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Those saying yes have visions of Elliot dancing in their head and believe we should draft the next one. I'm not convinced that there is such an RB in this draft and also have to remind people that Elliot, while clearly super talented, performed based on the O line in front of him. Think of this - had we drafted Elliot ... what would he have looked like in 2016? 

I suppose it is possible that we'll feel the BPA is going to be an RB, I don't think that will be the case. And if we even use need as a tie-breaker for tier 1 talent, an RB will not be taken 16th overall in this draft. 

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You can always tell who watches tape and who doesn't. I myself don't have any special access to anything, I just use draftbreakdown and what I can find on YouTube, which I feel is plenty for just posting on draft forums. But the big thing is knowing what to look for in any bit of tape you watch, indicators and traits and what not. 

I really hate what highlight channels have stooped to. There used to be some real solid highlights that gave a glimpse to what makes a player good, but now it's all special effects and horrible camera angles and 1 second clips of impact. I mean have you seen Harris highlights? It's unwatchable and it used to be a great channel

Exactly ... which is why I don't bother to look at any of it because I'm honest with myself in that I don't really know what to look for. 

45 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

yah but you goin back.  on that roster were a bunch of stars and solid role  players.  you cant go back. joe can't go back not even to 2012. you can only move on.  the huge dead cap hit by tradin joe this offseason is part of the comprehensuv plane. strong pic position and strong pics is the only way to get this team back. otherwis you got joe playin out his deal on a team without league class stars and play makers which is mendosa line from now until who knows when. we may be able to get even mor than two 1's from clevland but first you have to admit the problem. if he cant admit the problem he cant fix it. pitsburg is in the AFC title game.

Fine. I was simply responding to a post that was discussing that specific play 

So - on your topic of looking forward. Look at the teams at the top of the league and tell me how many of them got there by using a "comprehensuv plane" that involved being horrific for years in order to get strong "pic" positions? Oakland is the closest thing, but I'd dare say they aren't significantly better than we are. Heck - tell me what teams have managed to do this over the course of history? You could mention a team like Indy, but it took 2 decades of suck to finally land that pick from another planet in Manning. 

Burning your franchise to the ground so that you can suck for 5 years or more is not a winning strategy. 

1 hour ago, jdynamite said:

Now instead of try to land both feet he should have just cradled the ball and fell to the ground.. I remember Chris Carter saying if he had just fell then one knee is as good as 2 feet and the defender can't make a play for the ball.  

Ugh ... I hate revisiting this play. But this is spot on and I remember Carter's comments the next day on Mike and Mike. Not only did he try to land on both feet, it looked like he wanted to turn up field. You are in the end zone ... where else do you need to go? A receiver that knows how to catch TDs envelops that ball and there is no chance for a defender to poke it away. 

So - semantics ... it was not a "drop", but it was a play that absolutely should have been made (not that there was a lot at stake ...) 

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Is this sarcasm? Lol

Yes - it is sarcasm ... hence the LOL. 

I just feel like there are times when people will say they've looked at a player's "tape", when all they've done was look at their highlight reel ... which of course is laughable.

Personally, I look for other people to give me their opinions on prospects, because I'm not going to pretend to be a talent evaluator. I do not seek out anyone's tape, because I wouldn't be able to say one thing or another about it anyway.

O line is one of many intriguing areas to address in this offseason. The biggest questions initially revolve around whether or not to retain Wagner. Of course, at this stage we don't know what kind of money it would take for us to prevent him from even testing the waters. I'm of the opinion (based on history) that if he gets to FA, he's gone. 

I just noted a mock that has us taking Cam Robinson in the first round, based on the prediction that both we don't resign Wagner, that he's not viewed as a top 15 OT and that Ozzie loves Bama. Personally, since OT appears rather weak this year - I suspect he'll be gone before we're on the board. I also think it is more likely that we move Lewis to RT if we lose on Wagner and will draft (2nd round or later) along with FA help for the interior line. 

