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3 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

No....  Not exactly...  You have guys like Perriman who is very fast, same with Wallace.  They are being double covered, as would most other WR's regardless. My point was that WR's can get seperation if given the time for the play to develop, and by that time the pocket has collapsed and Joe is under pressure, running for his life, and throwing off his back foot.  A very good example would be to watch a Dallas game.  They have the #1 line in the NFL right now.  Dak Prescott has 7 or 8 seconds every play.  Joe is lucky to get 2 or 3.  The announcers talked about all of the Joe Critics.. and how a guy like him is constantly under pressure and doesn't get the time he needs.  And he has been under pressure since 2012.  Most of his successful passes during the SB run were out to the right, because most of his pressure was on his left side back then.  Torrey even had a hard time getting open.  And that they had addressed it very well with Stanley.  I still believe their O-Line is the same as Dallas...  Look at the beginning of the season WITHOUT Br*dy.

The problem with throwing to Wallace and Perriman is that they are only targeted for bombs of 30 or more yards, That's Joe's favorite play and he sits back waiting for them to come open. He's usually under duress before he tries to find an outlet. So looking back, there he was all season long, either forcing the throw, throwing out of bounds, bouncing it or overthrowing it to a rb, or taking the sack. He may have thrown for 4000 yds, but, he is the king of 3 and outs.

3 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

We have bigger problems than that. We need more secondary players, and offensive line guys first.  How about a Center for starters. You can bring in the best WR's in the world, but if you can't block and give Joe the time for them to get open, then you're screwed anyway... Yesterday, nobody could get open. Even the Cincy announcers talked about it.

That's why we need a slot receiver. Someone quick that can get open immediately and is a threat to take it to the house on any touch. You would be amazed how one player can help to open up an entire offense. Our line with Stanley, Lewis, Wagner, and Yanda is quite formidable. We definitely need a Center, but that position can be had in the 3rd or 4th round, with a comp pick. 

Tyreek Hill is a prime example.

29 minutes ago, Johnny-U said:

AGREE! Need two or three things;
(1) better routes,
(2) better playcalling, and
(3) a receiver who will ATTACK THE BALL rather than wait for it to get to him. I noticed this as a sharp contrast to receivers on Payton Manning's teams and the Ravens. Manning's receivers always attacked the ball, getting to it before the defender.

You are preaching to the choir. AAA response.

38 minutes ago, sami said:

its not our receivers, its the stupid routes they run and they way they are taught to run them. Put that on the coaches, not the receivers. It would also help if we had a QB that could hit in them in stride instead of underthrowing, over throwing or hanging the ball in the air for so long.

Our receivers are bad, the entire league and it's fans know that. But, you are spot on with our Qb play

11 minutes ago, Ravensfolyfe said:

Great job Flacco of sending off SSS by throwing mainly to you're bff Pitta more then SSS.

Only 2 players were able to get consistently open, and they were Pitta and SSS. Pitta was open on nearly every play, where Smith was not.. Please review the footage. 

Dean Pees will be our DC moving forward. Anyone who thinks elsewise, doesn't get it.

On 12/30/2016 at 7:58 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

What message do you really think that sends? If I'm a player on that team and they bench the franchise for some poor throws, I'm taking a serious look at the coaching staff and FO and asking myself just what the hell are they doing? And then I'm probably looking at my own situation and asking "if the coaching staff doesn't even have the back of our franchise player, why would I expect them to have my back? Am I going to get benched for a bad day or a few bad plays?"

That's the kind of message you send to a fringe player who doesn't have a Tom Brady-like grip on his job, or a player who's literally been bad for like 10 straight games (Fitzpatrick or Osweiler). 

The message you think its trying to convey doesn't actually work with players you have you entire present and near future invested in. That's how you end up losing the locker room and getting everybody fired.

 

Yeah, coddle them all and give them all trophies. What happens if Joe gives us the same season next year?

