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    12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

    Yeah that's a tough weigh in for Smith.  I guess those rumors were wrong.  Still my number one player prior to the injury, but with that and his weigh in, I don't see him as any sort of fit here.  On top of that...

    Difficult day for #NotreDame LB Jaylon Smith, who had his medicals. Ankle & knee nerve issues, teams believe he's out for 2016 -- at least

     

    Oof that's rough. Likely ends up falling out of the first round or even off boards completely if that nerve damage is real.

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    3 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Negged the other post because it ignores context (you know the crippling knee injury) 

    whats sad about these measurements for jack is that he has the tools but doesnt use them consistently while jaylon has lesser tools but used them a bit better imo

    Doesn't use this consistently...ok sure. Jack does pretty much everything you can ask an off the ball linebacker to do and then some.

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    33 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

    Exactly. Bosa all day (though I am starting to warm up to Buckner) 

    I don't think you can go wrong with either, but to me Bosa provides a greater overall package at a bigger need position. It doesn't hurt that he can kick inside and rush the passer as well. I saw a comp to Michael Bennett somewhere which makes a lot of sense. I think Bosa is more athletic though.

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    3 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

    I can't believe Robert Nkemdiche just threw threw Tunsil under the bus. Not only did Robert admit that he was drunk when he fell out the window, but also that Tunsil was in the hotel room as well. I'm not even sure why Robert even admitted to being drunk, after Johnny Football's partying teams are going to be extra careful about players who like to spend more time partying. Robert is already a big risk for any team but he just made it worse. I can't see him going in the first two rounds.

    Being honest isn't going to hurt him at this point. Also, I'll bet every single team already knew that Tunsil was there with him. I think he is helping himself, but we shall see. I'd be surprised if he lasts past the top 15 picks.

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    16 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    For kendricks, watch his tape from college. He is pretty damn good coverage 

    You can't grade him on what he didn't do. If that's the case, then I can say none of Jack's measurements will matter since they wont be graded on the same field as the combine participants (not electrically timed)

    Im not suggesting he is just a coverage linebacker. I am suggesting that the thing that makes him valuable is his coverage ability an idk how much teams value that based on other linebackers with above average to very good coverage ability have faired. Jack is special, but idk if the nfl values that enough given past experience with athletic linebackers who excelled in coverage (see mychael kendricks)

    I went to UCLA so trust me, I'm well aware that Kendricks was good in coverage. I'm just pointing out that limited athleticism will drop a LB because even if his instincts and skills are really good at the college level, he will be facing much bigger and faster competition. 

    FWIW, the older Kendricks is super athletic, but he has struggled throughout his career in coverage. Athleticism =/= good in coverage. It's those special players that possess both the skill and the athleticism like Jack.

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    49 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Well like I said I don't disagree with Jack's natural talent nor his would be position and the requirements of that position. 

    Also like I said, I acknowledge Kendricks isn't the athlete Jack is ( I think i said cover guy but w/e). However, they are roughly the same skill set. Jack is just a freak athlete when it comes down to it. This skill set (on its own) was not valued as it should have been by 32 franchises. I really don't see that much difference in the skill set of Kendricks vs Jack. Jack is a supremely rare athlete that can excel in coverage but Kendricks is far from a slouch in that area and is also athletic (just not to the degree Jack is). Seriously Jack is a once in a decade athlete at the position. Keuchley probably isn't on a comparable level of athleticism. Not being as athletic as Jack shouldn't be a knock on Kendricks or reason why he dropped and its definitely not an indicator of Kendricks ability in coverage. So Jack gets a bump for the athleticism, but you still wonder how much that athleticism bumps him up. 

    Basically what I am trying to say here is that while Jack is a rare athlete who can excel in coverage, how much is that actually worth to franchises? We saw with Kendricks it wasn't much and almost every franchise missed. Obv teams running a 43 scheme value that highly given thats the linebackers role and those responsibilities do no require him to be a great pass rusher or to sift through piles. 

