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It's a little scary that we have not heard or seen anything from Kamalei Correa our second round pick. Little concerning. Just a little.

He had a nice play against the Irsays last game where he came free on a weak side blitz and batted the pass.

  4 hours ago, CLWG said:

I must say that I am excited about the up coming training camp and this year's draft class. I was a little disappointed at first, but after calming down I see the method to the madness of the player's that were picked.

I would have to say the biggest thing I was upset about was passing on Myles Jack, I understand his knee problem and that we still got a great player. In my opinion he just isnt a player that you can pass on in the 2nd round, not only is he a top 5 player when healthy but he is so versatile that he can play any level on the Defense. I understand with the injuries we have had on the team and Perriman missing all of last year it was hard to spend a high pick on another questionable player. However I think we could of got a higher pick in return for trading down.

While Jack has rare athleticism and would look good next to CJ, I think you have to ask if he's worth more by himself than Correa + Moore + Judon.

  On 5/2/2016 at 8:19 AM, Dr. Poe said:

I think the problem a lot of fans have is that the ravens didn't pick up any potential perceived game changers. We may have picked some solid players, but none of them except for the first pick seem like they are going to make much difference.

Then fans see that some of the "name brand" players like spence, buckner, and jack get picked up by other teams. Fans then question why didn't we take the chance on someone who could be potentially great vs. being conservative and hoping that the person we pick can play in the NFL.

I think that our team is further away from winning than we think. I think we need more play makers on both sides of the ball.

I think the problem is trading back when your picking so early. That is not BPA because obviously your trading back, meaning higher valued players get picked first. Anytime you need to count on many players being drafted, you sacrifice talent for bodies to some degree. The less holes you have the less picks you need generally and the more you can hyper focus on talent.

Ravens have been pitching the non-rebuilding mode, but this draft suggests otherwise. It's maybe not a tear down rebuild, but it's a ongoing gutting and replacing from the old regime to this new regime.

Not necessarily. Let's say the the Ravens graded Correa, Spence and Ogbah similarly/at the same level (for the sake of argument). If you're convinced that at least one of them will be there 5-10 spots after your draft position, the smart move is to trade back, get more picks, and still get one of the players you liked. In essence, you're still getting BPA and more picks to boot.

Our problem is (as fans) we hear so much hype on Espn about their favorite players that when we don't get them were all upset. When in fact the Ravens don't listen to ESPN when they make their draft board. Last years draft produced some quality players and I'm sure this years draft will too.

Exactly. Like I said in another thread, once people realize that there's a 99.9% chance that the Ravens aren't going to pick their guy, they'll be able to enjoy the draft a whole lot more.

  7 hours ago, raveninct said:

I don't know a thing about Correa and Kaufusi, and we can't assume anything about how good or bad they'll be in the NFL. I still trust Ozzie & Co. For everyone who wanted Spence, there was never any chance of Ozzie taking him. Just today on this site, there was a quote from Harbaugh about (paraphrased) 'the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior'. So I don't think the Ravens ever seriously considered Spence. And taking guys like Jack w/ injury concerns was also a non-starter after their experience w/ Perriman. Can you imagine the embarassment if they took Jack and he ended up not playing? So, to focus on what we do know, my question is whether Ozzie took too little to move back. Other teams who were picking behind us seemed to get more for their picks. We moved back twice and got a 5th and a 4th rounder, and the 5th rounder was for our 36th position. The teams behind us who traded down got 2 picks, I think. I know one team got a 4th rounder plus a 2017 pick. So I feel like Ozzie left a little bit on the table. I could be wrong. Curious what you all think.

"the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"

So all of Hargaugh's buddies get second chances, but no players do... These are young kids who are figuring out things in life. Some, straighten themselves out. Some need help. But, no. No second chances here. Unless you worked with Harbaugh before.

Asa Jackson, Will Hill, Timmy Jernigan, Nick Boyle, etc. etc. Yeah, no second chances on the Ravens.

I am completely unimpressed with the Ozzie strategy of trading back then taking this guy. He is more of a "project" than someone to fill the void. All this emphasis on his pass rush ability doesn't address the weaknesses. He has average strength and lacks proper mechanics. That won't cut it in the NFL.

LOL, you're just making things up. You have no idea who this guy is or how he plays, do you?

  4 hours ago, reed20fence said:

  5 hours ago, gekaap said:

Alot of narrow visioned fans are wetting their panties, but Ozzie has been nailing everything so far.

We've had 3 consecutive years of secondaries that have gotten shredded, years by the way in which, on aggregate, we have a losing record. In those years we've had no serious 2nd starting calibre CB and have stuck an undersized coverted safety with 2 torn acls as our 2nd corner in Webby.

I wouldn't consider this "nailing everything so far."

We haven't drafted this high in over a decade and what's the first inkling? Draft a LT and trade back twice to stockpile mediocre players.

Good reply. Kool-aid drinkers are not logical or deal in facts. Critizism is not a negative but a opposite view.

You might have a point if that's what's been happening. Rather, it's a case of the worst homers of all, the "anti-homer homer" (easily identified by the propensity to use "kool-aid" and "purple-colored glasses" to describe other fans) simply criticizing every thing the team does in an effort to prove that they are the real/true fans.