On 12/30/2016 at 1:29 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well he had 2 tds dropped against pittsburgh, the game winner 's the skins where perriman didn't get his 2nd foot in, the dropped td vs the raiders, off the top of my head that's 4 tds he delivered and was let down by his receivers. That's also not counting the 3rd down conversions he delivered and were dropped that could have led to more tds. 24-14 is a very respectable statline, especially for an offense in flux shifting their starting OL around for months and changing coordinators midseason.

I remember seeing a few Ints, some could have been pick 6's  that weren't caught too.

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

McCaffrey or Dixon I think Dixon is better we will not have to RBs on the field to get her so in my opinion it is a waste to pick McCaffrey.

I truly believe Mccaffery will primarily be used in the slot, for longevity and playmaking ability. As I mentioned in previous posts, he is the epitome of a swiss army knife. A player capable of playing many positions, including kick returns. I view him as a go to guy, a defensive coordinator's nightmare.

Currently, we are picking in the 16th spot, probably the 20th, once all is said and done.. I have us taking a playmaker on offense and special teams: Christian Mccaffrey.  IMO we would have won more games with a quality offensive weapon.

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Will never be that black and white, it's about what part of each side is elite. 

Build an elite OL and run game, play to the strength of the personnel like running the ball and going deep with the speed and using TEs for the possession game. Keep a TE on the field at all times and avoid the shotgun on first and second down and snap the freaking ball before you hit 3 seconds on the play clock to keep teams from teeing off in the pass rush. 

On defense, maintain balance and build depth. Find a solution for Jimmy Smith and our ridiculous spirals when he goes down. Keep solid guys across the whole field. Elite pass rushers are nice but having 11 solid players is better, that way an offense is less able to target one liability player all day. 

 

Its about balance, well roundedness, and limiting mistakes. Not building one side of the ball to be elite.

I'm with you on everything, except you mention going deep. With our personal we can get deep, but once there we don't fight for the ball, nor has the ball been spot on. We need better chemistry and aggressive wideouts.  I will also continue to post that we need a real slot receiver, someone quick, who puts the fear in opposing defenses, with his play making abilities. 

Solid depth on defense is the name of the game. Having one player go down, shouldn't implode the entire defensive side of the ball.

I especially like:  snap the freaking ball before you hit 3 seconds on the play clock to keep teams from teeing off in the pass rush. 

1 hour ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

Obviously too many losses caused us to miss playoffs again, but who or what was the top reason we missed them?

- Was it Joe, too many picks?

- Was it the OC's bad Play Calling? Or lack of a running game?

- Was it Harbaughs head scratching decisions not to take points in several tight games causing losses, like the fake fg for example?

- Was it the Defense, again this year (3rd year in a row) not being able to hold a 4th quarter lead?

- Was it the DC Prevent Zone scheme causing the blown leads?

- Was it the sparce drafts Ozzie has given us the last several years, not hitting on many 1-3rd round draft picks?

 

Everybody is fussing on details in other threads, I am looking for the #1 TOP REASON we missed the playoffs again, why you think that way, and how you would fix the problem?

 

We had a running game, we had it all year. We just didn't utilize it to it's fullest.

Toss up: The Offensive Coordinators or our Wide receiver scouts.

2 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

20 TDs to 14 Ints is not good in a vacuum, but stop and look at those numbers.

Through the first 9 games he was 9 TD/9 Ints, through the last 6 he's been 11 TDs/5 Ints. He came out rusty from that injury, but to end the season he's turned it around and started to be more confident in his throws. It's also not a coincidence that that turnaround coincides with our Oline making it's own turnaround and Dixon finally getting healthy.

And that last little blurb is exactly why you're not a coach, don't quit your day job. Perhaps you'd be happier in QB limbo, it's worked out wonderfully for the Browns. You guys always complain about Flacco, but something tells me you wouldn't stop complaining if he were benched and started going 5-11 on a regular basis.

I personally like Joe and defend him, but, this year he looked like a deer in headlights. He was very inconsistent and didn't appear take command of the huddle, as the Wr's and he were off kilter. Mallet taking a start, or a few series after some of Joe's mishaps , would have sent a message to all, not just Joe.  

