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    5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

     

    The point is if it didn't affect Gurley then I hardly see how it affects Jack, who suffered a less severe injury and suffered it earlier at that.

    Yes, I agree. The way you previously worded it made it sound like Gurley's injury did affect his draft which seemed confusing.

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    1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

    He didn't have more than two positive tests. What Ohio State and Big 10 took exception to was the fact that he lied to everybody, including his father, even after he's been caught by saying someone spiked his drink, then got caught again. I see those incidents as a typical dumb adolescent behavior. He cleaned up his act, stayed clean since and played very good football. Nobody should be held hostage for their teenage years mistakes if they did not hurt anybody else but themselves, realized thier mistakes and turned the page.

    The Big 10 is odd because they consider ecstasy a performance enhancer for some reason, and under their rules two positive performance enhancer tests = disqualification from the conference, so it's not because he lied about it, it's because of the choice in drug he chose to abuse. 

    That's fine for you to think like that, but NFL teams do a lot more investigation and they have a lot more on the line than we do. If he comes out clean and reformed and has no signs of future drug use, that's great. Maybe the Ravens will draft him, it just doesn't seem likely given everything we know about him. It's not like this happened years ago either, his second negative test, was in 2014. He knew testing positive for ecstasy would result in a dismissal yet he still did it just months after his first suspension. Maybe getting kicked out of the conference was a wake up call, and maybe in the past 18 months he has grown up. It's just very risky to use a first round pick on a player with his history.

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    3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

    3 positive drug tests and an aggravated assault charge, right, Spence and his 2 failed drug tests are so much worse because the conference overreacted.

     

    2 drug tests that we know of. He was suspended for 3 games for his first failure, or maybe he had priors that haven't come to light as well. With complete knowledge that another failed test likely results in a min year long suspension and likely being kicked out of the program, he still continued to abuse substances. Maybe he has been reformed in the past year, but who knows? You can't deny it would be unprecedented to draft a player with his history.

    We are looking at these two players in different lenses as well. One with everything that comes out through the draft process and the other where the interviews haven't happened yet. 

     

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    Bosa is a monster. He's a rare prospect and fits a huge need for the Ravens. I have zero concerns about his ability to play OLB in our scheme. It's a silly reason not to draft an elite player like him if he were to fall.

    Buckner is a fine back-up plan at #6 if the likes of Jack, Ramsey, Tunsil and Bosa are all gone. Those are the 4 blue chip prospects in this class imo.

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    4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

    I think the more apt Gurley comparison may actually be Jaylon Smith who both had severe knee tears. Although Myles did have an MCL tear, it wasn't quite as severe as Gurley or Jaylon Smith in my opinion.

    Yeah, just saw a tweet today saying a GM didn't believe reports saying Smith would be ready for the season. Considering the timing and extent of the injury a September return never seemed likely. Very similar  scenario as Gurley and he could still go top 10 as well.

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    1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

     

    I don't mean for this to sound as aggressive as it'll sound, so just take my word that it's not meant to be, but did it affect Gurley? I know some will say there's no comparison but I beg to differ. Both suffered season ending injuries that prevented their participation in the combine and play positions often viewed as "undervalued" in today's NFL. 

    Like Gurley, I expect Jack's stock to be affected accordingly. 

    Gurley was a top 10 pick as a RB even though he was expected to miss some time. I don't think the injury had any influence on his stock. Plus Jack should be able to have a pro day unlike Gurley.

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    15 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

    Per NFL.COM, Jack has been training for the combine drills but didn't get medical clearance so he will only do interviews, medical checks and the bench press, not a huge deal considering everyone knows he's a great athlete, I'm more interested in what he weighs I would hope he'd be at least 235lbs if not more.

    That's too bad. I was looking forward to seeing him tear it up. I'm sure he will get a Pro Day in though.

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    35 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

    Yeah, I recall that on Peters, and while I think it was eventually debunked as false, I don't think you can sleep on a player presumably hitting or publicly getting into it with a coach. That's a legitimate character concern. I recall guys like that with whom I played and they didn't end well. What other penalties did Spence get outside the substance abuse issue with ecstasy? I recall an alcohol related incident but that's it. 

    I don't think there were anything outside of substance abuse issues for Spence, but I also don't think you can just lump together "character concerns" like they are all created equal. Honestly, the public is only privy to a small fraction of the info teams uncover on these prospects so drawing comparisons of one player to another doesn't work for me. Each one is a unique case. Of course it's possible the Ravens will draft Spence, but they have never drafted a player with his kind of indiscretions and associated ramifications previously. I guess there is a first time for everything. The point I made before I believe still rings true. There are a lot of players the Ravens will be considering throughout the draft process, and I would imagine there will be a number of players they will consider as viable targets at #6. Is it really worth taking a risk on a player with Spence's baggage? To be honest, we don't even know if they like him as a top 10 player regardless of the concerns.

