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52 minutes ago, 20306cab said:

Ridiculous!!!! Flacco's had five different OC's in nine years, and he stunk under every one of them. Fire the crappy QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flacco actually improved under Kubiak's offense.   Flacco does deserve some blame though but it's partly that Trestman, Caldwell and Cam were not effective OCs.  

Dejavú!  Not only did Oakland and Carr beat us in similar fashion last year but this is the first game this season that resembles Ravens games from 2012-2015 seasons... Let's see: offense can't get going until 2nd half; defense keeps the game close but gives up a TD late in the game when we need a stop; stupid or conservative offensive playcalling; and bad coaching decisions.  

I was so hoping to prove all the Ravens haters wrong who thought we'd be exposed today and get our first "L".  Instead, I'm having flashbacks of previous years. 

A few weeks ago when it was apparent we wouldn't make the playoffs, over on the NFL website a Squeelers fan had this to say: "I hope the Ravens start winning now that they won't make the playoffs so that they also won't get a high draft pick." The fan also said he didn't care if Cleveland got a high draft pick, just not the Ravens. Anybody but the Ravens!

Well, I'm soooooo happy we were able to grant you your wish starting (ironically) in a game against "your Squeelers" with such big playoff implications on the line.

I think next time that Steelers fan might want to keep his mouth shut about our Ravens at least until our two divisional games are in the books.

So we potentially get knocked out of the top 5 for draft picks... So what I say! This win is worth it on a couple of levels. This is what being a loyal fan is all about.

TAKE THAT SNOOP DOG!!!

All of this complaining is getting old. we all know what has happened and blaming everything and everybody is repetitive. we all now the contributing factors and they are numerous. Bad officiating, injuries, lack of discipline on the field, turnovers, player talent, and questionable coaching decisions and ineffective game plans and play calling on both offense and defense. I realized back in JAN '83 when Irsay stole the Colts and took them to INDY that the NFL was not a sport any longer. It's a money making business and the fan feeds the kitty. They know it and they don't care if you are a happy fan or not. There are thousands throughout the league waiting to grab a PSL and season tickets when a fan has decided that he has had enough. Football is now just like the movies. It's entertainment. If you are not happy with it, find a new hobby. Win or lose , each week life goes on for all of us regardless. The Ravens are having a bad season and we all need to realize it happens to all teams at some point. We have won 2 SuperBowls in 12 years and made the playoffs more than any other team in that period. Relish that accomplishment. The Ravens will be back in the hunt before you know it and this year will be forgotten in the blink of an eye. That is how this fan is looking at it. I actually predicted back in AUG that Flacco would incur an injury that would sideline him for part of the season. We all know what would happen if that did occur. I also felt that a 7-9 record was in the cards after watching the pre-season games. It's called reality folks. Face it.

Valid points... although I'm pretty sure the Pats went to the playoffs more times than any other team in that span between our two SB wins.  We might be 2nd or 3rd but we have not gone the most.    

The story of this years Ravens - ground hogs day. Another mindless call like Harbs decision to go for it on 4th and 9 deep in their own territory, Another dumb penalty by defense, another 2 INT QB performance, another player on IR, and another press conference full of excuses. I love my team, but sometimes I wonder if Harbs is in denial. If the Steelers roll into M&T and light it up , maybe Harbs and OZ will realize how far behind the Ravens are sinking in the AFC North.

Harbs is definitely in denial and I've pointed this out before.  Until now, he's never had a losing season or has had to deal with this much catastrophe on all levels (significant injuries, losing your durable starting QB, horrible refs, players committing numerous stupid penalties, you name it) .  It's like he doesn't know what to do.  As for going for it on 4th and 9 in our own red zone, it was pretty stupid and unnecessary given the score and point in the game.  But I guess Harbs said to himself, "What the heck?  The season is over I might as well try something stupid on special teams."  The worst part is there are fans on here that are defending that decision.  SMH  Anyways, I think the whole organization has lost its way since the SB and since losing legendary players like Ray Ray and Ed Reed.    

Turnovers the story of the season....wwll before Joe got injured....

Blame Trestman.....

He is allergic to the run game. Every game just about Flacco threw it 40 plus times...leaving the defense out to dry, and losingbtime of possession battle.

Thats not Raven Football.

Running 25 times a game, so Joe only has to pass 30-35x...and winning time of possession and keeping defense fresh and ready..

Thats Ravens football

Ciaching totally failed in that this year

Part of the problem is the Ravens often can't get anything going with the run game early on.  I've seen several times in a game where opposing defensive players are getting into the backfield to stop run plays before Flacco could even hand the ball off dag on near...

