RayRocks

I believe IR-DR means a minimum of 8 games, with a maximum of 10 before you have to be active. If Urban really is just 4-5 weeks away from being ready to play, then there's also the option to leave him on the active roster and just keep him inactive for the first quarter of the season (at least one DL will be inactive anyway). The only issue there comes if we suffer other injuries on the DL. I'm expecting his recovery to be at least 6-7 weeks into the season, which would give him another few weeks to get back in shape before coming off the IR-DR.

Personally, I think the option is either Urban, or "save it just in case." I think it really will be an evaluation next week where the doctors will give an update on his recovery and if he's on pace for an October return, then it might be worth using. I think in the 4 years (if my memory serves) of the IR-designate to return, we only used it once (on Ray Lewis). The number of "major" in-season injuries that occur and are less than a 12 week return time-table are pretty slim, and I think most of those seem to be "minor" fractures or muscle tears. It seems that all other season ending injuries as a 3-10 month recovery process. The team very well could lose an important player to one of those returnable "major" injuries and get a star back for a playoff run, but that's assuming that IF we lost a "star" player we'd even be eligible for the playoffs to begin with. The reason Ray was given the ID-DR was because he was an older star who was on his last ride despite being a shell of his former self, physically. He happened to suffer an injury that put him exactly at the time-table that would bring him back for the playoffs, and because the backups were just as capable as he was, physically, at that point we didn't really miss too much. There aren't many situations I can think of with this team where the same thing would happen because there isn't great depth under our "star" players (Flacco, Suggs, Jimmy, SSS, Tucker, etc.). Personally, for these reasons, I'm in favor of using the IR-DR on Urban... but there is definitely a risk involved. However, getting a fresh pass rusher onto the team mid-season could be exactly the boost we'd need after the bye week so there are possible great rewards as well.

It's also worth noting that Ray Rice suffered a thigh bruise his rookie year and missed 4 games (3 regular season + 1 playoff) and nearly a month because of it. To all of the people saying "oh he just fell on it he should be playing," other players missed the same amount of time for similar injuries on this team and ended up being fine. Perriman will hopefully be back before the last preseason game and maybe the Broncos won't be sure how to gameplan for him.

I don't think Harbs went any harder in training camp this year than he has in his previous 7 training camps, and typically I'd say it's paid off. I'd venture to guess that 80% of the players that are "hurt" right now would probably play if it was a real game. I'd expect almost everyone to come back at full strength next week, barring any major injuries in the Redskins game.

This whole "He's Amendola 2.0" thing kinda interests me. Amendola has played in 11 or more games every single year except for 2011 when he dislocated his elbow in the season opener. That was more of a freak accident, and other than that year he's averaged 52 catches per season. If we got 52 catches out of Campanero for one season I'd call that a massive success for a a 7th round pick. Even if he caught 40 passes for each of the next 3 years, he'd still be worth keeping on the roster. The Ravens have never had a 3rd receiver catch over 40 balls since Flacco was drafted (outside of a TE and/or RB). If Campanero has a career similar to Amendola and misses 3-5 games a year because of injury, he's still worth keeping around until the end of his rookie deal.

My comparison was less "physically" and more how I expect them to be used. Calvin is a really complete receiver and the only part of his game that was really questioned coming out was his route running. Waller is more stiff in the hips than Johnson is/was, and that's not necessarily a knock on Waller - CJ has incredibly loose hips for a man of his length.

If "a few" means 2-3 weeks, I could see them just keeping the 3 RB's on the team for the opening game and have 2 active for the first game if LT needs a few extra days. It's a little risky, but better than losing a player to another team. If "a few" means 3-5, then Magee (or FT) will almost certainly be on the active roster to start the season.

I think people are making some strange comparisons for Waller. I like him quite a bit, but I see him more as a Marques Colston type than I do Megatron, or whatever other big-bodied WR's he'd been compared to. I think he'll be best off using his body and above average speed/quickness in the middle of the field, with the ability to be a threat in the Red Zone fairly often and splash plays on occasion.

This has been explained probably 100+ times already, but Perriman CANNOT go to the PUP list. It's either he's on the active roster for the first game of the season or they put him on IR. If it was deemed that his injury could take another 2+ months, they could give him the IR - designated to return status which I think would put him back week 9. Those are the only options, and even if Perriman needed to miss the first game or two, I doubt they would exercise any of the other options.

There we go Arthur! I still think we find a way to keep him.