Reading some of these comments about "Oz should go" makes me laugh and puke at the same time........

I find it absolutely amusing how hard some posters take it when the Ravens don't take their guy...you know, the guy they heard about by looking at a mock draft or reading a draft profile...maybe watching 5 minutes of highlights on you tube in their spare time.

The sooner people realize that the Ravens are most likely not going to draft their guy the more they'd be able to enjoy the draft and new prospects we get.

  1 hour ago, n#7 said:

They draft Stanley over a Buckner when their main pass rushers are in their 30's and one coming off a serious injury? Mind boggling esp afyer the owner said he wanted a PR. Maybe it's time for some new people in that FO!

Buckner is overrated. He had 10.5 sacks against marginal college teams. Jernigan is a much better pass rusher. And last I checked, the draft is not over - Myles Jack, Noah Spence, Ogbah, Dodd all still on the board - all as good as or better PR than Buckner.

Yeah, I don't get it. Buckner is a 5-tech DE, which in the Ravens scheme is a run-stopping position. The rush is designed to come from the Leo (Suggs), 3-tech (Jernigan), and Sam (Doom) positions. In fact, for those clamoring that the Ravens needed an "impact play maker" at 6, I'd argue that Buckner's position is the least impactful one in the front 7.

Drafting him that high would be like taking an OG with the 6th pick. Considering how some feel about taking an LT with the pick I find this "we should've taken Buckner" talk quite silly.

  54 minutes ago, ravens4life86 said:

Remember what the OWNER SAID...STEVE B.."Pass Rushers"

Not of fan of Stanley pick, when any number of defenders sitting there and could have traded back with Titans likeky. Lawson,Hargraves 3,Floyd, etc
I understand LT but when the owner says Pass Rush...get some Pass Rush.

Sizzle and Dum, are Old...need new cornerstones at the position starting with no.36..drafting Noah Spence,Ogbah,Chris Jones someone like that..

Then trading to get extra 3rd... and getting a CB, Cyrus Jones,Zach Sanchez etc
With other pick.. Yannik Nkoue,JordanJenkins

Guys like Spence, Ogbah, Dodd if you want a pass rusher, or Alexander and Fuller if you want a CB. will be a available when the Ravens pick tomorrow.

So, you can still get a high quality pass rusher in addition to potentially locking down the LT spot for a decade. So far this draft is shaping up well for the Ravens.

Forgot to add that there are also guys like Judon and Ngakoue that will likely be there in the 4th.

Remember what the OWNER SAID...STEVE B.."Pass Rushers"

Not of fan of Stanley pick, when any number of defenders sitting there and could have traded back with Titans likeky. Lawson,Hargraves 3,Floyd, etc
I understand LT but when the owner says Pass Rush...get some Pass Rush.

Sizzle and Dum, are Old...need new cornerstones at the position starting with no.36..drafting Noah Spence,Ogbah,Chris Jones someone like that..

Then trading to get extra 3rd... and getting a CB, Cyrus Jones,Zach Sanchez etc
With other pick.. Yannik Nkoue,JordanJenkins

Guys like Spence, Ogbah, Dodd if you want a pass rusher, or Alexander and Fuller if you want a CB. will be a available when the Ravens pick tomorrow.

So, you can still get a high quality pass rusher in addition to potentially locking down the LT spot for a decade. So far this draft is shaping up well for the Ravens.

  12 hours ago, Crusader said:

This trade made no difference. Browns were probably going to pick a QB any way but I think they wised up and going to build up all their other positions then find a QB. This is bad news for Ravens. All those picks could push Ravens into forth place in coming years. Nothing last forever not even Browns miseries.

Don't believe everything the mock drafts suggest - for a lot of times those who make the mocks are in the dark just as much as we, simple fans are... It was not at all sure that the Browns would have picked a QB - if that was their real intent, they wouldn't traded the #2 pick, would they?
And anyway, more and more draft analyses concluded that the Browns would have much more probably picked one of the real stars of the class: Tunsil, Ramsey or Jack - maybe even Elliott.

Or, let's say they really loved one QB, but weren't sold on the other. It didn't matter before because Tenn. wasn't going to take a QB, so their guy was guaranteed to be there. With LA trading to 1 to take a QB, there's now a 50% chance that you'd be stuck with a QB you weren't sold on. Why risk it when you could get more picks and a chance at a top non-QB talent by moving down a few spots?

2 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

how do the raiders and cardinals get yellow uniforms? and the lions black? that makes no sense.

also, i hope they figured something out for all the poor color blind people who went straight back to the 1950s every thursday last season.

Raiders 1960-62 logo:

Oh ya and I'm thinking with the production of McPhee and Taylor, we might just get a 3rd rounder as well, but we'll see. There are some real interesting prospects going early. I'm praying to god that we are in a position to get Bosa, Ramsey, Hargreaves III, earlyu because they can all flat out ball. Either making our pass rush better or giving us a high IQ cover corner. And if Fournette slides into the second half of the first round I would love for us to sacrifice a pick to get the second coming of Jamal Lewis. He's a monster and behind our line we will have some attitude.

