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    9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    You're right, they have to be at least physically capable to make the throws. Foles showed in 2013 that he was physically capable of making the throws that the system asked him to make. Peyton Manning was physically incapable of making most of the throws. 

    But think back to 2013 when he had a far better team and exceeded expectations. Matt Flynn in spot duty for the Packers (with some loaded receiving groups), Josh McCown when he had Jeffrey, Marshall, and Bennett, Dalton in 2015. 

    Matt Flynn played about 2 games  and has shown his true colors since then. McCown might be a better example, but he still played decently with other teams since then. 

    When Foles had his "breakout" season, it was well documented the amount of turnover luck and bailouts from his WRs that were needed to make him look as good as he did. He was also in an offense tailored to make easy decisions to open receivers. 

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    11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

     

    Sorry, I forgot he hadn't lost Maclin until 2015. He still had him in 2014. 

    But here's the fact of the matter- when you put enough talent around a player, he's going to succeed. Remember how everyone used to laugh at Andy Dalton for being a mediocre quarterback? What did he do in 2015? Oh, that's right- he put up MVP type numbers. Why? Because the team around him was absolutely stacked. Oh, and this doesn't even include the fact that AJ McCarron came in and played well enough that people thought he would be a better option than Dalton, which again, goes back to how stacked that team is.

    Am I reasonably expecting elite or even great quarterback play? No, I'm not. But the Broncos showed they could win with Peyton "AARP" Manning who struggled to hit the broad sign of a barn. What I am expecting is for Foles to play at least average because he has two really great receivers, a very quarterback friendly set of tight ends, a solid running back, and arguably a top three offensive line. 

    He definitely has good weapons and a good OL with the upgrades you made, but it is absolutely false that if you put enough talent around a player they will succeed. QB is the most important position on the offense, and all you have to do is look at how terrible that same offense was with Manning at the helm. Is Foles better than Manning was in 2015? I think that is debatable.

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    1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    Played more than adequately for a gutted Eagles team. Given the current situation with Denver, which is a huge upgrade to the one in Phili or St. Louis, he'll be fine. And try to remember that Peyton Manning just won the Super Bowl. Let that sink in...

    A gutted eagles team? He had one good (lucky) season and they still had one of the best OL's in football and decent weapons. He's shown his true colors since then.

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    8 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Putting on weight and taking it off are what bodybuilders do. The concept is essentially the same. Eat more than you burn up to bulk. Eat less to cut. I'm telling you that 10lbs either way isn't a huge deal especially for athletes and that most of it either way is water weight. 

    Don't take things so literally. 

     

    While that's true, Smith is also taller and Jack isn't significantly longer (in any place in particular) so I highly doubt putting on 10 lbs is out of his reach. 

    NFL players aren't bodybuilders. They don't put on weight just for the sake of putting on weight because it will slow them down.

    Smith is 1 inch taller, he could probably put on 10 pounds, but he's not going to put on 20 and still be the same type of player.

    Jack's legs and midsection are both considerably thicker, which as I am sure you are aware is where the majority of muscle weight is carried in athletes.

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    1 minute ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    As someone who bodybuilds, you'd be surprised at how quickly a small amount of weight like that can be put on and off. 10lbs really isn't much (most of the weight gained is usually water anyway). 

    Okay, but again what does this have to do with what I said. I said the weigh in wasn't a concern because he was injured and couldn't work to put on wt.

     

     

    These guys aren't body builders though where the point is to just get big. It's a lot of lean/fast-twitch muscle. You're right that he couldn't put on weight having to rehab, but he might not be able to put on a lot of weight if he wanted to anyways. He's just not thick. 

    Like I said, just look at pictures of Jack and Smith. They have two different body types.

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    1 hour ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Actually it kind is. Didnt he get hurt in like the end of December

     

    i doubt jack played the season at his current weight as well

     

    agree that jack is a will, but how much that is valued is up in the air

    January 1 I believe. He's not going to lose 10+ pounds of lower body muscle in less than 2 months.

    Jack is bigger all around than Smith, just look at their legs, arms etc. Jack's a lot denser.

    When Jack is drafted top 5-10 you will see how much that is valued.

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    40 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    This was a huge concern I had with Trae Waynes. Absolutely flew in the 40, but his short shuttle was slower than his 40 and I'm sure his three cone drill was well below average. Just confirmed the stiff player he was.

    Henry is definitely well below average in the 3C and short shuttle. It's honestly what keeps him from being a top 10 pick, because if you have a player his size with his speed and explosiveness also having elite agility we are talking about Bo Jackson. His agility numbers aren't terrible for a player his size, but for the RB position it's a concern. He's a linear athlete, kinda like a rich man's tevin coleman.

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    55 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

    I think the 40 yard dash is the most overrated drill unless someone really blows it terribly or kills it like Chris Johnson. 

    Very rarely will an athlete really just run 40 yards in a straight line. I'm far more concerned with their 10 yard split and their shuttle drills since most routes will go about 10 yards and then feature some sort of change of direction. 

    Plus, if a guy runs about a 4.5 40 in games (from your view), should it really surprise you or drop him if he runs a 4.5 40 at the combine? No, not at all. There are better measuring sticks. 

    I'd only use it if you have similar grade on players and the other drills are close.

    10yd split is definitely the most informative piece of info from the 40, but for WR I think the overall number matters too. It is a position where you have open field in front of you at times. Guys that can pull away are the difference between a TD or not. A 9 route is also in some cases just a foot race depending on the coverage.

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    18 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    I mean the weigh in isn't a concern for me. He can't really work out and put on solid/good weight while recovering. What's more concerning is the nerve damage. 

    The nerve damage is more concerning, but it's not like he got hurt months ago and hasn't been able to work out. Weighing in 227 means his playing weight is in the low 230s. People talking about him weighing in at 245+ seem unlikely even if he wasn't hurt. His frame is lean.

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    18 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Consistently engage and disengage off blocks (edit:unintentionally ironic since thats probably the main issue where those measurements matter)? Just saying. Again that wasn't to bash Jack or you, but the for Jaylon Smith who isn't going to perform and is busy trying to recover from a knee injury I'm not concerned with the weight (which honestly is the only stat mentioned that makes a significant difference). 

     

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/11327/jaylon-smith

     

    So did rotoworld get it wrong, or did the other reporter who reported no nerve dmg get it wrong?

    Yes, Jack does everything you need a WILB to do.

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    6 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

    Doctson did look impressive  Makes me want to rewatch some of the games.  Initially I came away that he was a passive ball catcher, meaning he would constantly allow the ball to get to him instead of snatching it out of the air. 

    One of my favorite receivers in this class is Sterling Shepard.  Mayock thought he compared to Randall Cobb or a little slower Tyler Lockett.  I think those are accurate.   

    I think Doctson is one of the better WRs at going up and getting the ball.

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    5 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Dont really care about the gaunlet too much. 

     

    Tread was horrible in both the broad and vert. 

    I wouldn't say horrible for someone weighing 220, but less than ideal for sure. He's never been an explosive WR though. His numbers aren't much different than Josh Gordon.

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