Another thing is our offensive rarely seems to get going until the 2nd half.  Our defense usually does a good job with keeping opposing offenses from running away with the game early on, but by the time our offense gets going the D loses steam and so we have to constantly play from behind.  When you're in a play from behind situation all the time, it usually dictates a lot of passing to gain greater yards vs. trying to run when we've had little success at it in the first place. 

These are grown men playing for millions. If they lack discipline, then there's no coaching change that will help that, because a lack of discipline from an adult is 100% a personal problem.

What, do you think John walks up to Jernigan before the game and say " hey Timmy, as soon as the QB lands out of bounds, drill him so we get a penalty"? Do you people really think there's a coach on the planet that does that?

I disagree.  If this is the case then all 32 teams can just fire everyone in their coaching staff right now and both the NFL and individuals teams can also get rid of their rules and fines for inappropriate behavior - as they should be able to trust that grown men with millions will always do the right thing...

In the real world, it just doesn't work that way.  Adults sometimes need motivation and discipline just like teens and children do, especially grown millionaires.    You have to remember that most of these NFL players are still young adults (not fully matured) who've come in to extreme fame and fortune almost overnight.  It's a lot to handle for a young adult.  A strong coach can absolutely help keep such players focused and disciplined. 

For example: All season long, I've been hearing other fans on this site say that this team lacks leadership and would benefit from retired players like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed coming back to coach in some capacity.  And you know what?  They are right.

I'm just tired of hearing players own up to mistakes and dumb penalties AFTER these games. Just do your job during the game please! That's all...

Fake punt was a great call! 31 and 41 Miss their guy, If they've had blocked their guy, Sam woulda have the 1st down. I can not believe must of you guys are really that ignorants, Go on a neg me, But i support John harbaugh it was a great call with 2 guys missing 1 block,  We were 1 block away from getting the 1st down. Stop saying that was a stupid call, At least i appreciate the effort of my team. Keep fighting Ravens! 90 % of us real fans know about football and we support you guys!

OK, we were 4-9 coming in to the game and had nothing to play for so people like you give Harbs a pass on probably one of the dumbest decisions a coach can make... Fine.  But there's no way in heaven you'd be singing the same praise if we were still in contention.  

Going for it on 4th and 9 deep in your own territory in the 1st quarter when it's only a 1 possession game is foolish (we basically gift-wrapped 6 points with that call), and there's no justification for it to happen, EVER!!!  

here's another guy who only reads what he wants to read... 

no you dont, you're just reaching to be obstinate.

and no they're not. There are plenty of valid justifications if you actually understand the game. what truly IS rare (even in Schaub's case) is that the turnover is all the QB's fault.

Don't tell me what the heck I'm thinking. I stand by what I said. Flacco has made some boneheaded interceptions, no, just boneheaded throws period this year... And "all" his fault or not, he's had way too many picks this year. 12 to be exact - compared to 14 TDs in 10 games. Please tell me what can be valid in that interception record?  It's a pattern that can't be blamed on anyone else.  Heck, Flacco himself admitted a few weeks back that he needed to stop making stupid decisions. Guess you weren't watching that week...  No matter, because all season long Flacco was throwing off his back foot. (Even an elementary school kid playing flag football knows better.) Guess you'd like to blame that too on someone other than the QB you idolize.

But keep your blinders on and have a nice day (or night).  

Impossible to think we would have won this game if that TD counts. Every single play that occurs after it dramatically changes with that TD.

 

We may have scored that TD and lost by 20. 

You have a valid point, but the fact of the matter is we were still robbed of 7 points... PERIOD.  Not to mention, since our defense had Miami's number, I hardly think we'd have lost by 20 points (well, unless Schaub threw 3 more picks).

Remember what Ray said...."Don't let the game be in the refs hands". If we were really a dominant team we wouldn't need to worry about a few bad calls. I know it is very frustrating man, but at the same time I just have to remind myself, we are still a struggling team regardless. 

Yea we have our problems but you ever think that maybe the reason we haven't dominated some of these games is because the refs are flag happy throughout the game when it comes to the Ravens?  For example, that OPI that whipped out Daniel Brown's TD in the first qt against Miami?  Those are points that were robbed from us early on in the game.  Not getting them has a huge affect on the way the rest of the game is played and ultimately, the outcome of the game itself.   

Did the NFL own up to their refs mistake yet?

At this point I don't care if they own up to it.  They know they are purposely sabotaging the Ravens season, and when they come and "own up to it" the next day or so later, to me, it really just equates to the NFL throwing it in our faces that they hate our team and are purposely keeping us out of the postseason... 

