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    7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

    My favorite 1-2 combo is Joey Bosa and then Kendall Fuller. This is a real hard one for me, though, because I really love the combination of Ramsey and Spence. I think both are realistic. If I were betting money these are the combinations I'd bet on the Ravens taking. Bosa & Fuller is just the best combination because they both provide an immediate upgrade to an area where the team struggles. Fuller is the best ballhawk in the entire draft class with great coverage skills that people like to over-analyze but this guy would be a beast in the cover 2 and I think he can hold his own in man. I have said it many times but I absolutely love how he would fit with Frazier in terms of development and across from Jimmy Smith. Fuller would certainly add to our interceptions without a doubt in my mind. 

    Bosa, meanwhile, is an excellent prospect for this team in every way. He fits the mold of a Ravens OLB. I think he will be the pick if he is there. I believe he will be due to the 40 but we will see. Ramsey is another I think we will want. I keep going back and forth between who is going to be there but we will get one of Bosa or Ramsey. Book it.

    That would be a fantastic draft. I think a lot of people have forgotten about Fuller because of his injury and that ugly play vs Michael Thomas early in the season, but he's really good. I think he was a better college player than his brother Kyle who was a pretty high pick.

     

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    35 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

    Is there video out there of Bosa going up against a NFL caliber Tackle? Most of his sacks are generated from an inside rush and we don't really need more Dlineman. I'd like to see if this kid actually beat up a player who could actually start in the NFL.

    I don't really follow Big Ten football. Penn State and Michigan I do know that their offensive lines are just atrocious. How many lines in the Big Ten are valid measuring points? How well did he do in bowl games against better competition?

    He absolutely destroyed Rob Havenstein who was the Rams best OL this past year. I'm pretty sure he has played some pretty solid OTs in the Big Ten. Michigan State, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin always seem to have solid NFL prospects.

     

     

     

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    39 minutes ago, lgcs27288 said:

    Is there a reason you left off Dumervil? He's 5'11"/255...

    I was talking about drafted players, but signing Dumervil just re-affirms my point. Yes, he's shorter but he also was pretty widely viewed as a far better fit as a weakside 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB. The Ravens didn't care because he's a great pass-rusher. Dumervil isn't at his best dropping into coverage, but he still does it at times without being a huge liability. It's not like we are asking our OLBs to cover TEs man to man with any kind of frequency, that's the job of the ILB or Safety in our scheme.

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    1 hour ago, sflegend89 said:

     

    I said Bosa would be good as a 3-4 OLB, just stating that his body type/skill set is profiled more as more of a 4-3 DE. There are fundamental differences between them that you are underplaying. There's a reason teams look for different body types/skill sets depending on their defensive scheme, the profiling of Edge rushers isn't trivial.  When you have an Edge as athletic and talented as Bosa he's not just a scheme specific player but he no doubt checks more boxes as a 4-3 DE. Spence has a prototypical 3-4 OLB body type, it's also not a matter of dropping into coverage "a handful more times" it's considerably more. Being a 3-4 OLB is about being versatile, being able to play in space, you aren't always rushing the passer, go look at Von Miller's pick against the Patriots where Brady was anticipating the rush and instead Miller dropped into coverage, it's a multi-faceted position. 4-3 DE's are in a perpetual state of forward motion whether that's rushing the pass or sealing the edge in run support which is basically all we saw out of Bosa at OSU.

     

    I think Bosa can absolutely transition to being a 3-4 OLB, he may not have the ideal body type but he makes up for it with his athleticism, I don't think it will stop us from drafting him if he's there and I also said he's the more coveted prospect. Just stating that if you're looking at our defense Spence has the body type/skill set that actually is more of a natural fit as a 3-4 OLB, I think Spence plays in space better than Bosa because he's a smaller/leaner guy.

    I don't know what type of body-type you think the Ravens are looking for in a 3-4 OLB, but Bosa fits the mold more closely than Spence based off their history of picking OLBs.

    Terrell Suggs was 6'3"/263 pounds

    Paul Kruger was 6'4"/263 pounds

    Courtney Upshaw was 6'2"/272 pounds

    Pernell McPhee was 6'3"/278 pounds

    Joey Bosa is 6'5"/269 pounds which is right in line with previous Ravens OLBs.

    They clearly prefer bigger OLBs, so in reality Spence who is listed at 6'2"/251 would be the outlier, not Bosa.

    Given the fact that Bosa fared considerably better in agility tests and has similar speed despite weighing 20 pounds more, I fail to see how Bosa doesn't fit the profile for OLB but Spence does. 

     

     

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    I would echo the first two posts, and say worst case scenario is Bosa, Tunsil, Ramsey, Jack, Buckner all coming off the board before us and we take Stanley.

    If the draft unfolds like that, I would be praying for a trade back and hope to pick up Shaq Lawson,  Noah Spence, Hargreaves or Treadwell.