HOWEVER .... if Robinson somehow falls to us at 16 and we let Wagner walk, do you think he just can't be passed up? It would be tempting. 

15 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I guess we all actually watch film rather than just highlights of the players

There's a difference? LOL. 

On 11/22/2016 at 8:08 AM, Robbyrobbass said:

Mike Williams  we need to go grab him

I think Mike Williams will be easily viewed as top 10 and perhaps could break the top 5. Trading up there to get him will take more than a king's ransom. Don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to have him but I think the reality is he's just going to be one of those guys that we will covet in our dreams but won't have a real chance at being a reality. 

3 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

rooted for joe for years. thought he turned th e corner in 2012.  he didn't. just would point out in the last meetin of the year dalton lacked most of his weapons. green, ifert, hill, givovana. dalton had a 101 ratin to joes 70. 8 yards per attempt to joes 5.  we just gota trade joe asap

our red riffle is sam darnold. it we don't go hard for him it would be a big big mistake

don't think anyone hates joe. just don't want to endur his average play with elite pay smh and the horror cap probs it causes. the comprehensuv plan to gain from joes leavin is the sure way to turn us around and drink sweet lemonaid from a sour lemon.

.. and by "ASAP", I hope you realize that is leading up to the 2019 season . If you want to see some REAL "horror cap probs" - work out a trade for him for this offseason. smh. 

24 minutes ago, nj_ravens said:

"ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective."

It seemed like they were liking him at ilb, but Orr was just better. Team wasn't expecting it. Wanted to get Correa on the field so started working him outside. High learning curve for Correa, learning 2 spots as a rookie, when his really not a "smarts" player but an instinct/motor guy. Should do better this year.

I was just under the impression, based on what he was in college and what his draft analysis was, that he was going to be an edge rusher that we needed (and still need) to prepare for the inevitable issue we will have when Suggs and Doom are done. Then, we moved him inside during camp and then he lost his job to Orr. 

We tried to use him during preseason (second team) inside and he was basically invisible, so it unfortunately doesn't feel like he just got edged out of the ILB starting job. Sure - tough learning curve and no doubt he could step up in 2017 (I'm really hopeful he does), but I'm just saying he's still a bit of an unknown. 

20 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

It's gotta be Dixon for me. Watching him progress as the year went along, watching him consistently breaking tackles and almost never going down on first contact, gets me pretty pumped to see what he can do with his rookie season under his belt. If we beef up the Oline and perhaps get a decent center in here after watching Zuttah regress, he can have a stellar year next season. I truly don't understand the buzz for another running back. If Dixon and West aren't consistently being hit in the back field I do believe they'd break more long runs. I think we need to focus this offseason on other needs. 

I think it is driven almost completely by the out of this world performance by Elliot this season. People see a player just blast onto the scene and suddenly they think their team should have one too. Of course, the foundation for his performance was laid by years of drafting a world-class O line. I've heard it said that Dixon is serviceable, but we need an explosive threat. Sounds great - but exactly what will we need to do to get that explosive back and will he be all that explosive if our O line performs the way it did this past year?  

So - I agree completely. I think Dixon should be our primary option in the backfield and we expend resources to get better up front. People sometimes forget we can't have it all and need to understand if we make getting a (potentially) more dynamic an RB, that will leave another issue unaddressed. 

I still don't know what Correa is - I thought we drafted him to be an edge rusher, but then we tried first to using him inside and ultimately he didn't give any indication where he can play and be effective. We need Correa to step up in 2017 and contribute somewhere in a significant way. I don't want to hear that we need to draft for Orr's loss. We have too many other places that need to be addressed. Back fill ILB and draft secondary, edge rush and O line.

  22 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

I don't expect Reed to coach in Baltimore till there is a regime change of HC. I don't think Reed truly wants to coach under Harbaugh because they didn't get along very well and its documented. Also, I don't know if he likes to be in a regimented coaching environment. He's perhaps by nature a free flower much like he was when he played. That doesn't a good coach make.

