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17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not that you should put much stock into a 20 second clip from ota but he was double catching really bad in that clip, and it's a problem he had in college. I really hope he can work that out because as soon as he drops a pass in a game the fan base will lose their minds

True the clip didn't show smooth hands but we knew last yr he wasn't the smoothest catcher. He's a taller and faster Torrey smith.  In time I hope you gets smoother with the catches but as long as he makes the big plays and helps the offense win I'm not complaining 

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

A "mistake" all 32 NFL teams made.

Ravens made a "mistake" by not drafting Tom Brady also. So whats the point?

A mistake is a mistake regardless of how many others emulate it. But again that wasn't my point in saying the only udfa that we let go that ended up suceeding is Harrison. 

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

We really talking about James Harrison here?  Both us and the Steelers cut him multiple times.  Just because he finally came into his own 2 years later doesn't mean it was a mistake.

No we are talking about how often the Ravens give udfas a chance and I never said it was a mistake to let him go.  

If I were to dive into it try and refer to it as a mistake I'd discuss the guys kept over him and their failures...

The Ravens consistently give udfa chances. if they can play they'll get to play. Think the only udfa we didn't find room for that turned out good was James Harrison 

For one they are both relatively inexpensive. Second we haven't made any cuts so they, like everyone else on the 90 man gets a chance to compete.  Three if it was about pride Elam wouldn't have been buried on the depth chart prior to injury last yr. 4th it's only may both can show themselves to be serviceable in our system or get cut before August. Show. Some.  Patience. 

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

Then Why Ravens wouldn't sign T-O or Ocho Cinco  7 years ago? isn't something about them two players why Ravens didn't want them? They both could have help Flacco get in Super bowl in his rookie year.

You're a newer Ravens ran huh?

1st by definition a free agent can go where he wants which is why ocho wanted to play with Brady and TO wanted to play in Philly. 

2nd and most important when talking about Baltimore wanting TO. They clearly did by trading for him only to have TO get the deal nixed which takes us back to the 1st point. 

On May 18, 2016 at 5:55 AM, usmccharles said:

Good point, im going to start using Italic for that.  That word even sounds sarcastic...

Just use orange or brown as anything written in clevelands colors isn't meant to be taken seriously 

9 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

he said UDFA also

I'd take hartwell over Scott both on the field and cause he married Rudy huxtable 

16 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Economics 101, supply and demand.  I would somewhat agree with what you said if he said 'teams' but he said players and used an example of a team with one of the best players at his position. I don't think it correlates to a said player, rather the economy in the city.  Im in San Diego, I expect the tickets to cost more than it would if I lived in Cleveland, without even knowing who is on the roster. 

Fair enough especially considering cost of living and taxes it's safe to believe that tickets in CA will have a higher face value. 

As as for the OP. He used the Browns as an example of a team throwing games for a higher draft pick while ignoring the last time they had the top pick was over a decade ago. 

Then decided to use the lions for an example of a team who isn't paying its players despite being shown three players who were amongst highest paid at their positions. 

Now is is trying to use ticket prices to say it's proof they don't wanna win this after he even said they were too high given detroits citizens economic standing. 

As I said before he's just flinging poo at the walls.  what's amusing to me is using ticket prices to gauge a teams attempt at on field success. This while ignoring where kc is ranked who also has one of the most rabid fan bases and not even touching jax who has the cheapest tickets but has been aggressive in player acquisitions. 

None of his arguments have been based in reality nor has he even attempted to back anything up with consistent data. 

By definition it's Trolling 

http://www.statista.com/statistics/193595/average-ticket-price-in-the-nfl-by-team/

and to back up usmc post. Lions within $3 of the steelers and cards and higher than cincy and kc 

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

So now we are using ticket prices as a basis of how good players are on a specific team are?  San Fran had the 3rd highest ticket prices last year, guess because of all those stars they have.  I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that it has something to do with the economy of said city, just a guess.  Cinci has one of the most loaded rosters in the entire NFL, 71$ average ticket price....Where do you come up with some of this stuff? 

