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6 minutes ago, Drew P said:

So let me get this straight: they attempted to and failed to move up a whopping 1-3 positions to draft a guy that was graded lower than Marlon?

No, they tried to move up for either Reddick or Barnett who they had rated above Humphrey.

Clearly whoever it was we tried to trade up with knew we were coming up for their guy and wouldnt trade with us. So we stayed pat and took the next highest rated guy who was Humphrey.

How did you not understand that?

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I agree with the second round part and that's why I'm not too down on this pick. We got a huge upside player who at least is healthy and fits our scheme and has great character and passion, you can work with that, and we lucked out with the amount of edge rushers and OL still available and we absolutely should be able to pounce due to the corner depth sill there, we take an average value near the top of the position group to set ourselves up to take fallers later. 

I doubt they anticipated that at all or that it was part of their plan. They probably just liked him more than most of us, but it plays out nicely so far

Oh i agree - i dont think they said lets grab humphrey now bc theres going to be a run and we can profit from that.

But Decosta did say on the Lounge podcast last week -- which proved to be telling -- that if one of their top CBs was on the board, that they felt could become a lockdown player, they were going to have a very hard time passing him up... bc they felt this draft was very good at the top at CB, and while deep after the 1st tier there were very good players, but not lock down type players.

If they feel they got a lock down player, then im all for it. This secondary is now scary and deep. 3 Top 15 safeties, a Top 3-5 CB (when healthy), the top young slot CB in the league, a solid veteran #2 who functioned as a league average #1 last year, and now a rookie with HUGE upside. We've got 7 DBs that can really play now. Good luck throwing on us.... and that helps the pass rush immensely.

And if we now can leverage a run on CBs, think about it. The difference between Humphrey and say Kazee, Howard Wilson, or Shaq Griffin - who might be the tier of CBs that are available come the 3rd round -- is imo much greater than the difference between Harris, Takk, TJ Watt and Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, Willis and Bowser who at least one of should be available at 47.

And then add the fact that a Dion Dawkins, Feeney, or Elflein could be available then in the 3rd round who arent far at all behind the 1st round guys -- we could end up filling our 3 biggest needs with two 1st round talents, and a 2nd round talent.

TE too... super deep group. Howard is obviously the class of the group, but Gerald Everett, Adam Shaheen, Bucky Hodges, George Kittle, Jake Butt -- theres some serious athletes and dynamic playmakers there if we want one. Not the polish or complete package as Howard, but definitely the athleticism to be match up nightmares.

So, even if you think we didnt get the greatest prospect available at 16.... i think hes among the cleanest and safest, with maybe not quite as high upside but still serious potential; and by going that direction it puts us in position to make the draft as a whole have a much bigger impact on improving this team.

15 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Not really. I mean we all know the strategy; the best Bama player that Harbs thinks is an altar boy.

To me it's mind boggling to even fathom this guy was rated higher than OJ "by far"

Enough with this crap. They tried to trade up for either Reddick or Barnett -- so there goes your best Bama player non-sense.

Again -- many sources have been saying for the last 3 weeks that the actual teams are much higher on Humphrey than the public. #1 CB on a lot of boards and a top 10 prospect.

The draft is so funny. We all realize that the draft experts are hardly ever right. If they get 5-6 picks correct its considered a good mock. And their record at predicting who pans out is awful.

Yet, when the Ravens dont follow that group think.... we all complain that our BPA didnt line up with the medias. lol

If Mayock, DJ, Kiper, McShay and Walter had Humphrey in the Top 5 and we didnt take him we'd be saying Ozzies an idiot blah blah blah.

They didnt take the 24th guy on their board just bc hes from Bama.... thats the dumbest argument ever bc Allen, Foster and Howard were all right there. So your sarcastic comment is just stupid. If it was just take the best Bama player, why didnt we take one of those 3? And Howard/Allen are both totally clean off the field... so why wasnt it one of them??

Bc they think Humphrey's better!!

If you dont agree with that - thats fine. Thats different. But this stupid narrative that Ozzie and Harbs just take the best Bama player on the board thats a choir boy doesnt even make sense in this situation.

And they know more than you.