So true. There are people around Baltimore that don't like Ed Reed and wanted him gone years before SB.but the people in Baltimore can relate. Ed's knowledge of the QB's he faced is priceless. You don't have to like the man but you have to respect the man. Something a know-it-all will never get.

Well - Ed is my all time favorite Raven and I'd LOVE to see him with the organization. However, there is no denying that players with off the charts skills rarely succeed in the coaching ranks. My favorite quote relating to this was when Curt Flood said how worthless it was to try and get hitting pointers from Stan Musial. He said it was like asking a bird how to chirp.

“... you have to realize that a lot of what we’ve been doing isn’t necessarily his offense."

Understood. This is the main reason why I didn't freak when I learned that Marty was staying on. There is a ton of room for improvement in terms of having well designed plays that are tailored to suit the skill set of the players we have. I'm really hopeful that he can get this unit on track AND sticks around for more than a year or two.

38 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

La Canfora is a terrible reporter, almost as bad as Jason Cole.

Well - he was half right ... right player, wrong news. I liked his initial speculation better than the reality. 

I can't imagine how hard it is for the player to make this decision. How hard these guys work to reach the level they are playing at is something we can hardly imagine - especially for a guy like Orr who had to scratch and claw his way from the ranks of the undrafted to being a starting player in the NFL. There must be real permanent injury concerns here if he's decided to hang them up. 

Best of luck to you in the future, Zack. Forever a Raven. 

Now, FO has another hole to fill. 

I feel for Raiders fans. They are some of the most rabid fans out there and have been dealing with a crap team for a long time. They've been jerked around before and now, just as it looks they've got some solid young talent, they get yanked away again. Franchise moves are almost always a tragedy, especially when they involve long-time franchises. 

I'll just wait for the alert on my phone ... 

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

We're also calling a press conference though, which isn't customary either.  Regardless, I'd expect it to be Juice or someone like that if it is a re-signing.

Yeah ... Juice would be probably the biggest name I'd anticipate. I just don't think it will be Wagner or Williams. 

Another possibility ... could it be an extension for someone? Anyone going into their last year of their contract that we might be giving a new contract? Perhaps Mosley? 

12 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Weddle couldn't stop A. Brown or C. Wentz from making game winning touchdowns against us. We might still be playing if he decided to make some tackles. He also displayed hands like Perriman on a few balls that hit him right in the chest, I don't know who complies these fraudulent defensive numbers,  but Weddle along with Webb, aren't that good.

Many (and not just those in Ravens Nation) thought he was a pro-bowl snub. But apparently he's worthless. 

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Ravens holding a press conference tomorrow at 11am with Harbaugh and Ozzie.  Jerry Coleman hears it's about a player.  Potential re-signing already?  Nothing major referring to those who overreacted and assumed Ozzie was retiring or something.

 

It could possibly mean that the player involved isn't major. I'd be surprised if we already signed of one of our more high valued FAs. 

2 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Mods warned me about certain things not to bring up on this forum. I gotta becareful here. 

No need for the persecution complex ... this is a Non-Ravens talk thread and the topic is NFL ratings decline, which by definition is the business of television. 

Please, feel free to comment on that topic here  

This article basically says to get the run game going we not only need to beef up the O line, but also get a break-away threat in the backfield. Given we clearly need help at WR as well, that leaves little resources left to address problems on defense. I like the sound of getting ourselves to be dominant up front and make the run game a threat again, as maybe, just maybe it will allow Flacco to return to his previous level of play and then we'll just have to hope that the defense can hold up enough to allow us to win games. 

All the talk about what we lost after the super bowl season revolves around the obvious departures of Lewis, Reed and Boldin. Rarely do I ever hear anyone mention Matt Birk. That guy was a mainstay in the middle of our O line and was one of the best FA pickups we've ever had. Our run game has basically not been right since he left, with the disastrous promotion of Gino the following year and the up-and-down performances from Zuttah. 

19 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

If we had beaten the Steelers and lost to the bengals we would have still made the playoffs.

I don't think that's the case, but I don't want to bother going back and looking since it really doesn't matter.