15 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Again, one game sample size. If ANY coach in the league thinks they're going to make some sort of substantial judgement about a players future from ONE game, that coach deserves to be fired. If a fan really thought this, they too should be barred from supporting the team any longer.

Also ignores the fact that we already have a significant sample size from Mallett. The guy played 8 games for us last year and his production was far below anything you've seen from Flacco.

20 TD'S 14 INTS: Horrible

Some int's were game losers and how about the strip sack fumbles? The guy looked slow in decision making, always looking deep, then checking down in front of the first down marker. Given, the receivers were awful, pretty much the norm around here.. I believe he only hit one wr in stride, laughable it was Perriman ,and that went for a TD!

I would have put his million dollar butt on the bench, until he decided to take his game back to where he was awarded the huge salary. The Ravens supposedly paid him for what he would give them in the future. I believe they have been ripped off the last 3 years. 

On 12/27/2016 at 9:11 PM, omar586 said:

by far SSS was our spark of our offense. if he doesn't return, we need someone similar like GARCON.

Stop with the old guys! Let's draft a real receiver who will start and play for the next 15 yrs.

On 12/26/2016 at 8:35 PM, BigMike said:

Lots of people on this thread seem like they hope we lose so we get a better pick. I'm of the belief you never let a losing mind set enter your locker room. Not for any reason. Once it enters, it may be hard to get out (ask the Browns). That said, it would be nice to see the young guys get more playing time. If they do, get them to play for the win!!!!

I would love a loss. I would also put all those so called developmental players on the field to see if they have a future. If not, clean the house and refill. 

I would like to see Elam play outside/ inside LB, cause he sure can't play safety.

On 12/25/2016 at 8:10 PM, omar586 said:

put mallet in, and the rest of the backups, dont risk injuries to starters especially with dirty players on the bengels side.

I kinda like to see if Mallet can make something happen with our offense. This would be an indication if Joe is regressing or not fully recovered physically and mentally for the starting Qb job. He has been awful all year. 

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

 

 

I guess everyone just wants to forget that Weddle stepped up to the podium and told the world that HE blew the coverage.  Weddle was supposed to cover Hogan.  It wasn't on Elam.  But sure, keep blaming him.

Weddle could never tackle Hogan in the open field, so it's a pretty moot point. Even when Wentz and A. Brown were right in his face, he couldn't stop them from scoring.

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

Edelman is not elite and Evans was drafted before Winston.  The Packers have great wrs but Rodgers makes their job easier and vice versa.  Our FO and coaching staff seem to be horrible at finding and developing talent.  Then add in our qb has accuracy issues and that could be part of it.   Let's not forget we dont seem to know how to use what we do have either.

 

Some teams have it, some don't.   Giants know WRs and we know LBs.  There are things Ozzie excels at and others, like receiver, he seems terrible at evaluating.

I think we are losing touch with LB's too

19 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

To look forward to 2017, I first want to look back to 2016. That's where the foundation is. Here is what we have on offense:

QB = locked in (whether you like it or not) through 2019

RB/FB = 2 very inexpensive RB options who complement each other nicely. Dixon was a bright spot for the season and can carry over in 2017. Juice is FA ... and while he is a pro-bowler, few teams value his position, so hopefully we can keep him. 

OL = Wagner is priority #1 for our own FAs. The O line wasn't great, but Wagner was solid and we need to take steps to improve the line and can't take a step back. At a minimum, get better depth. If possible, look for an upgrade for Zuttah. 

TE = I'll not be surprised if we say "lets go young" and shed both Pitta and Watson, but wow ... do we really have faith in these youngsters? This is easily the most disappointing position group on the team. A lot invested with very little to show for it. 

WR = This position group is wafer thin. Wallace's productivity went off a cliff, so do we keep him or cut and save $5M? Perriman still looks lost out there. Moore hasn't shown us anything yet. Camp can catch a punt and run a jet sweep - when he's healthy. This is not an awe inspiring group. It needs to be addressed, but it won't be through the draft. 

 

 

Watson will be coming off a terrible injury at the ripe age of 37, he's gone. We need to hire a wide receiver consultant and tell our scouts to concentrate on other things like next year's pollyanna gift. Otherwise, you are spot on with your assessment!