The compensatory pick formula is based mainly on the size of the contract the leaving FA gets from his new team, and to a lesser extent, the amount of playing time. So, even though Tyrod is starting for his new team and may make the playoffs, his contract was so small that we'll be lucky to get a 7th round comp pick for him.

The only hope for a third rounder would be McPhee, but he's more likely a 4th.

Can someone tell me why Perriman isn't practicing, a week and a half ago he got scoped and they said no more damage to the knee, and I know some of the fan base doesn't believe they have been or were 100% honest, but I don't see why they wouldn't be truthful about something like that, they literally have no reason to lie, so I don't think that's the case. Perriman as no work ethic, he is the softest player on the team until I see otherwise. Him not practicing for 3 months for a knee sprain with no extra damage is inexcusable. If he doesn't play this season, he may be the most disappointing and weakest players in team history. I was one of those people supporting and defending him when he was being called a bust and talked down, but now I can't defend him anymore.

I know I've said this before, but if you want to put Perriman's injury into perspective, look no further than Keenan Allen (who was mocked to the Ravens in the first round). I can't believe people have forgotten already.

Allen suffered a grade 2 PCL sprain in October of his junior year, and missed the rest of the season. He then declared for the draft, but his injury hadn't healed 4 months later for the Combine, so he didn't participate. In April, 6 months later, he estimated that he was only 85% for his pro day...no that's the longest healing PCL in history.

Since he started playing, however, I have yet to hear of anyone calling him soft or a bust (he's only missed one game since his rookie season, and I think everyone would agree that he's a pretty darn good receiver.

I don't care who the Ravens receivers are. They can put Raymond Berry out there. If Rodgers, Brady, or Unitas were the Ravens QB, the Ravens would be 5-0. Elite QB's win the win tough games in the final drive every time.

You were saying?

Do we have a diagnosis?  I mean, this injury is more mysterious than where they buried Jimmy Hoffa.  I still haven't heard.

Not really mysterious - they originally thought it was just a bone bruise, but when the swelling went down enough for an MRI, they could see a PCL strain. He's most likely looking at a grade 1 or 2 sprain, and the bruise may be complicating the recovery (they're unpredictable). But, given the general time frame for a recovery from a grade 2 sprain, he's pretty much right on track.

Kubiak Owns harbaugh.............we should have kept kubiak and shipped off the incompetent coach we are stuck with..........

Harbaugh is 5-2 against Kubiak as a head coach, including the game yesterday.

Well, if you're going to use the argument of September Joe vs January Joe (therefore using past history) then also look into week 1 Joe.  Joe has been pretty good in season openers since his rookie season (minus the Jets 2010 game).  Since 09, he's 11 TDs to 5 INTs which of course includes the 0 TD/1 INT Jets game mentioned.  If we're going to focus on Peyton's past and Joe's past let's properly do so.

 

Also, mentioning how Peyton played doesn't take age into consideration.  Doesn't take into consideration that he's never had a problem feeling his fingers.  Doesn't take into consideration that past OCs let me have more control that Kubiak seems to be letting him have this year.

 

I know I'm a bit late to this thread, but to back up your argument a bit, since 2008, the Ravens are 17-7 in September games under Flacco; Peyton Manning's teams are 14-6 during the same period.

...and funny that litle guys are all posting thing about height at the same time

Willing to bet they were watching the last episode of Hard Knocks - they both posted that at the scene where O'Brien cuts James from the Texans mainly because of his size.

I've always wanted to see someone jump a shark. Didn't think it would be a wizard though

To be fair, no one saw it coming from the Fonz, either...

Oddly, according to the NFL Transaction Report, Jeremy Ross, Konrad Reuland (and Charles James) are not offiially on the practice squad:

We'll see what happens tomorrow. Would think everything is straightened out by practice (I imagine they want to get these guys on the field ASAP).

I was talking about the action of being claimed, which is not what happened. Claiming a player requires the team adding him to the 53 man roster which clearly has not happened. The Ravens have 10 players on their PS  already which means James was NOT claimed or signed to the PS. His status is currently up in the air. It's possible that changes, but as of right now any reports are just speculation.

According to the NFL transaction report, as of 9/7, the Ravens have only 8 players officially added to the Practice Squad. For whatever reason, Konrad Reuland and Jeremy Ross (I guess you could throw in James too) haven't been officially added.

Perhaps they'll release Reuland since they just signed Jones (he's on the list), then add Ross and James or an RB...then decide which of the 3 gets promoted to the 53 when Urban is designated, with the other two to the PS.

Or, they could have been late filing paperwork...

How typical of this whole saga (SMH):

 2014 playoff game- gronk/edelman/amendola combined for more than 250 yds and 3 td's ! Each of which was more than 50 yds. You probably think Jimmy Graham isn't a deep threat either. BTW why aren't you bandwagonning for Ray Rice to return to Baltimore. Sheesh

in 2014 Jimmy Graham averaged 10.1 YPC with a long of 29 yards. Crockett Gillmore averaged 12.1 YPC with a long of 22 yards... Deep Threat!