last 3 seasons, his overall track record is still rather impressive.

Joe Flacco will just have to play up to his contract. I see Carl Lawson,Desmond king or Corn Elder as Raven on day 3. My pick CORN ELDER !CORN ELDER!

I'm not trying to defend Flacco's 2016 season - he was plain bad, let's face it - but it's kinbda hard to play up to your contract when most of the time you're running for your life because the O-line cannot protect you well. And right now our O-line is in shambles...

Since it's wiser not to count on day 3 rookies making significant impact in their rookie seasons, I wonder if, after an all-defense first two days of the draft it is time to start the Boldin/Mangold to Baltimore bandwagons.

... and that would still leave the vacancy at the RT position unaddressed... But at least the late-free agency priorities are now clear: offense, offense and once again, offense...

Plus a true ILB when one becomes available...