After the NFL said don't criticize our refs publicly the Ravens have been pounding them from coach to team website. I would be surprised if the Ravens don't get a hefty fine especially since the coach called it the worst call ever to the team website expounding on it. I have commented as recently as two weeks ago that since the season is a wash let's bring Daniel Brown up. After what he showed, I don't see why he didn't get more time. Especially since we only had 1TE and Brown is a big boy. Urschel reporting fiasco (cost a TD in one score game), the blown PI call on Hill that would have ended game, the Jaguars call at end of game, and yesterday's call on Brown is 4 games we should have won but the NFL ripped us off. Add the 5 of 7 away games to start the season, 2 two game trips to the west coast and it's hard to believe the NFL isn't shafting the Ravens for some reason. If you complain your a conspiracy theory nut but if T Sizzle and Ray Ray thought the super bowl blackout was a set up, this year makes that look like nothing.

You remember how everyone was saying this offseason that the Ravens and Seahawks were likely to make the SB?  I think we could easily have had a winning record and been even ahead of the Steelers by now if the refs hadn't been so blatantly biased against our team.  It's like a sports analyst said a few weeks back, "the Ravens are the best bad team in NFL history." 

NFL execs saw that we could make another run, as well as everyone else, and came up with a plan to ensure it wouldn't happen - at all costs.  We've really been disliked by the league for a while now, but this year it has been blatantly obvious, even to fans of other teams.  For one thing, our division has one of the NFL's (and country's) fav teams (Steelers).  And with everyone having such high expectations for the Steelers this year, it makes so much sense for the NFL to make the Steeler's road to the postseason a little easier by sabotaging at least one of the teams in this division that was crowded with post-season contenders.  Guess which team that was?  

My one thought: It's now evident to me that despite the late collapses and secondary issues, our defense is actually better than we originally thought. No matter the opponent, we've been in every game this season right up to the end.

Now, while our special teams has literally won us just about all of our wins, our D has held opposing offenses to little to no points in the 1st half of just about all our games. If our offense wasn't plagued with slow starts and turnovers (under two separate veteran QBs no less), we'd probably be leading the pack for a wildcard spot right about now. So, since we have someone in at QB that isn't number 5, and the results are pretty much the same, I'm going to go out on a limb and credit the close games to the D and special teams.

Schaub did not play like Flacco. Schaub threw two picks and one of them was worth 6 points for the other team.

Im not saying Flacco doesnt throw picks. The difference is

1) you treat Schaub's picks like an inevitability. you sit there the whole time just wondering when theyll come

2) When Flacco throws picks its usuall because his line cant protect him, and/or his receivers are bad, and/or its late in the game, he's out of options, and has to try to make the game winning play.

Schaub just makes dumb decisions.

At this time, I have no personal opinion about how Schaub compares to Flacco leading Raven's offense.  It's too early!!!

That said, let's keep it real here - please do not sit up here and actually pretend that some of Flacco's interceptions this year were not the result of some truly bone-headed, dumb, yes DUMB decisions he made, because some were.. (I can point them out if you'd like, but is that really necessary?)  And Flacco has certainly racked up his fair share of interceptions lately himself.  (Neg vote all you want but the truth can't be neg voted: check the stats.)  So much so, that I've actually started to "sit and wonder" when they will come.  

And while sometimes an interception is truly not the QB's fault, much of the excuses you gave for Flacco's picks were just that - excuses.  When it comes to any turnover there are rarely any valid justifications... 

Get well soon Joe! You are one tough dude! 

Yeah, Flacco is tough, this is one area nobody can argue about - his durability.  Seeing him not only get hurt today, but lost for the season (maybe longer) is surreal.  (Even my cousin who's a bandwagon Steelers fan hit me up to express shock.)  Ravens fans have been spoiled for so long - to not have to go through the back-up QB issues of other teams for the past 7 years - you'd almost think prior to today that Flacco was a superhero - incapable of being hurt.  I sure wish we had Tyrod Taylor right about now, but oh well... Can't cry over spilled milk.  I'll throw my support behind Schaub!  Get well soon Flacco.  GO RAVENS!     

Good grief, when it rains it pours. Prayers for the family. Stay strong, I'm sure the Ravens family there will support you.

I've had criticism of Flacco in the past and he's struggled the last two seasons, but really, he's a good QB and the one constant thing we had going for us. Now, it's a whole new ball game without him and I have to say I don't feel too good right now. I'm physically sick.

Not so fast my friend...we are what are record say we are...1 and 6.

