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    1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

    I want everyone who thinks they know their stuff to post who you wouldve (or who ozzie shouldve if youre one of those that thinks oz should be fired) taken at our pick(s) with who was left on the board.

    Theres a lot of talk around here and this is closing. Time to walk the walk.

    Put your rep on the line and make the picks within the reality of the situation the team is dealt. And then we can save the ones we care about, critique in a year or 2 or 3 (i hope we all merge somewhere else and stay active), and then make fun of how bad we all are at evaluating talent even though we think we're great.

     

     

    We do this anyway. It's always been done. They just delete the draft sections every year and it's lost

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    3 hours ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

    Umm no from what I heard 

    It's between 

    Rueben Foster, Hassan Reddick, Forrest Lamp, Corey Davis might come down to the last 2 I named. 

    There is a reason these are the names your hearing. Ravens would never ever leak who they actually want. Just be prepared that all 4 are on the board and we go elsewhere

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    8 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

    From 2009 onwards...

    2009:

    Cedric Peerman somehow with the Bengals 6 years after we drafted him and he didn't even make the final roster

    Total = 1

     

    2010:

    Morgan Cox was undrafted but we can count him to be nice

    2010 Total = 2

    New Total = 3

     

    2011:

    Tyrod Taylor made one in 2015 after he left here

    2011 Total = 1

    New Total = 4

     

    2012:

    K.O. made a pro bowl this past year after leaving us

    Technically Tucker wasn't drafted by us as he was undrafted but we can count him as well

    2012 Total = 3

    New Total = 7

     

    2013:

    Juice made a pro bowl this past year

    2012 Total = 1

    New Total = 8

     

    2014:

    CJ has done very well for us here with 2014 and 2016 both being pro bowl level years for him

    2014 Total = 2

    New Total = 10

     

    I won't go into the past 2 years as the players are all too young to know for sure but I will say that there is some potential with the 2016 class and I am not feeling too great about the 2015 class.

    So we have 10 pro bowls over 6 years of drafting and I would say that there is still room for some growth with CJ and Jimmy Smith to hopefully develop along with maybe Brandon Williams getting recognized. 

    I may do the classes from 2002 to 2008 if there is interest

     

    7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

    Yeah I am too curious to not do 2002-2008 here so lets do it

     

    2002:

    You may have heard of this guy named Ed Reed, he was pretty good. Went to 9 pro bowls

    Since we counted the undrafted guys in recent drafts, we must do the same here. Bart Scott couldn't wait to make the pro bowl in 2006

    Total = 10

     

    2003:

    Sizzle has been to 6

    Ovie Mughelli made a pro bowl in 2010 with the Falcons

    2003 Total = 7

    New Total = 17

     

    2004:

    Didn't get anyone in the actual draft but Don Muhlbach was picked up as an UDFA before going to the Lions and making a pro bowl 8 years later

    2004 Total = 1

    New Total = 18

     

    2005:

    Derek Anderson had that one year in Cleveland he was good and made the pro bowl in 2007

    2005 Total = 1

    New Total = 19

     

    2006:

    Ngata of course made his 5 pro bowls

    Sam Koch also was able to make a pro bowl in 2015

    2006 Total = 6

    New Total = 25

     

    2007:

    Ben Grubbs made 2 pro bowls, once for us and then once with the Saints in 2013

    Yanda has been great making 6 pro bowls for us

    Le'Ron McClain made 2 pro bowls

    2007 Total = 10

    New Total = 35

     

    2008:

    Ray Rice out of Rutgers our Running back

    2008 Total = 3

    New Total = 38

     

    So yeah this is a lot more than 10 and also means that I counted the pro bowls differently than in the list since it doesn't add up to 42. Don't feel like figuring out where the differences are though so whatever.

    This was more classes than in the first post(7 vs 6) but there were some really good classes there and our only top 20 picks were Suggs, Flacco, and Ngata compared to CJ for the more recent stretch. That did not stop our team from finding some serious gems though in Reed and Yanda along with some other good picks in Grubbs and Rice outside that range. Outside the guys listed though we had only 7 total pro bowls so a lot of that total is due to some really good players like Reed, Suggs, and Yanda(who accounted for 21 pro bowls between them and counting as I think Yanda has more in him). 

    Also the 2004 and 2005 drafts were pretty bad

    Thanks for doing that. 5 times more pro bowls. Only 4 of the post 08 guys made the pro bowl with us... 1 full back 1 kicker 1 long snapper and 1 mlb.

    Compare that to pre 08, 9 players made the pro bowl with is... safety mlb pass rush dt punter 2 guards fb and rb.

    Also worth noting only 3 of the 9 were high first rounders.

    Grubbs mid to late first round

    Yanda 3rd

    Rice 2nd

    A few undrafted.

    Proves what I said. We haven't hit anywhere near as much on players who are that upper echelon guys.

    If you even go back pre what andrew done of the top of my head you have cmac Lewis odgen to name a few.

    Either: the game has developed and Ozzie hasn't caught up or other gms have just gotten better

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    7 hours ago, Adreme said:

    It's amazing how once the Ravens started being a perennial playoff team the drafts started getting worse.  It's almost like drafting later reduces the chances of getting the best player in the,draft.

    Yea no. Andrew just done all the work on that. We had 3 top 20 picks prior to 08 and had heaps more success than recently.

     

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    3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

    It seems like both sides exaggerate in arguments about Ozzie just for the sake proving the other side wrong. 

    I don't think he's perfect, but he's been right more often than he's been wrong, which is more than I can say for many GMs over the years. So, yeah, I'll trust him.

     

    He used to be more right that wrong. He's missing at as high a rate as anyone right now.

    He's second round is deplorable of late

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  23. Posted · Edited by arnie_uk · Report post

    2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

    Don't bother Arnie. Ozzie is a god around here. 

    Hes not infallible. I just hate when people go our of their way to defend him.

    I've seen in recent years players hating someone pre draft then change their tune and say in Ozzie we trust as if he's never made a mistake.

    And guess what, low and behold their original assessment was correct

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    34 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

    And how many top picks has he had? Most of those pre-2008 picks were top 10.

    Every pick above 19 hes nailed.

     

    Plus.. Flacco's been selected and turned down, Ray Rice, KO shouldve been if he hasnt, McPhee shouldve been if he hasnt yet, BWill prob shouldve made it 2 years ago, Wagner should have made it 2014 or last year, Juice, Tucker, Koch, Mosley, Stanley will eventually. Jimmy and Webb have each had a season where they were deserving. I think there are a couple who wouldve made it in 2012 if we werent playing in the SB.

    4-5 players... 10+ that have deserved a spot.

    Tell me which team has drafted the most since 2008?

    I hate siding with sami but this post is just hot air. Ozzie was by far and away the best gm up until probably the past 5 or 6 years. Other teams have caught up and probably exceeded him.

    No team has a historic track record like the ravens.

    Many teams have a better current track record than the ravens.

    That's simple facts. Out recent drafts have been poor which is why we have been floundering since 3 potential future hall of hamers left.

    The young talent hasnt been up to scratch and when it was we didn't have cap space to keep em

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