    For a comp

    Eric Kendrick combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/eric-kendricks?id=2552312

     

    Keuchley's combine: http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/luke-kuechly?id=2533056

     

    Pretty similar except for strength and obviously the tape. Obv Keuchley is taller and a little heavier, but the point still stands. 

     

    For fun here is Mychael Kendricks who is probably more athletic than either of them 

     

    http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/mychal-kendricks?id=2532890

     

    For some reason, the NFL doesn't value solely coverage linebackers extremely high unless they run a 4-3. If I had to guess why, it's probably due to the fact that they'd rather address it via scheme with slot corners and nickel and dime packages (probably easier and more effective).

     

    Kuechly is an elite athlete for the ILB position http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/164/

    Kendricks, not so much. http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/4925/

    Kendricks also didn't run the shuttles or 3C, but based off his 10yd split, it's probably not great. He has good coverage instincts, but the speed, quickness and fluidity isn't there.

    Neither are close to what Jack is in terms of coverage ability. He's played 100+ of snaps as a slot CB and covered everyone he's seen exceptionally well. That's unique and despite what you are trying to suggest, Jack is far from "just a coverage LB". He's physical in the run game and has better range as a tackler than pretty much anyone at the position.

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    19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    I believe he can, too, but I don't think it'll be on the Ravens. If a that runs the Tampa 2 takes him, he's gonna tear it up. He's gonna be another Derrick Brooks. However, I just woulnd't pass up on Bosa, Buckner, or Ramsey for Jack. I think Jack is supremely talented, but I view him as being best in a 4-3.

    I'm in a fairly wait and see approach on Webb. Hill was allowed to cover tight ends with Stewart on the backend, who I'd say is not a single high safety at all. I'd say it's gonna be more dependent on the corner play. If Jimmy returns 100% healthy (which he should) and if Wright gets re-signed and plays anywhere near the post 49ers level, I think that'll allow Hill to play more man. 

    I'm still very high on Mosley. I don't know about you, but I felt his ability to flow sideline to sideline and cover tight ends/running backs was a huge strength at Alabama. Corners usually take a few years to develop, so I wasn't worried about Mosley taking a little longer to develop in coverage. If he struggled this year, I'd lose hope, but I'm still high on his potential.

    I would agree that they need something better than Daryl Smith, however, I don't think that needs to come through pick 6 overall. I think there are more pressing needs that can't easily be filled later, whereas starting linebackers are usually easy to find for the Ravens.

    Don't get me wrong, I think Jack is one of the premiere talents in the draft and I think the Jags and Cowboys will have a tough time passing on him, but I'm not sure I like the value for the Ravens.

    Don't get me wrong, I would take Ramsey or Bosa over Jack for sure. I think Buckner would be the more interesting question. I'd lean towards Jack because I think he helps the team more on passing downs. A predominantly Tampa 2 scheme is frankly wasting Jack's ability imo. He's better served in a defense that uses their LBs in man coverage.

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    8 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    See I kinda disagree with some of this

    Jack reminds me more of Anthony Barr (no UCLA thing intended), in that he is a fantastic athlete and okay football player that can develop into a great player. 

    Keuchley was not only a phenomenal athlete, but a fantastic football player. Unlike Jack, there was really nothing to nitpick with his game or tape imho. 

    Jack's strengths are obvious, but he does have weaknesses that have caused linebackers to drop. Eric Kendricks (again see Barr. No UCLA intended) was a first rounder to me last yr and while he isn't Jack in coverage (no one is) he was exceptional in that area and fell to the 2nd. 

    I question Jack's pass rushing ability, ability to sort through traffic (altho I will admit you'd want him at WILB so why would you want to waste the skill set here), and if he is able to disengage from blocks after being engaged (very few examples of this - likely because of positions he was asked to play). 

