krnraven

In hindsight, it's good we didn't draft a receiver high. We need to run the ball more anyway and another receiver would just make marty & joe go pass happy again. Plus outside the first 3 rounds I doubt there would have been a receiver that would have come in and changed things so please put the pitch forks down.

This defense will be very stout and may the best in the NFL by season's end. Pees finally does not have to be scared that the coverage will be blown due to poor play by secondary. Chris Hewitt's turn to prove that he was not the reason the secondary has been so trash since his arrival.

We will have the best secondary in the NFL cause of this. CBS are a premium for years now even White from LSU went in the first. Does he grab a little too much and need to work on finding the ball? yes. but he was the 2nd rated CB and that can be cleaned up. You can't teach speed, height and tenacity. plus Foster and Allen had medical flags.

No one knows BAMA players better than OZ. We don't need 7 TEs. Pass rushers are a deep class too.

Good Job FO!! We can get OL, pass rusher and WR today depending how the board falls. We might be selecting BAMA players back to back.

Oz made a good choice. I would have been upset if we drafted Howard. Did yall even watch the draft??? Oz has the inside scoop on everything BAMA so he had reason to pass on Allen and Foster. This was BPA that we really needed. Now we can actually blitz and not worry about receivers running free. The secondary has been a weakness for sometime now and Carr wasn't going to fix that.

It would be funny if we got Cam Robinson in the second.

Now you're just making excuses for your weak argument.

Yes, it's possible that some draft picks don't work out. What are you not going draft and fill every hole via FA because of the chance of the pick not panning out? No. At some point you have to draft for positions and we have a scouting dept whose job is to scout these players.

The draft lines up us for CB but we will not take 1 in the first 2 rounds. There are quality starters within those rounds despite what you may think that would be same or better than Carr and younger + cheaper.

Come draft time you will see I was right.

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

8 hours ago, krnraven said:

  8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

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  9 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne.

But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2.

Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two.

Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two.

There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

 

It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there.

  4 hours ago, krnraven said:

  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Nice move FO. Keep working those phones.

I highly doubt we pick Howard at 16 even if he is there. We need corners and need to address one of these spots in the first 2 rounds and this draft has plenty of good options.

With Jones hurt we'll either trade back and grab Conley or stay and take a pass rusher. Then get another corner on day 3.

Hopefully that does not mean we offered more than others for Claiborne like we did with B Will. We need to draft a CB in first 2 rounds.

  53 minutes ago, krnraven said:

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Don't see the need for Claiborne with such a deep draft class at the position. Plus cbs cost a lot on the market. Let's get back to the Raven way and build via the draft and UDFAs. FO seems to be losing their touch.

Signing Claiborne obviously wouldn't stop us from drafting a corner. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Even if all we do is draft a corner, that basically gives you Jimmy, Young (who is better in the slot) and a rookie.

Not exactly the depth we are looking for, especially when you're #1 corner misses time often.

When it comes to Corner, you're probably looking at a cheap veteran signing AND a decent draft pick, not OR a decent draft pick.

They do have something do with each other. It means we have don't sign a FA Cb whose price is high due to demand. And we can draft two CBs. One oft injured cb to alleviate another oft injured cb is not a plan.

And those FA cbs have worked out recently.

1. We have no clue what Claiborne's price is. So far, there's been very little discussion of him at all in FA, which means he's highly unlikely to be part of the first wave of higher paid players. You're just guessing that his price would be high.

2. We could still draft two corners if we signed him... again, that stops nothing from happening in the draft.

You're also probably highly unlikely to sign a corner who doesn't get injured or draft a corner who won't get injured, because, frankly, corners get injured a lot. You can go back and look at the history of our franchise and you'll see a lot of corners that have been injured multiple times.

You're right, those FA CBs haven't worked out recently. And neither have the draft picks.

Its the hardest position in the league in my opinion to evaluate and get your money's worth out of, save for maybe QB.

You're gambling in either scenario.

All else equal the draft is the way to go which is supposed to be our philosophy anyway.

Paying for a corner who was on one of the worst cover teams last year who is also not as durable is not remedying the issue. You're right I don't know the price but I know the market. Just look at what Wright got last year. This is the market unfortunately which shows in all these inflated contracts lately.

When we have to eat the dead money for all those failed deals which were not that hard to see at the time that they were not worth it. And people wonder where our cap space went? We need to build via the draft to combat the excess cap space of other teams.

The draft picks on CBs have actually panned out well: Tavon Young a 4th round corner played better than Arrintgton, Wright and any other FA cb they brought in the last 5 years. Webb played good corner for his first contract tenure. And Smith was well worth the 1st rounder.

Pass rusher, safety for some odd reason and WR are the positions that seem to always allude us in the draft but I would still keep trying to build via the draft we all know we can't hit on every draft pick but not to try is absurd.

