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I would say you are confusing hustle with motor and/or relentlessness, but that could be getting into semantics. I don't see a lack of effort from Bob, I think it's a lack of a plan of attack. He hasn't developed good counters in his pass-rush arsenal. That to me is technique. I think you can say pretty much every interior DL lacks effort at times when they get stoned on their initial move.

Agreed. I don't think Spence is the kind of elite athlete that Miller and Mack are, but he could prove me wrong at the combine...

Scheme fit is tough for Rankins as a DE. He lacks a lot of size and length needed to 2-gap in our defense. He'd essentially have to play the same role as Jernigan, and well we already have a Jernigan. Buckner is a much better fit, and he has some pass-rushing ability as well lined up on the inside.

Confirmed

Got it, thanks. that makes sense

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Hmm, I was trying to edit my SoF and it came up as a requirement to save the changes.

making edits requires a reason now? That's a giant pain. Also not working

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*yawn* yet another first place finish

Chasing down plays in which he is not involved has literally nothing to do with his initial move. It's 100% effort and hustle. None of the points you are making have anything to do with effort.

The combine matters. Anyone arguing it doesn't is either naive or just being contrarian. The extent to which it matters can be debated, but it's absolutely true that there are certain numbers players at each position need to hit, whether they are testing numbers or just size. Obviously, tape evaluation is far more important than players who just work out well, but it does affect the process.

This isn't true at all.

I just don't see much difference between 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. OLBs still have to set the edge against bigger OTs and TEs just like DEs do.

I don't see arm length as a big problem, but why do you think it makes any difference for a 4-3 DE vs a 3-4 OLB? They both have to beat OTs off the edge.

Kind of some basic numbers players should pass. Does the combine stack up to the film. Edge rushers and DT should do well in 10yd split, Vert, Broad, 3 cone. 40 is less important. WR is similar but slightly more emphasis on 40, especially for the smaller speed types. CBs I look more at size and arm length, anything below 5'10" is bad. Vertical and 3 cone are key, 40 in the 4.5s at worst. OT arm length is key. Jumps are important too.

Good body control, decent size, good hands, decent speed. Lacks ideal explosiveness. Biggest issue with him is off the field, and it 's a big issue when you get suspended multiple times and fail multiple drug tests and lack elite talent. He's not better than Doctson, not even close. He'd probably end up around 6 or 7 on talent alone

Yes, absolutely I would take a chance if I had the opportunity to meet with him, bring him in to work out, and he passed the test. If he is dumb as bricks and doesn't get it then no. From a talent perspective he's a top 3 player in this draf.

He's really good. I could see it happening

The produciton question is a fair one, but it has nothing to do with getting lost. Most of the time others are cleaning up his work or the QB is throwing the ball away. I don't think I have seen him get into the backfield and not have some impact on the play.

Ngakoue has some athletic limitations imo, but I wouldn't be against taking him in the 4th round. He has a strong motor.

Disagree with this regarding effort. He's always chasing down plays from the backside.

I don't really see the issues you do with missed tackles or locating the ball-carrier. My concerns are about technique, staying square to the blocker, and being able to disengage to make the tackle. His anchor is very inconsistent against the run. At times he will flash excellent technique, but he often turns his shoulder and he gets washed out.

A few thoughts on the edge rushers in this class: - Not great in terms of traditional OLB type. Spence is the only top guy that fits the mold. Maybe Calhoun later. - Bosa is a special talent, and if he is there at #6 he has to be the pick. I'd strongly consider trading up if he falls outside of the top 3. - Shaq Lawson is good, but even more of a stretch to play OLB than Bosa. Similar feelings about Dodd. - Not a big fan of Ogbah. Flashes impressive traits, but too inconsistent. Needs a lot of work. - Starting to come around to Calhoun as a nice 2nd round option. Some questions regarding anchor vs the run and ability to convert speed to power. Good bend - Not an "edge" rusher, but I would take Buckner at #6. Great anchor against the run. Not explosive, but uses length exceptionally well. Overpowering at times. - Nkemdiche is one of the best athletes I have ever watched play on the DL. Obvious character concerns and needs a lot of technical refinement, but when he is clicking he is borderline unblockable.