     

     

    I think Jack's ability in coverage as a LB is an extremely unique skill-set. I don't recall ever seeing a LB be able to cover in man how he can. In part that is due to his athleticism, but he's not just an athlete. He has great instincts and he makes a ton of plays all over the field because of it. Kendricks isn't close to his level of athleticism which is probably the main reason he dropped.

    In the Ravens scheme, they keep the ILBs pretty clean, and the weakside LB in particular is free to attack gaps because the DT plays over the weakside OG with the OLB/Leo playing the OT.

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    1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    Inside linebackers are important, as is every single position, but the inside linebacker is the least important. Sure, Jack could cover tight ends or running backs, but so could Will Hill. He showed that he could effectively line up against the Jimmy Graham's and Antonio Gates' in 2014. He's a much better man cover safety than deep safety, if you ask me. 

    Sure, he probably will do better, just like how CJ Mosley has done better, but even CJ Mosley wouldn't be the make or break difference for an elite 3-4 defense the way a Joey Bosa, DeForest Buckner, or Jalen Ramsey could be. 

    So, you're telling me you saw a noticeable difference in the defense if Mosley or Daryl Smith subbed out? Probably not, honestly. You probably didn't even notice they did sub out the majority of the time.

    Okay, so let's say the Ravens had a NT rated as a 9.0 and a DE as 8.9. Who are you taking? BPA clearly says NT, but oh wait, they already have a great NT, but hey, they can't take need into consideration with BPA. They're likely to get an elite player or one at the very top of their board (considering they will likely exclude quarterbacks) regardless if he's BPA or just an elite prospect. 

    I tend to agree that ILB isn't an overly important position in a 3-4 defense, but having great ILBs can be a gamechanger, especially ILBs with the skills that Jack possesses. He's the best LB prospect to come out since Kuechly and he's been a DPOY candidate pretty much from the get go. I completely believe that Jack can have that kind of impact.

    Having Hill cover TEs is an option, but that stretches the secondary thinner. That means single high safety and we don't have a good single high safety. 

    Jack allows 2 high man while still having a dynamic coverage guy in the middle. If Mosley can improve which he still could, a huge weakness becomes a very big strength. Even if Mosley continues to stink in coverage, having a guy next to him that can take on the majority of coverage responsibilities makes a huge difference.

    I think we can all agree that we need an upgrade at ILB next to Mosley. Daryl Smith showed his age last year, and he isn't getting any younger. Whether that answer is Jack or someone else, it needs to happen.

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    19 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Mcphee had the body type for it. They didnt. 

     

    Also youre taking what i said out of context and you know it. Yes interior disruption is an asset, but that is not a 34 linemens job in the scheme

    McPhee is listed at 6'3"/275, ZDS is listed at 6'4"/275, Upshaw at 6'2"/272. All 3 of them have similar builds, they just aren't as talented or in ZDS' case maybe hasn't developed yet.

    I'm not taking anything out of context. There are very good 3-4 DEs across the league who give a much more substantial pass-rush than what Ravens DEs have done in recent years. 

    3-4 scheme doesn't matter when the team is in sub-packages 60% of the time. We need someone who can disrupt the QB from the interior

    16 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

    34 defenses that have good interior rushers do tend to do better. Like the Cardinal's defense.

    Or the Steelers or the Jets or the Broncos

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    2 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    To be fair, pass rushing for 34 linemen is a luxury. They are mainly there to eat blocks for linebackers and clean up the run

    The vast majority of pass-rush snaps come from a 4 man front. Interior pass-rush is very important no matter what the base D alignment is. This lack of interior rushers is why guys like Pernell McPhee and Upshaw/ZDS have been moved inside on passing downs. McPhee excelled in that role, Upshaw/ZDS not so much.

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    Just now, L.A.Ravens said:

    Jernigan is good. Potential to be great. Brandon williams anchors the middle of the line. The first two picks to need to be towards pass rush off the edge and secondary.

    Pass rush from the interior is just as disruptive if not more-so than off the edge. Williams is not a pass-rusher, and he will be a FA. Carl Davis is still an unknown quantity. 

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