5 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

So was Dee milner and dre kirpatrick..more alabama nonsense whom i also saw as busts. never draft an alabama corner. Can you name any not named Kareem JAckson ( who's good not great) that have been not shown up in the pro's over the past decade?

lol so bc former Bama CBs didnt work out, Humphrey wont? Sound logic.

Humphrey is his own man. If he becomes a star its because of him, and if he flops its because of him... not bc hes from Bama and Dee Milner was a bust.

And of course -- i forgot that youve correctly predicted every draft bust and success i history.

Just for the record, who would you have taken at 16?

I wouldve taken Jonathan Allen. But im not privy to his medical records, so admittedly it could blow up in my face and i could be totally wrong.

But instead of the "i was so great at predicting prospects way back when no one has proof" lets put what you think in writing for this draft.

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Usually I don't like those lighter pass rushers but I love his pass coverage, and I'm willing to sacrifice some size for that. Think he could help out at ILB as well, so 2 birds with 1 stone in my mind. 

yea its definitely a lazy comp... well not really even a comp, but what you like about Reddick is what you like about Bowser.

Not quite the same player, but some similar traits. The ability to drop in coverage, the skill set to effectively play ILB on early downs if needed, and high upside as a pass rusher. Obviously Reddick is much more accomplished rushing the passer, but Bowser has the traits and explosiveness to really grow there and is probably better in coverage.

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh god id almost forgotten charlie mocking him to us in the 2nd - but the fact that he gave us cam who didnt even go in the 1st round makes me feel a little better about wormley hopefully not being the pick

its just bc we really like both as prospects and its probably the only 2 prospects that they had info from sources saying we liked... so they lazily projected them to us. In reality, it was obvious that we didnt have Cam anywhere near value at 16. And with the talent still available, Wormley wont be in consideration for us at 47.

While I like the Humphrey pick more than most it seems..... i will not be happy at all on the outside chance we take Wormley. Pass rush and OL should match need with BPA with our next picks.

2 minutes ago, jdynamite said:

I think if the analysts were asked now, was this pick a good value considering players on the board and depth at the CB position.  

The top two Corners in this draft were S.Jones and M.Lattimore after that it was all over the board as far as the next 5 best Corners. Different sites ranked Q.Wilson, T.White, M.Humphrey, A.Jackson, K.King, G.Conley, T.Tabor ( until he ran like a turtle ). 

So if it were possible to trade back any number of spots then trade back.   

Sidney Jones has an Achilles injury not an ACL, MCL which requires a full year recovery. 

 

 

Humphrey wouldnt have gotten past the Titans at 18.

And there are many reports that Humphrey was the top CB on a lot of boards, and #2 on most of the others.

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

We need a pass catcher period. Oj Howard would be hands down the most dynamic guy flacco has ever played with and it's not even close. Not to mention he is an elite run blocker, the guys basically an extra OT out there, he would without question be the best skill position player on our offense and coaches would never find a reason to take him off the field, and he was a top 5 talent who fell due to his position, Humphrey is widely regarded as a 20s ranked guy. Plus, Pitta Waller and Watson could all very well be gone next year and probably should be gone already. 

i don't care about needs when you have a squeaky clean generational talent 10 spots after he should've been picked. 

I dont think Humphrey was viewed as a 20's player. Charlie was reporting as early as 3 weeks ago that according to multiple sources, teams were way higher on him than the public. The majority had him as at least the #2 CB on the board, and many had him as the best. They were expecting him to come off the board Top 10, w. NO at 11 or Philly at 14 his fall backs. Just so happened that Lattimore and Barnett fell into their hands instead.

I like Howard alot, trust me. And he may very well become dominant, and if so it wouldve been awesome to have him. But, clearly teams arent quite as high on him as we all are. I think hes a very good blocker, but the extra OT might be a bit of hyperbole. Hes definitely more developed in that regard than most college TE's but i wouldnt go that far. And his pass catching dominance is a projection because weve never seen it consistently. No, he wasnt featured in Bamas offense and thats not his fault -- and he showed take over ability in the 2015 championship game.... but its still somewhat of a projection.

Humphrey was highest on their board and they took him. I can be happy with that.

