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He is correct. If a player practices even one day of training camp, he is not eligible for the PUP.

That random "commenter" is Dr. Bobby Esbrandt, a rehabilitation specialist and the doctor "on staff" at the Ravens SB Nation blog Baltimore Beatdown. If it would make you feel better to read a more in depth analysis, here is the article he wrote on the subject: http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/21/9182471/perrimans-injury-and-past-medical-history-is-there-cause-for-concern

Apparently not... If you guys really want to bring genetics into it, he got it from his father; Osgood-Schlatter's affected Brett Perriman's playing career precisely 0%

Aside from your last two sentences, this entire post is incorrect. Dr. Bobby Esbrandt linked to an article about Osgood-Schlatter and his current condition earlier in this thread. I recommend reading it, but if you don't, the reader's digest version is this: O-S affects adolescents and is no longer a factor once the bones have stopped growing. There is no link to his current kneee condition, and there are no lingering effects that would affect his athletic performance going forward.

Probably not, but I think the point is that it's more difficult to succeed with a vanilla base defense against an unconventional offense. By definition, playing against anything unconventional requires a certain level of planning.

People seriously need to chill with Perriman's injury. Some medical facts: The pain symptoms associated with Osgood-Schlatter's resolve on their own once the adolescent stops growing and reaches skeletal maturity. Given Perriman's age (nearly 22) and impressive stature (6'3", 210 lbs), I think it's safe to say he doesn't have another growth spurt left in tank. It is important to understand that this is NOT a lifelong issue and Perriman's current injury and extended absence from practice is completely unrelated. The ONLY lingering side effect into adulthood is the presence of a more prominent tibial tuberosity. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/21/9182471/perrimans-injury-and-past-medical-history-is-there-cause-for-concern With appropriate management, most patients with a minor to moderate PCL tear (grades 1 and 2) can return to sport or normal activity within 2 – 8 weeks. http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/10200450/pcl-tear-posterior-cruciate-ligament-pcl-injur.htm The severity of Perriman's sprain will dictate how long he can be expected to be sidelined. Grade I and II PCL sprains are treated non-surgically and can take several weeks to recover from. Grade III PCL tears typically require surgical intervention. Given the handling of Perriman's injury thus far, I imagine he suffered a Grade I sprain. If this is true, I would anticipate seeing him back in action within the next two weeks. - Bobby Esbrandt, PT, DPT, PES http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/21/9182471/perrimans-injury-and-past-medical-history-is-there-cause-for-concern

Exactly. Here's a tweet from Turron Davenport when asked about Perriman. Based on his coverage of the Ravens, I trust this to be an honest answer: TURRON DAVENPORT ‏@TDavenport_NFL 9h9 hours ago TURRON DAVENPORT retweeted Marcus Wyche Has brace no real limp

Pffft. That's not even 2,000 yards a game.

The Philly reporters were way worse. If you want straight observations with no spin, I recommend following Turron Davenport (@TDavenport_NFL). He's quickly becoming the new Aaron Wilson. There were many Eagles fans in his timeline thanking him for his unbiased reports all throughout the joint practices.

True. I posted this article by Dr. Bobby Esbrandt (who provided the information in the update to this LFW) in another thread, but it might be good to post it here too. Some highlights: And

I can see it now...Williams takes Ray's spot as the last player introduced...runs out of the tunnel...stops and breaks into "the Carlton"...ummm, no...lol

Good read. Thanks for posting that.

Since people are flipping out over his injury, and making a lot of assumptions based on his history with Osgood-Schlatter's, I thought I'd post this article from Dr. Bobby Esbrandt (the doctor "on staff" over at Baltimore Beatdown). It's well worth the read. http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/21/9182471/perrimans-injury-and-past-medical-history-is-there-cause-for-concern

Prognosis of a PCL tearWith appropriate management, most patients with a minor to moderate PCL tear (grades 1 and 2) can return to sport or normal activity within 2 – 8 weeks. http://www.physioadvisor.com.au/10200450/pcl-tear-posterior-cruciate-ligament-pcl-injur.htm

That's simply not the case. Here's the first reply to the article on Baltimore Beatdown about Perriman and Osgood-Schlatter from Dr. Bobby Esbrandt (he's also the guy that caused the update to the LFW article this morning): Also: TURRON DAVENPORT ‏@TDavenport_NFL 11h11 hours ago Perriman on the sideline catching a few passes from Renner. Relax.

