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I think the assumption that Carter can do everything Campanero can do is probably way overstated at this point.  Campanero, when healthy, came out of college with the tools to be an elite slot receiver.  Health was always his biggest question mark.

If Carter dominates training camp and pre season, then maybe we can start to think about his upside.  Otherwise, right now it's call coming from the hype of him playing well at OTA's.

I think Ben has probably a 2 year window of being a Top 5ish QB in the NFL, while Joe has probably 5-6 top years remaining if he stays healthy.  Given that Ben has endured a lot of injuries and is getting older, I can't see him being nearly as successful after age 35.

I would say that for the next 2 years, Ben will probably be the "better" QB than Flacco in terms of stats and maybe even regular season wins, but I'll always take Flacco for his ability to get us to the playoffs and play strong in the playoffs.

My guess is the team knows it's a huge risk to let him play again.  It's already likely that he won't be able to walk in 20 years, let alone the risk for re-injury.  I'm not saying that he'll never play again, but they're likely to take their time before making any final decisions.

Yeah, he's in good situation QB wise but has some real work cut out for him to even line up.

Correct - he can definitely succeed but it might not be as big of an impact in years 1/2.

just because we select a guy doesn't mean we have to like him.

 

I didn;t want him and 90% of the forum didn't want him but as usual they spoon feed themselves self made hype to believe this guy was a better version of torrey smith.

 

I don't like perriman as I see him as the Anti Amari cooper. I also watched film of andre johnson and julio at college just to remind myself why I don't see the comparisons outside of athletic ability.

 

it's clear. Those two played way stronger and bigger than perriman. They weren't great route runners but they had more fluidity in their hips and had better awareness.

 

Don't worry though..I believe Maxx Williams and Crockett are in for big seasons ..

 

expect a lot of perriman hate by the end of the season..(said the exact same thing about elam)

 

Iz a blessin

You're way off base saying 90% of the forum didn't want him.  I would put that number at closer to 30%, and I would guess that almost all of those people are people who didn't watch him until after they heard about what he ran at his pro day.  I was always pretty dead set on either him or Devin Smith as our first round picks but once I heard he ran a 4.22, I just assumed he wouldn't make it to our pick.

I had him ranked as a top 25 pick before the pro day, and raised him to a top 20 pick after his Pro day.  Not to toot my own horn, but after 10 years of 'scouting' at a relatively high level compared to most internet scouts, WR's have always been what I've been best at projecting to the next level.

I still believe that Devin Smith would have been a 'safer' pick, but I also believe Perriman's floor is about what Torrey Smith was and his ceiling is much, much higher.  Devin Smith will most likely never be a 1300 yard, 10+ TD receiver, but I think he can be a consistent 1000 yard, 8 TD receiver.  Perriman's floor is probably a 50 catch, 800 yards, 8 TD's (About what Torrey did here in his worst years) and his ceiling is probably closer to the 1300yd, 10+ TD.

I personally think that all 5 of the first WR's taken have a ridiculous upside, but Perriman, Parker and Agholor are probably in the best situations.

It sucks to say this and probably too early based on the limited information, but i think this sets Camp up to be a PUP guy. That will give the coaches a extra WR to stash without putting him at risk for other teams to sign him. If after 6 games the coaches feel there needs to be a spark at the return position or maybe even a shot in the arm for the offense Camp could be ready.

From a perception standpoint its not good. I'm seeing a pattern much like David Reed, without the fumbles of course. The biggest thing that hurt Reed was his injuries that made it tough to rely on him despite him being a pretty good returner. I Camp can return in 6 weeks or so full go but my gut says he's a pup guy.

If the early prognosis is Camp is ready to practice again in 2 months, I don't see any way he stays on PUP for the start of the season without a major setback.  The PUP would put him out for 4.5 months, which probably is unnecessary.  I could see him starting camp on the PUP and them activating him for game 3/4 of preseason to be able to get him some reps before the season, but I doubt he stays on the PUP through the end of camp.

From all accounts, Pitta is expected to start the year on the PUP list.  He'll likely test out his hip in practice for 3 weeks in the middle of the year, and if they feel confident that he's fully recovered then he'll come in the second half of the year.

The idea of possibly having Pitta, Williams, Gillmore and maybe even Boyle is exciting to think about though.

39 inch vertical isn't good enough for you? That's higher than Odell Beckham LOL

Also, his only Touchdown from last year he out-jumped a guy that's a solid 1-2 inches taller than him.  Campanaro's vertical is not really an issue with him... it's pretty much all a question on if he can stay healthy or not.

Perhaps. I never played receiver so I won't pretend to be an expert on such things. Just seems to me that juggs machines help more with the technique of the catch more than the concentration of it. But yeah, I'm no expert.

It's probably some combination of both.  Working on the jugs machine will probably help his muscle memory so he knows to keep his eyes on the ball through the catch, however my bet is that practicing at full speed is really what is going to help.  My bet is that he's thinking about what he's going to do after the catch before securing the ball.  Once he gets comfortable with the play speed of the game he won't have to think so much. 