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    On 2/15/2016 at 11:31 AM, GrimCoconut said:

    Spence has character concerns and I agree in that I'm not confident we'll take him but Marcus Peters was accused of punching a coach and was kicked off his team by their head coach, while Spence was banned from the B1G after repeatedly testing hot for ecstasy. It's sorta similar 

    Minor similarities at best. One scenario is a player from an old regime that didn't get along with his new coach. The other is massive errors in judgement and significantly larger penalties, in addition to entry into the substance abuse program.

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    On 2/15/2016 at 11:22 AM, GrimCoconut said:

    Didn't Maxx Williams bomb his combine interviews? And Carl Davis? I feel like I recall reading both interviewed poorly but can't distinctly remember and don't feel like looking it up atm 

    I'm talking in a hypothetical that Spence falls to the back end of the first round because he has a history of bad choices resulting in a major penalty and following that up with a failure to reconcile his errors when given the opportunity in team interviews. This scenario is vastly different in nature from alleged poor interviews by Williams and Davis who did not have failed drug tests, suspensions, and a conference ban.

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    6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

    Being a stranger to the 4-3 schemes, I can't argue with what has been said. However I think Myles Jack would have plenty of fun in a 3-4, where he could occupy at will any of the LB spot, depending on how he or Pees wants to affect the opponent's weakness. He could be a pain for the opposing OC to deal with, being able to do everything.

    Jack will be a beast in any scheme. Another poster did raise a valid point about whether or not Pees will take advantage of his abilities, and I think it's a fair question. He's shown a willingness to move around OLBs and DL in unique ways, but the back end stays relatively vanilla. How Jack would fit in is an interesting question, but at a minimum I would expect more 4-3 looks even in traditional sub-package scenarios. He can do so much more than your average LB.

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    4 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

    I'm wondering, would people here be happy if Ozzie takes Nkemdiche in the 2nd? His character concerns seem real and his game is full of flaws, but if we can erase them, he has a ton of upsides. He kind of reminds me of a Jernigan 2.0 with his attitude.

    I think he will still go top 10. He's lightyears more athletic than Jernigan, but he has issues with run defense.

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    19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

    But getting a player who makes no impact on the field would be disatrous as well lol. All I'm saying is I wouldn't rule it out, especially considering how we wanted shane Ray and Marcus Peters so badly last year, and that was word straight from the horses mouth.

    Maybe we wanted them, maybe not, but neither had the kind of violations that Spence had. Anyone could end up being a bust, players with off the field issues are more worrisome that's all. There are most likely a couple players at #6 that could be great players in a Ravens uniform.

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    1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

    But this happened over a year ago and if you watch his interviews he really seems like a good character guy with a good head on his shoulders who just made some mistakes that in the end weren't all that severe. I'm not downplaying the stupidity of failing 2 drug tests but you also shouldn't overplay it as if he's failing drug tests right before the combine or as if he is some detriment to society like a Greg hardy or Justin blackmon going out driving drunk and endangering lives and beating women and overall being a horrible person. Spence appears to be world's apart from that kind of person. People reform themselves all the time, not everyone with a shaky past is the scum of the earth. I'm sure the ravens know this as well as anyone, we saw what ray Lewis transformed to, we saw Ray rice who was super squeaky clean knock his wife unconscious, our FO knows that People can change whether for good or for bad, all you can do is take the encouraging signs and run with it, and I'd say spences progress is quite encouraging

    Bottomline it's a super risky move and the Ravens have never been a team that takes risks on players that have his history. Whether it was over a year ago makes no difference in how dumb it was. Even if he owns everything and comes off like a choir boy, he will still have a black mark on his record. You have to consider the possibility that he messes up again. For a team in the Ravens position, that would be disastrous.

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    9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

    I struggle to believe Spence bombs the interview. He is a very polite and charismatic guy, and he is very forthcoming and honest about the situation. He seems to be playing the part of a reformed young man very well. 

     

    Also I'm just not sure we view his problem the same way we view other issues, guys who are locker room cancers and lazy and temperamental and egotistical seem to be our main concern, after domestic abuse of course. Spence just doesn't come off as a guy who the ravens would avoid.

    You have to be joking right? Failing two drug tests and getting kicked out of the Big 10 doesn't sound like something the Ravens would avoid? Better players have fallen out of the top 2 rounds for lesser offenses.

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    4 minutes ago, Sizzlebshu said:

    Basically Spence would have to both bomb the combine (horrendously unlikely) and the combine interviews (more likely) in horrific fashion for him to have a chance at falling to 20 and undoing the Senior Bowl rise to his stock. 

    Combined with Ravens likely hesitance to draft a player that bombed his interview...yeah, it's not going to happen.

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