He's just flinging poo at the walls hoping something sticks 

Before I forget. Look at the salaries of Stafford, Calvin and suh. The situation they were in wasn't from a lack of spending 

49 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

A lot cause Clay Ford is cheap Lions have no real stars so who would really want to watch them?

He pointed out that the team is paying the players as evident by where the salary cap is. Your rebuttal actually shows they are to be commended for paying players due to no income from home team fans. 

So again what does you claiming ticket prices aren't getting fans in seats have to do with him stating the team is inline with others in regards to salary cap. 

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Let me ask you this,If you lived in Detroit,What would be the purpose to spend your money to watch the Lions play? Name one great star they have worth watching for $60 sitting upper level. 

What does that have to do with what he said. 

12 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

seems to be some care more about individual accomplishments rather then team accomplishments.

its all about who has the best team and not who has the best group of individuals.

 

True. Iirc early 90s Cowboys didn't have pro bowl defenders but still accomplished team goals 

10 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

What is your definition of elite ?

This. I mean Mosley was a pro bowler his rookie yr and Williams is regarded as one of the best NT but in order to be elite. Well to me anyway, they'd need to maintain high level of production for a long time. By my view very few players in the league are elite.  

Not a bad thing I'm just not as liberal with using the elite term. 

I don't like the idea that owners are choosing not to improve due to large profits. The reality is that they all know the better the team performs on a consistent basis the higher the profit margin. 

They all know that performing like the patriots gives them the most return on their investments.  Despite how people view Jerry jones he understands that very well. 

lol. So your whole debate is to ignore reality. Yes, yes we should completely change the rules because you think a team that hasn't had the first pick since 2000 has been throwing games to gain the top pick. 

I don't know what's worse. Your inability to see that the top pick alone doesn't change a loser around or your insistence on using the Browns in hopes that people would make an illogical yet purely emotional agreement with your nonsense. 

The he top of the draft has been relatively unpredictable in terms of having both the 1 and 2 picks in a draft both be perennial pro bowlers that it's foolish for a coach or gm to risk their jobs for a pick that doesn't always pan out. 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/alltimeno1

the guys that you think teams have thrown games for.

So your justification for a lottery is the team who was picking second traded out of the spot?

the idea of a lottery in the Nba is to avoid 30+ games of a team tanking and getting the top pick in a league where one pick sways the balance of a team tremendously. It's 25% of your starting line up. 

Nfl is different in that your first round pick, despite getting credit, is never getting it done alone. One reason why the Titans ultimately had a top 2 pick  two years straight 

but it yeah look at the Browns and how vastly different they're front office and coaches are.  That's exactly why nfl teams aren't throwing games. 

1 hour ago, Cville-Raven said:

It's quite a bit more than several and then you have teams like the Chiefs and Jets who haven't won it in over 40 years.

Winning 2 since 1996 is quite an accomplishment but the damn pats make it easy to down play it.  

31 minutes ago, Winchester said:

You asked who is paying him for his insight as if there is no credit or fact in what his opinion is

there is no fact in his opinion 

Yeah cause I'm clearly talking about just one season and not the entire harbaugh tenure 

3 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Mark my words.  If the Browns are patient with Hue, they might be feeling sorry for us and the Steelers in 3 years.  This is a huge draft for us.  If our guys don't pan out, things can get real ugly the next few years.

Don't think we will drop off. Do think the afcn will be way more competitive from top to bottom. 

Who said he didn't know what he's talking about. Just pointing out your desire to embellish what was said.  He disagrees with ONE pick. That doesn't mean predicting a losing season. The only thing he can really do is say Ozzie isn't always right with his choices and cite our desire to sign him as proof that Ozzie makes mistakes 

No and the discussion of teams throwing it in for the top pick are ridiculous. Typically if a team is that bad where they are getting the top pick there's a lot of turnover on the staff and amongst the players. So why would people sacrifice their careers so someone else benefits from it? 

The second reason I say the thought of coughing up games for a high pick is silly is because the second, third, fourth, etc round also play a major factor in building a championship team.  Right now our best OL is a former 3rd round pick. Those types of picks are how contenders are made