The way the coaches at UCF used him, it would seem that they basically wanted him to make a big play every time rather than just making the catch and giving what the defense gives you.

After going back - I watched the remaining UCF Games with Bortles.  Those 4 remaining games (Not from the ones I included above) were Akron, Louisville, Connecticit, USF.

• VS Akron - this was a pretty terrible game for Perriman, but also for the entire UCF team.  I saw Bortles fumble 3 times, and 4 drops overall by his receivers.  2 of those were from Perriman and they were pretty inexcusable.  By far his worst collegiate game from what I could tell, and he still had a long touchdown.
• VS Louisville - there must have been an injury or something in this game, because Perriman barely played even when Whorton went out.  I saw one "drop" but it was really an overthrow by Bortles - way too much mustard on an out-route and the pass went off the outstretched hands of Perriman.  There was also a fantastic back shoulder, turning, sideline grab from Perriman in this game.  Go to 4:15 to see this play.
• VS UConn- Average game from Perriman.  UCF dominated the entire game and didn't even really need to try going deep, but Perriman still made a few plays.
• VS USF - noticed 1 drop, but also made the game winning Touchdown catch.

Overall, these were probably some of the worst games of Perriman's sophomore year, but there were still some fantastic plays made.  For a 20 year old WR only a few years into learning the position, I think it's normal to expect a few poor games.  Akron is really the only game that would make me "concerned" but it was the first game of his Sophomore season and I'm sure nerves played a big role in the drops.

Rather than spending over an hour watching 1 game with mediocre scouts, do some investigative work and watch some of Perriman's sophomore year at UCF with Bortles throwing him the ball.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/blake-bortles/

Keep in mind that he had just turned TWENTY years old in September of his Sophomore year - I specifically watched the Penn State, Baylor and Rutgers games and still want to watch Louisville as well.

A couple of things are obvious to me 

• Hall and Worton were Bortles' safety nets.  They did a lot of screens and high percentage passes to them
• Perriman was their big play guy.  Bortles was a frustrating prospect because he was so eratic at times, and specifically in the games I watched, I counted a minimum of 4 touchdowns left off the board to Perriman from poor throws.
• Of those games I watched, I counted 1 really bad drop - on a comeback route along the sideline for about 5 yards.  The rest of the drops were either really bad throws or would have been highlight reel type catches in traffic.  It's nice to see a receiver come down with those, but not something I would demand to see in a 20 year old prospect.

Go back and watch these games and you'll notice that Perriman ran a few really good routes, a few really bad routes, and had a couple drops he'd like to have back.  However, the big play potential and overall ability Perriman brings to the table is at least equal to what Torrey Smith brought us, if not more.

Even for being a homer for your team that is beyond ridiculous. James was good value where they picked him but he's more of a reliable depth player like Spaeth than the heir to Heath Miller. James doesn't have the suddenness, athleticism, route running prowess, or soft hands that Maxx has. I almost feel bad for even giving this argument any validation by even acknowledging them in a head to head comparison because it's such a landslide.

 

They're just mad about getting jumped for Maxx and are scrambling to assuage some hurt feelings, it's an asinine comparison. I'm more interested in if James is even better than Nick Boyle, that is a legit comparison. Maxx completely outclasses James on film and every scout in the NFL would corroborate that, if you want the final nail in the Coffin.

 

Maxx Williams, (In a Power offense that rarely throws the ball):

36 rec, 569 yds, 15.6 avg, 8 TD's

 

Jesse James (In a pro style offense)

38 rec, 396 yds, 10.4 avg, 3 TD's

 

 You really want a laugh? Maxx also out produced James' 2014 numbers when he was a redshirt Freshman. Maxx was legitimately a better TE than James is now when he was 19 years old. The more you dig into this so called "comparison" the more of a mockery it becomes. Steelers fans can live in fantasy land all they want in the offseason, once the games start the cold hard reality will set in for them.

The PSU offense threw the ball almost exactly twice as many time as the Minnesota offense, and James still only had 2 more receptions.  James was the third leading receiver on his team, and Maxx was far and away the leading receiver on his team.

What this tells me is that even though when teams played Minnesota, they game-planed for Maxx knowing that he was their only passing threat.  I doubt many teams really had to scheme for James as the third leading receiver.

By comparison - the 2nd highest rated TE in the draft (Walford) was taken 13 picks later by the Raiders.  He led his team in receptions with 44 when they passed the ball 54% more times than Minnesota did over the course of the season.  This was also with Philip Dorsett on the team (he only caught 36 balls).

Not to completely hijack the thread... but when looking at stats I also saw UFC threw the ball just 25 more times than Miami, and Perriman had 14 more catches and 170 more yards than Dorsett did while leading UCF in every receiving category.

Stats obviously don't tell the whole story, but when you put them in context with game tape, they can easily tell you who projects to be the better players.