And now when the run on CBs starts early tonight we're in a power position to either grab the falling players at other positions (pass rush, OL, WR) or trade back with a desperate team for another 3rd. We're in a very good spot to grab a top pass rusher and OL with our next 3 picks, and if so when looked back on as group -- this haul could look awesome.

As always its going to come down to how Humphrey and Howard pan out. But, i think its clear that we had Humphrey rated higher and that we werent alone in that regard.

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

He makes Joe better. He makes the run game better and he makes the defense better by limiting their time on the field.

He was the best player there when we picked, ( to me of course ), and it isn't close.

i mean, i was really high on him too. But he lasted quite a long while.... lots of teams passed, ones that could have really used a dual threat TE like that. So it looks like the league wasnt quite as high on him as we all were.

Bisciotti needs to lay the hammer down for a pass rusher at 47.... well as long as the top 4 remaining dont fly off the board before us.

But how ridiculous would it be if Cam Robinson is there at 47 (i think Seattle is taking him or Lamp.... i mean could they pass either up??) and we take him... and then Tim Williams falls all the way to the 3rd and we grab him.

And just to really stretch it, we then take Ardarius Stewart with our 2nd third. 4 straight Bama players. The thing Ozzie wet dreams are made of.... and honestly, id be pretty darn happy with that too (obviously depending who else is available with the 2nd third.... but the other 2 idk if there would be a higher BPA)

9 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm in for my guy Tyus Bowser tonight.  Crossing my fingers for him.

I like Williams better personally.... but Bowser is close to the top of my list for hopeful picks at 47.

If somehow Lamp/Robinson falls to 47 and one of the pass rushers is there too -- ill be torn. I think itll be much tougher to get a pass rusher that can have a real impact in the 3rd round, while its possible Elflein, Feeney, Dawkins or Dorian Johnson could be there...

But Bowser's got every bit of upside that Williams and Lawson do. I just like that ive seen those 2 do it at the highest level of college football, and have seen some polish in terms of moves, bend, etc... But man if Bowser really takes to coaching and puts it together he could be scary good.

7 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I actually thought we would wait until later and draft corner personally. I still would have rather taken Allen, but all in all Humphrey is very good when closing in on the ball and when the ball is in front of him. If he was the worst pick in this draft. Then we are in for a hell of a draft

we get good info on Bama players. I have a gut feeling those shoulders are BAD. I mean hes a great great talent, but if you only get it for 1-2 years and hes constantly injured its a wasted pick. And weve been snake bitten by injuries.

So im trusting we made the right decision here. I imagine if they were comfortable with his medical it wouldve been a no brainer. We just got the honest opinion from the med staff at Bama, and not the optimistic spin his agent and outside doctor gave.

To have degenerative arthritis this young and in both shoulders? Thats scary, especially with the pounding that goes on in the trenches. 

24 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Duuude everybody here has gone over tape all winter and nobody lauded this players skill sets. I'm critical because I can relate. One of fastest in the county but couldn't cover deep because I couldn't find football and wasn't comfortable with back to throws. And that is like a rythym u have or don't. My friends son JV Southern A.A. One of fastest players but can't find the throw. So he plays safety and LB. the scouts are right his deficiencies don't go away with experience.

I read the Malcolm Butler path to NFL. Again Belichick knew he was special 10 minutes into his initial practice because his skills finding the throws and reacting were elite and couldn't be taught. Belichick asked him after his first practice have you found an apartment yet. He responded no because he wasn't sure he would be in town long. Belichick responded,Oh you are going to be around alright!! And this was a rookie that played small school with an extremely small playbook. But flourished in practice because of his unusual gift to find the throws that can't be taught. Belichick knew it is what set him apart

on a good note he could be a great great SS and zone cornerback!! I mean really good. I kinda favor the zone coverage anyways. Marlon has everything and I mean everything you look for in a zone cornerback that is facing the action. If we play him at SS eventually he could set the standard for the position. His closing speed and tackling is elite. Maybe with all the timing offenses the ravens are going more zone coverage:

Well considering everyone constantly complains about our CBs always playing 10 yds off the ball, that technique would actually fit Humphrey brilliantly. When he keeps the play in front of him hes an absolute game changer.

