GrimCoconut

Lots of replies here so I'll just say I'm replying to all those above. First, Anderson. I think Williams is certainly more explosive and bends better than Anderson but the problem I see with Williams is he takes himself out of the play and overpursues just like I've seen in guys like Smith. That will kill him at the next level. I may be too picky about it but that will be a major issue. Also, his character concerns are very concerning. This is why I like Anderson more for us than Williams. A prospect may have more potential than another, as is the case with Anderson and Williams, but Anderson could easily outperform Williams as a pro because talent and potential can only reach the level the prospect desires and that's where I love and hate Williams. He showed commitment to get his weight up and improve from last year but these drug issues...I just don't know what to think there. As for Barnett, yeah, he's certainly not as slow as Upshaw but he's not considerably faster than him either. Don't get me wrong he may be able to be a great player at the next level but when I watched him really closely I saw a guy who was good at timing the snap of the ball more than I saw a guy who exploded to the ball. Derek Rivers is a guy I really like but not as a 1st or 2nd round pick. If we're talking Kaufusi then okay but I would be very hesitant to make him Correa. He's extremely explosive and bends better than given credit but I think his hips are a touch stiff but I'm not too worried about that because this guy could replace Suggs if he puts it all together. As @BmoreBird22 said via Miller, I definitely agree with those sentiments and see him as a third round pick. I'd trade up to get him but I see him in that round.

Barnett does a lot of things really well but my issue with him is his explosiveness. I really wonder how effective he will be in the NFL as a pro because I see a guy who is just really good at timing the snap but when I saw him focusing on rushing the passer I felt like he was slow to get off if he couldn't time the snap well. I really see a guy who reminds me a lot of Upshaw here in Barnett in terms of explosion off the ball. Obviously he's not Upshaw at all just in that way he reminds me of him Yeah the thing with Harris is his how well he does things besides his patented moves to rush the passer. I feel like he's a guy who could be mentally shutdown by a good LT who beats him early and takes him out of the rest of the game. And yeah Lawson would be in contention as the #2 OLB if he wasn't injured so much. I just worry about that guy because those injuries in college are a big red flag. Will these continue as a pro? And your opinion on Barnett is very similar to mine. I think he'd be a good SAM but this team needs a RUSH LB who can really explode off the ball. Yeah I like Anderson better than his teammate, Tim Williams. I think he's faster off the ball, has better instincts, and plays the run better. I think Williams has more upside but I think Anderson has plenty of that, too. I really think he's just a better prospect I am most concerned about whether Barnett can consistently apply pressure on the QB because I don't see the explosion necessary to be an effective #1 OLB for a team. I like Barnett but I want to see him explode off the ball but he just times the snap well but that won't work as a pro. Harris has his issues but he explodes off the ball but his hips are a bit eh with his bend and Lawson explodes and has decent bend but he has an injury history as long as my arm. We don't need more guys who can't be available for games. I think my favorite OLB for us are Ryan Anderson and Derek Rivers, but I really do like TJ Watt but injuries and explosion issues are there, too.

I would definitely agree with this. I just don't know what to think of Barnett. I really like him from a standpoint of technique and bend but I do not see the explosiveness in him I want to see. I think he is slow off the ball and I am legitimately worried he could be similar to Upshaw as a pass rusher. I just don't know if he can win in the NFL with his jump off the ball. As for Williams, I like him but I don't even know about him, either. He extends himself too much and goes too far up field at times and really takes himself out of the play. He's fast but I think Anderson may actually be quicker off the ball and therefore more explosive despite what I think should be true.

Both rely on lower body explosiveness and converting power into speed but I would say the broad jump is the most indicative test to measure explosiveness due to the positioning of the body. Both are really good measuring tools, though--much more than the 40

Harris is definitely more explosive off the ball while Barnett relies on timing the snap count quite a bit. Barnett is much better bending the edge, though, so there's that. Harris is just really explosive off the ball there's no denying that

It's probably incentives he earned back after taking a pay cut last summer. They charge the incentives to the following year.

I'm not sure without looking but if I had to guess it would be because Carr took a pay cut last year so maybe that pay cut allowed him to earn back his money and then some with incentives a la Dennis Pitta

The only time FA signings don't count is if they are cut FA. If the Cowboys cut Carr that would be different. Wagner is an URFA, and so is Dumervil; however, Wagner had his contract expire while Dumervil was cut. Dumervil, if he signs elsewhere, will not count but Wagner does

Forgot all about Aiken, but I guess you can't blame me lol. Hopefully he does the team a solid and signs with another team while it counts and helps us get a 4th or 5th round comp.

Yep and unfortunately it doesn't look like anyone will sign Powers so he won't count as a FA lost. We retained Levine so we're going to be light on comp picks again. While this sucks I think it's good because you need to address the problems on this team and we're not talented enough to not participate in FA right now. We're getting closer though

Yep confirmed

I got a good deal for Allen so I took it lol. I was supposed to be done with this game. I should be after this. I have no other pieces I can trade

I am if you're looking to trade back.

Looking to trade as high as 2.24 and 4,3 take me. If anyone wants to trade back I am looking to trade up with these picks.

Confirmed i exercise my special cut rule thing on Allen

Wow. Have we ever done that before with an RFA? That's the first from what I recall. I don't remember us doing that in a long time if ever.

I guess this ends my involvement in this game this year but that was the plan I had and it's why I was willing to sell the farm for Myles Garrett. I simply have too much going on in my life right now and I didn't want to quit so I just figured it was better to trade all my picks for one guy rather than stalling this game. If this is our last game it was fun and I blame JO for taking the Ravens. Garrett should give JAX, HOU, TEN nightmares all year with my improved defense that should be more opportunistic and put Luck in better position to win

With the 1st pick in the 1st round of the 2017 Forum Mock, Jim Irsay selects... Jim Beam, Bourbon, Kentucky I mean, the Colts select... Myles the "T-Rex" Garrett, Pass Rusher, Texas A&M

Colts confirm and will lose a star on Dorsett in the trade

I think this is better timing. Never a good time to close the forum and I still think that the rationale to close it is a bit weak but this is the organization's decision and clearly not the fans and I don't think the fans were really considered in making this decision. I appreciate the Ravens' willingness to be flexible with their original timeline.

Colts looking to trade into the top 5 picks and willing to sell their entire draft and a specific player to do it.

That could also be it too. Just because we wanted to offer him less than his double digit asking price doesn't mean we didn't come close or meet the WAS deal but he probably wanted to bet on himself and get more money next year after proving himself as a WR. The guaranteed money was also very likely low too

I agree that it's pretty reasonable for Pryor but I imagine we wanted to pay closer to 6 and WAS offered more.

I agree. I like Wright and he may just need a change of scenery.

Jernigan has always had issues staying consistent. He's the kind of guy you don't want to let get into a rhythm and the sad thing is it doesn't seem too hard to not let him get into a rhythm. He's shown he can be a disruptive force, but he has also shown a penchant for bad decisions. I think it's a good move to keep Williams, honestly, even if I love both of these two DL. I'm not sure we'll be able to keep Jernigan next year, but at the same time I don't know if that's a terrible thing. He has been a great player but as I said and as others like yourself have said, he is just inconsistent and flames out quite a bit. Maybe Pierce can show enough where he takes over at DE or DT, or even Brent Urban. I think Williams is our best DL out of all our DL, including Jernigan. He is the most consistently good player on that team.