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun 3h3 hours ago First altercation between two teams. But was broken up quickly. Asa Jackson looked to be Raven involved. Jamison Hensley ‏@jamisonhensley 3h3 hours ago First skirmish of #Ravens-#Eagles joint practice. It was #Ravens' 2nd-team defense. Looked like Tim Tebow stepped in to calm everyone down.

I guess this settles the debate. Joe Flacco's hair is elite!

Everyone seems to be getting all worked up for a injury that takes a while to heal - for everyone: What is the normal treatment for a bone bruise? I usually recommend bracing or other immobilization of the area to allow it time to heal and to protect it from additional injury that can be caused by bearing weight on the injured area. Activities also need to be restricted during this healing period, particularly sports play, which can result in additional acute trauma, causing greater injury and/or prolonging the healing time. How long do you normally expect recovery to take? Recovery can take several months because the inner layer of bone takes longer to heal than the outer bone. http://www.tsaog.com/connect-learn-interact/blog/2013/03/06/dr-marvin-brown-on-why-bone-bruise-is-a-misnomer/

Dude, calm down.

I don't think they put him on the IR. All indications are that the injury isn't major, but it is taking longer than expected to heal. He is expected to be back sometime in camp, and even if he were forced to miss the first regular season game, they'll probably keep him on the active roster (if he goes on the IR-DR, he would have to sit out the first 6 games).

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun 7m7 minutes ago An MRI revealed no additional damage to Ravens rookie WR Breshad Perriman's knee, but he's still sidelined. http://fw.to/6PflZ0W

Simply put "yards in the air" (as you originally stated) does not equal yards from scrimmage, or yards credited on a reception. Let me put it this way, when Flacco throws a quick 5 yard sideline pass in tight coverage from one hashmark to the far sideline, and the announcer says something to the effect that "that's not a pass that just any QB could make," it's not because the ball traveled downfield 5 yards from the line of scrimmage, it's because the ball actually traveled almost 31 yards in the air. Your current reasoning is akin to saying "it's not that impressive because he's only credited with a 5 yard pass." Once again, you originally critiqued Schaubs's arm strength by claiming the TD throw to Camp only traveled "20 yards in the air". That was obviously an incorrect statement, and once I demonstrated that the ball actually traveled 33 yards in the air, you started talking about yards from scrimmage, broken coverages, YAC, and various other points that have no bearing on how far that ball actually traveled in the air (which, again, was the only point I made).

Two things: first, he is credited with a 45 yard pass, so the yardage is actually more than what I stated; second, your original statement was about how far the ball traveled in the air, not how many yards downfield the throw was. I quoted you twice (this is the third time), and the fact is, regardless of you wishing not to acknowledge it and insisting on "moving the goalposts", the ball traveled 33 yards in the air. That is indisputable, and the only point I made. Likewise, when someone continually changes the basis of discussion, there was never an honest conversation to begin with. You can bring up his other passes, overall performance, how much yardage with which he is credited, or what have you, but all of that is still irrelevant to the fact that the TD pass he threw to Camp traveled 33 yards in the air, not 20.

In the first quote you are using how many "yards in the air" the ball was thrown to support your argument that Schaub has lost arm strength. I simply pointed out that the ball traveled 33 yards in the air, not 20 as you claimed. The issue of many many yards he is credited for the completion was irrelevant to your argument and my response. As far as the distance, on the replay he is clearly on the Ravens side of the 50 - I estimated at the Ravens 48. From this screen grab, one can see where he ended up after taking a couple of steps forward due to the momentum of the throw: So, 50-21 = 29; 29+2 = 31. Accounting for the 11 yards from the hash to the numbers, the total distance "in the air", as I mentioned, was 33 yards (regardless of him being credited for a 45 yard completion).