Hes perfect for a Tampa 2 or Cover 3 type defense which we employ a lot of. And its not like hes going to be thrown in the fire immediately. Plus you absolutely can be taught ball tracking. Some of it is innate that you have it or dont.... but a team doesnt miraculously go from worst in the league for INT's to best by accident. We did bc our secondary focused on it and practiced tracking deep balls. 

He'll improve with good coaching.

His skill set was very much lauded early on in the process. As i remember it was almost unanimous that he was the somewhere from the 1st-4th CB in the draft depending on preference, and it wasnt until the Combine and Pro Days that he suddenly fell out of the conversation for some reason. Looks like for the teams, his stock never dropped.

And now we dont have to hope that a good CB falls to the 3rd round (they wont) and we can scoop up a 1st round talent at pass rusher or OL, maybe both with our next 3 picks.

Tim Williams and then Dion Dawkins and ill be as happy as a pig in you know what.

Any 2 of Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Tyus Bowser, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp, Dion Dawkins, Dan Feeney, Pat Elflein, Juju, Godwin, Zay Jones, Cooper Kupp, Ryan Anderson, Ahkello Witherspoon, Teez tabor, Fabian Moreau, Sidney Jones, etc... etc....

We have 3 of the next 46ish picks. Were in very good position.

9 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

Well, the early rumors of the.Ravens being high on Humphrey turned out to be true.

Walter Football was actually on this one... not with the Ravens taking him, but 2-3 weeks ago they had reported sources telling them that Humphrey was much higher with the teams than the media was. They were hearing that up to half the league had Humphrey as the #1 CB and most had him at worst #2 behind Lattimore.... and that he was expected to go Top 10; with 11 at NO or 14 to Philly being his absolute floor.

Yea nice player in the 3rd rd if we miss out on a pass rusher with our next pick.

But id much rather Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, Tyus Bowser or Jordan Willis.

Gotta give you credit my dude. Well done. Very well done.

And, at least as of now your next 3 picks are looking very possible.

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

Once again a player drafted moves up on everybody's board after the ravens pick him. Lmao. Trouble finding the throws doesn't go away with experience. It is a like a rythym you have or don't.

I commented 2 weeks ago, that reports were that Humphrey was actually the Top CB or #2 on almost every teams' board and was likely to go Top 10, or at worst to NO. Just so happened Lattimore lasted until them.

Just bc you didnt hear about it doesnt mean jack. Teams were high on him all along.

27 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

DAMN I'm liking this pick. I overreacted BIG TIME last night. Guess we were just bummed that someone we weren't really familiar with got drafted. Crazy thing is he's only 20 so he can have a year to get up to speed before he has to start.

i think the best part is -- and i cant stress this enough -- that, sure, the draft is deep at CB and i too was of the thinking you cant wait on your CB.... but EVERYONE ended up playing it that way.

Now all the guys who passed on a CB round 1 are going to panic in round 2 early 3. We're going to see them fly off the board now.... and weve already got ours. So we can either sit tight and let the pass rushers, OL and WR's fall to us or take advantage of a desperate team and trade back while grabbing another 3rd.

We're sitting pretty. Especially if we can get Tim Williams, Carl Lawson, Jordan Willis, Tyus Bowser, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp....

Hopefully we get the pass rusher here and then we luck out with Dan Feeney, Dion Dawkins or Pat Elflein being there in the 3rd along with another top pass rusher, CB, or WR.

This Day 2 could be AWESOME. And while the 1st round pick wasnt sexy... we got, imo, a very safe player who when all is said and done is going to prove to be strategically a brilliant move bc of who will be on the board with our next 3 picks at positions of need, and who wont be on the board in the 3rd round at CB (bc thats really the only reason to be upset, that you thought thered be a great CB available in the 3rd).

13 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

Based on our comments about failing to trade up, we clearly coveted either Reddick or Barnett. I wanted to see us nail an edge rusher in round 1 rather than a CB, since by all accounts, CB is strong in this draft and there are guys still on the board that many find comparable to Humphrey. Edge rusher seems it will be a lot more challenging a slot to fill.