You don't understand what a bone bruise is if you're making this statement. Two weeks to heal sounds about right, and I think it's been about 11 days. As long as he's back for preseason games 2-4 he'll still have plenty of time to get up to speed and make an impact early in the season.

According to reports, Marlon is over his back injury and now just has a hamstring issue. My guess is he'll be fine within a week or two.

You can't PUP list him. It's either IR or IR designated to return. There's a case to be made for the designated to return for Urban, because we've only used it once in 3 years and he's slated to be available in October. IR designated to return is a minimum of 8 weeks before you can be activated, so it becomes really tricky because there are so few injuries that have a healing time of 6-8 weeks. It seems like most are healed in 2-3 week, while the more severe ones are 3-12 months.

Reposting my reply from the Scout.com forums... my take on possibly using the IR-Designated to return. --- Would be interested to see if the team will decide to use the IR-designate to return on either Urban or Elam, assuming (hopefully) there are no other injuries to starters during training camp. Urban's 12 week recovery time period would put him back as eligible to return around the end of October, which is when the IR/return list would allow him to return. I believe the only other time we've used this designation in the 3 year period it's been in place was for Ray Lewis when he came back to help us on our Super Bowl run. Essentially, the list becomes useless if you don't have someone suffer an injury that would take 6-10 weeks to recover... depending on the time of the season it takes place. If we don't use it on Urban, Elam or another player during pre-season, then we would essentially have to use it on someone else during the first 7 weeks of the regular season for it to make sense. Personally, taking into account that most 'serious' injuries in the NFL take a minimum of 8-12 weeks to recover from, I'd heavily consider using it on Urban in order to get a fresh face in the defensive rotation halfway through the regular season. At least if Urban needs an extra 2 weeks past his 12 week recovery period, it would still be week 10-11 that he could come back.

I'm not overthinking the knee injury unless he's still not practicing by Monday. I would assume it's a light bone bruise, not just the skin of the knee that was bruised. I'd temper my expectations of Perriman to 600-700 yards. He's still raw and not refined in his routes, so I would guess at least 30-40% of his yards will come from big plays for now.

I'm not sure why people are concerned about Perriman's injury. A bone bruise probably will take a week or so to heal depending on how deep it is. I was expecting at least 5-6 days, so as long as he's practicing before the end of the weekend I won't be worried. Brown, on the other hand, is someone I worry about. Hopefully it's just something that requires rest.

You don't factor those in since there's a good chance there will be at least 1-2 players on IR between weeks 1 and 6.

I wouldn't even go as far as to say he won't play against the Saints. We have 10 more days before that game, so I think as long as he practices again before the end of the weekend he'll play a few snaps in that game. Unless it's a really deep bruise, 5-8 days would be an expected amount of time for healing.

Yeah, I'd like to wait until at least 2 weeks after the vets have reported before I'll decide that a rookie will be shelved for the year.

Melvin had some spectacular moments last year once he started to play. He was exposed some against Brady and the Pats, but to say "he's a band aid" is definitely undervaluing him. For a second year player with pretty much no experience, he played better than any of the other corners (outside Webb and Smith) last year. I think as a 4th corner entering his third year, he provides excellent depth and already some solid experience at the position.

Not 100% positive, but I don't believe players are eligible for the Practice Squad in their 4th seasons (Asa has appeared in 14 career games and I think the limit is 9 regular season games).

I enjoy your enthusiasm, but expecting almost 18 yards/catch from a rookie receiver is asking for a lot... especially when that percentage is higher than Torrey had in all 4 of his seasons here. I don't think 40-55 catches and 600-800 yards is out of the question for Breshad's rookie campaign.. but 1200 yards would be close to top 5 rookie WR campaigns of all time (and certainly top 10).

Correct - anyone who is still injured when training camp starts (for the most part) starts on the 'preseason' PUP list. If they're still on the PUP for the start of the regular season they cannot be activated until after the 6th game. If a players practiced in training camp even just for 1 play, then they are no longer eligible to be added to the PUP list.

I'd never wish injury on any player, but I don't understand the whole "I hope their team is at full strength." Who cares what someone's excuse is? If DT holds out it gives the Ravens a competitive advantage. I don't think DT will hold out for the first game, but if he does I won't be upset one bit.

I can't really imagine Brown not making the roster unless he really just comes to camp playing very poorly. Remember, Trestman LOVES big receivers, and he's really the only experienced one we have. Also, a sophomore slump for wide receivers is fairly common... it's typically in their third year that they start to play well. Given the way Harbaugh talked about Marlon earlier this offseason, and the fact that he is our second most experienced WR in camp, I'm fairly confident he'll make the team.