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Watson had a lot more than just one good season. He had a 68/763 line with the Browns back in 2010, which was basically better than anything Pitta put up in his career until this season. Pitta's career numbers are much weaker than what Watson has put up, and I don't even think most people consider Watson a pass-catching TE. Moot point of course, because Watson won't be back.

2. Pitta's catch numbers are great and all, but he's also in the 8.5 YPC territory, which is very low for any pass catcher. Pretty much anybody catching 75-80 balls a year should have at least 900-1000 yards in most cases, and he's well short of that. Its great to catch a lot of balls, but if its not moving the chains, there's not much point.

As it stands, Pitta will likely only be back if he takes a paycut again. He's due $5.5M next year, which is a lot for a TE, and definitely a lot for a TE who's putting up like 700 yards in a career season. 

Remember, the only reason he kept a roster spot this offseason is because he slashed his salary by about $4M I believe. He may not have to slash that much, but he will definitely need to take a paycut to stick around.

How about : reason #2: Max is only a blocker and is chronically hurt during his short career, #3 Boyle had a ten game suspension, #4 Gilmore is often hurt and couldn't get separation or make a catch in the clutch, in the earlier part of the season. #4 Pitta get's it, he can get open and help the quarterback, like Steve Smith, they are vets and know the game. #5 Waller wasn't ready.

15 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Again, Mom, we went over this before, the Baltimore Beatdown is a glorified blog. Anyone can write an article for the website. But I will give admit that Elam played fairly well in the Bengals game where he had a season high 27 snaps on defense. Before that he was activated in two games and played 3 defensive snaps in each. The next two games after Cincinnati he played 3 and 7 snaps respectively. And for the last two games he hasn't been put on defense at all. I don't think those numbers point to a "drastic improvement". And when you said "Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here" I would have a hard time believing that anyone think this. I don't think you could find anyone on this site to cosign that argument but if you can let me know. Maybe I a just out of touch.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/instant-observations-ravens-30-23-loss

"The Ravens had pulled to within 23-20 and had momentum in the fourth quarter. But after Powers left the game, Matt Elam entered the game to play safety. The Patriots immediately took advantage. Chris Hogan ran right past Elam on a post pattern, and Tom Brady hit Hogan in stride for a 79-yard touchdown. It was a tough spot of Elam to be in. But to give up a touchdown that quickly, that easily, was unacceptable. To say Elam has been a bust as a former first-round pick (2012) would be an understatement."

Also, Hogan blew by him so fast, that Elam stumbled over his own feet trying to turn around.

8 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Again, Mom, we went over this before, the Baltimore Beatdown is a glorified blog. Anyone can write an article for the website. But I will give admit that Elam played fairly well in the Bengals game where he had a season high 27 snaps on defense. Before that he was activated in two games and played 3 defensive snaps in each. The next two games after Cincinnati he played 3 and 7 snaps respectively. And for the last two games he hasn't been put on defense at all. I don't think those numbers point to a "drastic improvement". And when you said "Fact is that just about everyone has been happy with his progress since Weddle got here" I would have a hard time believing that anyone think this. I don't think you could find anyone on this site to cosign that argument but if you can let me know. Maybe I a just out of touch.

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/baltimore-ravens/instant-observations-ravens-30-23-loss

"The Ravens had pulled to within 23-20 and had momentum in the fourth quarter. But after Powers left the game, Matt Elam entered the game to play safety. The Patriots immediately took advantage. Chris Hogan ran right past Elam on a post pattern, and Tom Brady hit Hogan in stride for a 79-yard touchdown. It was a tough spot of Elam to be in. But to give up a touchdown that quickly, that easily, was unacceptable. To say Elam has been a bust as a former first-round pick (2012) would be an understatement."

Yes! Brady saw slooooow Elam lined up across from Hogan and must have done everything to hold back the laughter, as he uncorked the ball. He's on the team because we keep striking out and reaching for safeties. Wideouts are the other swing and miss candidates. Maybe, the Scouting department will pick up a draft book this year.