I totally agree.  I was only pointing out that if people on here, Raven's fans no less, can use these "what if" scenarios to say the Ravens should really be 0-7, then we can just as easily turn that around and say we should be 7-0, given how close all the loses have been.  But I agree wholeheartedly - we are what our record says we are which, BTW, does include a win. No matter how we got there, a win is a win - and it wasn't handed to us by the zebras, either.  

I just wish Ravens fans would stop trying to concede the one win we got to Pittsburgh.  

Good teams overcome bad red calls. Good teams play so well, that they can win regardless. We are a not a good team. Our entire team basically sucks, outside of Tucker, from Flacco on down. If it didn't, we wouldn't be 1-6. And in all honesty, we should by all rights be 0-7. This is not "playing like a Raven", and Harbaugh claims it is, then he needs to go.

We should be 0-7?  Hmmm, let's turn that around...   We just as well should/could be 7-0 right now too or at least 4-3.  In each game, it came down to the last play.  One clutch play made "here" - one bad call NOT made "there", and we'd have won more of these games.

But everyone (Ravens fans at that) keep defecating all over our only "win" simply because a Pittsburgh player messed up.  Well, what about our players (and those refs) that messed up in the games we lost?  The outcome could have been different had they not screwed up - or do these little "should have/could have" scenarios only work for giving away the only win that we got?

Story of our season, if it's not one thing it's another. It's sad when every single time we make a nice play the only thing that goes through your mind is " man I hope there's no flags " or " alright where's the flag this time..." ...it shouldn't be like that. Not only that but it's like they've got it completely backwards and when there's a blatant call to make that's plain as day they fail to See it. Ofcourse when you see the flag thrown after a big play from the other team it gets mysteriously picked up.

It may seem like sour grapes and it's really no excuse- but it certainly doesn't help.

Man you nailed that - I thought I was the only one to felt this way.  It's gotten to the point where on every play where we gain nice yardage or 1st down (when we finally get one), I'm biting my nails hoping and praying that no flag comes out.  Because you just know if the flag flies it's going to be against our offense...  Same feeling when the D is on the field.  Listen, I know some of our players are making clear, idiot mistakes this season, but a lot of times, the refs are just simply too "flag happy" when it comes to our team. 

The Ravens are really an 0-7 team with a 1-6 record. You really think the Ravens would have beaten the Steelers if Ben had played?

Or maybe the Ravens are a 7-0 team with a 1-6 record...  Every game we played in was winnable.  Do you really think we'd be losing as many games as we have if we didn't have so many injuries ourselves this year?  Every team at some point has key injured players whose lose is truly felt during games they miss, not just Pittsburgh.  Can anybody say "T-Sizzle"?  And who's to say we couldn't have beat Pittsburgh with Ben?  Everyone thought the Cardinals and Cincy would totally destroy us, but they didn't.  It was right down to the wire.  And if you really think about it, it's the worse QBs that have fared the best against our defense. 

I'm also tired of hearing about how we would have lost if the Steelers kicker hadn't missed.  Yea?  Well let's turn that around - maybe we would have won some of these games if we had receivers who could catch.  Or maybe we'd have won some of our loses if we had players that didn't make bone-headed penalty-causing mistakes at critical times.  What about a QB who doesn't throw off his back foot and miss wide open receivers?  Anyway, you get the point.  So, can we please just accept the dang on "win" we got and stop crapping all over it?  

If I were a conspiracy theorist, I'd swear the NFL brass has it in for the black and purple this year...

jek81791? I'm seriously convinced we "can't" beat anyone this year. Not even the 0 - 6 Lions!!! That's just how bad we are. We seem to play good in short spurts, and then by the end of the game we've run out of gas and can't sustain a drive or defend our turf long enough to secure a victory. Truth be told, we really should be 0 - 6. If not for the Squeelas missing those 2 field goals, I think we lose there too. 

 

Enough already!  Can we please get credit for the one "W" we got?  I mean really, people keep bringing up those missed field goals and it's really getting old.  Kickers miss field goals people, it happens, especially in Ketchup Field.  But with the way you guys keep talking about it you'd think Scobee's misses were some sort of rare astronomical anomaly.  Hell, by your logic, we really should have won that game against Cleveland if Tucker hadn't missed his field goal; maybe even won the game in SanFran just the same... Give credit to where it's due. Our defense might suck and make bad to average QBs look elite but fact is, they did enough during that Pittsburgh game to stop their offense and force them to kick... They missed, twice, and so we win. End of story!  BTW, the Lions are 1-5 (like us), not 0-6.