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    1 minute ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Don't think Jack is worth more than Tunsil (pretty sure I said it before too). Tunsil is just as safe as it gets and has great movement skills for the position. I can get Bosa depending on what you're looking for, but not Jack. This is just a positional value thing.

    Tradwell triggered a lot of red flags, confirming what was seen on tape. I think he is in for a huge drop unless his pro day numbers are a tremendous improvement. 

    You are way too low on Vernon Butler unless you forgot here? I think he's a top 15 pick maybe top 10. The more tape I put on, the more I like what he does. 

    I can see why you would have Tunsil higher than Jack, but I think the defense needs an injection of talent a lot more than the OL. Also drafting a LT means having to dump Monroe which I dislike from a resource allocation standpoint. Yes, Tunsil would be a better player, but that's a lot of cap and draft resources tied up in one position.

    I don't see any red flags from Treadwell unless you think he is something that he isn't. He's never been an explosive WR, but he brings the overall package that profiles as a #1 WR. He has great size, elite body control, strong at the catch point, great hands, strong route-running, ability to pick up YAC. Worst case you're looking at Alshon Jeffery imo.

    Vernon Butler had a poor combine and the tape isn't good enough to place him higher, I think he's a day 2 talent. 

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    1 minute ago, sflegend89 said:

    As talented as Bosa is he's really a 4-3 DE. I think he could be good as a 3-4 OLB but typically you want a guy with more suddenness and explosiveness off the line in that role. Noah Spence is the best 3-4 OLB in the draft, Bosa may be the more coveted prospect but Spence fits our defense better.

    Sorry, but this is just patently false. First of all Bosa is more sudden than Spence. He blew Spence out of the water in the 3C drill and short shuttle, and Bosa is considerably bigger making it that much more impressive. Secondly, there is negligible difference between what you want from a 4-3 DE compared to a 3-4 DE in terms of rushing the passer. The only difference is occasionally rushing from a 2 point stance instead of a 3 point stance and dropping in coverage a handful more times. Then consider that Bosa is world's better as a run defender.

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    5 hours ago, Edgar said:

    To me, Bosa is tailor made to play left DE in a 4-3. Exactly where he played in college. I don't see him being as effective as a 3-4 OLB.

    I like him a lot against the run. I do not like him as an edge rusher. 

     

     

    What's the difference as a 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB? They both rush the passer no?

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    I still feel pretty good about my initial board, but a few updates post combine:

    1. Joey Bosa

    2. Jalen Ramsey

    3. Myles Jack

    4. Laremy Tunsil

    5. DeForest Buckner

    6. LaQuon Treadwell

    7. Shaq Lawson

    8. Vernon Hargreaves

    9. Corey Coleman

    10. Robert Nkemdiche*

    11. Noah Spence*

    12. Ronnie Stanley

    13. Sheldon Rankins

    14. Ezekiel Elliot

    15. Mackensie Alexander

    16. Josh Doctson

    17. Kevin Dodd

    18. Darron Lee

    19. Emmanuel Ogbah

    20. Andrew Billings

    21. Jack Conklin

    22. Michael Thomas

    23. Jason Spriggs

    24. Shilique Calhoun

    25. Kenny Clark

    *Character/Off-field concerns

    ** Jaylon Smith would be #5 if not for reports indicating he will miss all of 2016

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    14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

    While I think bosa absolutely fits in our system, I think he's more a hybrid guy than a OLB. He often depends on a hard lean to get leverage and generate push and he ends up losing balance and oddly we actually saw his lack of balance at the combine today, that's the only reason I wouldn't pencil him in as our full time OLB

    I think the balance thing is overblown. He seems to lose balance at random times moving laterally, not when he is bending the edge. I don't know what you mean by a hybrid guy, but his primary position would be OLB. He might play some 3T in sub-packages but I see him primarily as an edge rusher. 

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    8 minutes ago, Winchester said:

    Bosa's balance was good just was trying to hard while still being half asleep. However have to talk about Floyd at pick6 now?? However I would prefer to trade down and get Spence then Nkemdiche

    I don't think the Ravens would really consider Floyd as an option at OLB. He's too skinny and poor vs the run.

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    some of you guys really love Noah Spence lol

     His 10yd split was good, so I wouldn't read too much into 4.80 but it's not going to help his stock any. More concerning are his pedestrian jumps and below average 3C and SS. For a speed guy, he really didn't help himself out much.

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    On 2/27/2016 at 10:33 AM, 52520Andrew said:

    Bosa would be as much a waste in our system as McPhee was... wait McPhee was great with us in 2014

    I remember saying when we  drafted McPhee I didn't get it because he looked like a 4-3 DE. To some degree I was right because it did take him a while to put it all together and he was moved around quite a bit, but in the end he was a great pick, especially in the 5th round.

    Bosa is a far more athletic and refined McPhee. I still have yet to hear a good reason why he can't play OLB for us.

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