  1 hour ago, krnraven said:

Don't see the need for Claiborne with such a deep draft class at the position. Plus cbs cost a lot on the market. Let's get back to the Raven way and build via the draft and UDFAs. FO seems to be losing their touch.

Signing Claiborne obviously wouldn't stop us from drafting a corner. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Even if all we do is draft a corner, that basically gives you Jimmy, Young (who is better in the slot) and a rookie.

Not exactly the depth we are looking for, especially when you're #1 corner misses time often.

When it comes to Corner, you're probably looking at a cheap veteran signing AND a decent draft pick, not OR a decent draft pick.

They do have something do with each other. It means we have don't sign a FA Cb whose price is high due to demand. And we can draft two CBs. One oft injured cb to alleviate another oft injured cb is not a plan.

And those FA cbs have worked out recently.

Don't see the need for Claiborne with such a deep draft class at the position. Plus cbs cost a lot on the market. Let's get back to the Raven way and build via the draft and UDFAs. FO seems to be losing their touch.

What's with all the retreads lately? Torrey was good for us as a draft pick.

But, he had issues like all ravens wide receivers in getting separation when pressed in man coverage. We don't need more bad FA deals. If Torrey is less than 4 mil a year fine. Anything more than that you need to fill via the draft.

Best of luck Doom and thank you for all you have done in your time with us. This man does own our single season sack record.

The two of the worst players on the team. Hooray!

Wagner was pretty good despite what y'all might think. Problem is Ravens had issues finding good RTs before using a 1st rounder on Oher. We're still trying to draft our future pass rushers and safeties from needs that were 2 years ago and and counting.

Overpaying is not good, but the inability to replace players that leave with free agent busts and less than stellar drafts is not good either.

Get Joe a QB coach or face another losing season due to his sloppy mechanics. If Joe's throwing motion is wrong will they say something? I doubt it.

To simplify: The Ravens need to get THIER butt in gear.

Ditto!! We have better players than Pats overall. Our coaches need better game plans and adjustments.

The past few years our needs and the board lined up nicely and the FO still messed up. Hopefully they can get it right this year. That Correa pick then moving him to MLB kills me.

Finally some good news. Happy to have Roman on board and hopefully Dennison is added as well. Bye Bye Castillo!!! I am glad he is gone. The Frazier loss hurts and but promoting Chris Hewitt is definitely not the answer!

  1 hour ago, krnraven said:

Lethargic Joe Succo. How many 1 yard passes are you going to attempt? It is really sad that the entire staff could not make adjustments to deal with 3 and 4 man rushes with zone behind it. Outclassed badly.

Where is the Flacco meter at today? Garbage.

I totally get your frustration and feel it too but that has everything to do with receivers not gaining separation, and not Flacco sucking... It's QB 101 -- if no one is open down field and the pass rush is in your face, hit the check down, scramble, or throw away. The problem is you cant get a first down with three check down passes in a row -_- and that's on the OC because it's an offensive design flaw or it's on the WR coach b/c the receivers are not running routes well. Also, here was Flacco's stat line, given there was no run game and the Pats were dropping 6-8 guys into coverage, he actually did pretty well. 37/52 (71%), 324 yds, 2TD, 1INT (laziness by Wallace and questionable no PI call), 92.1 QBR.

Oh Joe was sucking despite what the misleading stat line says. Had it not been for the gifted TOs he would not have had the 2 tds. Offense could not stay on the field for more than 4 minutes.

There were receivers open on some plays. Plus with a zone you can hang in the pocket and wait for the soft spots. Remember Mattison???? Joe is too anxious and is hurting us.
There was no running game because coach hardhead neglects to run. And have you seen a two minute offense from Joe? It's like watching grass grow. My frustration is that the same problems occur and that we are not getting better even 14 weeks later.

Pats have less skilled players than we do yet they contend every year due to exceptional coaching.

Lethargic Joe Succo. How many 1 yard passes are you going to attempt? It is really sad that the entire staff could not make adjustments to deal with 3 and 4 man rushes with zone behind it. Outclassed badly.

Where is the Flacco meter at today? Garbage.

Funny how now fans have put down the purple shades and stopped drinking the purple koolaid to see that this team is average at best. This was evident when we were 3-0.

The entire secondary outside Jimmy Smith, Weddle and Tavon Young are garbage and should be released after the season. Joe is an average QB with an elite arm. OZ's wasted picks in rounds 2-3 again.

That said, I hold out a little hope that we can turn it around before it's too late. Next week at Jets will be critical turning point.

Embarrassing defeat. FO needs to take a long look at themselves and this crappy roster. We need a new secondary and this years crop of pass rushers has yielded 0 returns. Should have spent that Correa pic on a corner. Webb needs to go as he's useless back there.

And what's with all these freaking injuries. Do y'all serve milk over there in Owings Mills? Sheesh.