So guys, who are the potential round 2 edge rushers that we may be able to land in round 2? If we go that route, can we nail a potential starter on the O line in round 3? I'm of the mind that if we go O line in round 2, we will not be getting an effective edge rusher in this draft. 

Yes. Tim Williams and Carl Lawson are 1st round talents imo. Top 20 talents even. But Tim Williams is falling bc of off the field issues and limited sample size. But Ozzie will be able to get the real scoop on him and if he feels comfortable with him itd be a great pick at 47.

Lawson has fallen bc of injuries. But his senior year he finally stayed healthy and showed what he can do. Both are the type of super athletic, twitchy speed rushers weve needed for a while now... and have proven the ability to be very productive in college footballs toughest conference.

Tyus Bowser and Jordan Willis i put at a tier slightly below them but are appropriate values for where we're picking imo. Both are much more raw but had elite testing numbers. Both are probably more of a projection of what you can do with their insane athletic talents, and carry some risk bc of the level of competition they played. But their upside is that of many of the 1st round pass rushers.

Derek Rivers i put behind that even and may be a 3rd round consideration if available. Also Myles Garret's team mate at A&M is apparent high on a lot of boards and alot think his traits project well to an all around 3 down edge player. Very good against the run with the traits to develop into a quality edge rusher.

OL i think we'll have options in round 3, though if Cam Robinson or Lamp is there, and our top edge rushers available go before us -- itd be tough to pass either one up.

Dion Dawkins, Dorian Johnson, Dan Feeney and Pat Elflein are guys that under other circumstances (not needing a pass rusher with quality ones on the board) id have no problem taking in the 2nd round and 1 or 2 may be available come round 3. Any of them could be a plug and play starter on the line at LG or C. Feeney and Elflein could prob do well at either LG or C. Johnson is prob only a LG but hes an absolute mauler with a heavy base and serious anchor. Dawkins may be able to kick out to RT but hes a mean boy with serious strength and nastiness. Id love any of them, though love Tim Williams and Carl Lawson especially a bit more.

We're in very good position being a team that doesnt need to panic about getting a CB now. We can sit tight and reap the benefits.

6 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Idk. Me being upset has nothing to do really with Humphrey personally, I think he will be a good player. I guess its stemming from:

1. Getting so freaking close to Barnett and Hooker.

2. I really never took in the possibility that we would take a CB in the 1st, nor did I want to, as the class is so deep and there were bigger needs.

3. I have been against drafting a TE the whole time, but I wouldn't have passed on OJ for Humphrey. He would be just as valuable as having Mike Williams on the team. I might've even taken Lamp over Humphrey, but I can see why we didn't I guess.

Other than that, the board didn't fall as favorably as I thought it would, especially after the first few picks. And I'm assuming there were no potential trade backs we liked so we were kind of in a sucky spot - right in the middle where there is no great value picks. Ill get over it soon enough, and I hope Humphrey lights it up and we have the best secondary in the NFL. But for now I'm pissed at the Eagles.

 

On your 2nd point -- i held the same opinion for much of the pre-draft period.

But thinking about it now, if theres a run on CB's here early round 2 through the 3rd, the CB's that can actually be game changers are going to fly off the board. I mean it's getting close to slim picking as it is. And we got one of, if not the best one.

So, now in the meat of this draft while there's still TONS of talent available we're are in prime position. Everyone is going to start freaking out and over drafting CB's or trading up to get one. That means very talented players are going to fall even further where we can comfortably snag them by sitting put or even trading back.

With Barnett, Reddick and both WR's off the board it was tough. You can say Howard and i like him a lot, but clearly the league isnt quite as high on him as the outside world was. Its obvious Allens medicals are a serious concern and Foster's red flags are alarming. 

SO we could have taken maybe a higher upside player at 16 but that would have big bust factor.... still been able to maybe grab pass rush, OL or WR in the 2nd/3rd -- but we'd have been picking from bones and scraps at CB. 

We got a safe CB who has lock down potential... you know instead of hoping Tabor, Kazee, Howard Wilson, Corn Elder and guys like that (i seriously doubt King, Awuzie, Witherspoon, Wilson, Moreau, etc... are going to last very long now and if we didnt go CB round 1 i definitely wouldnt have wanted to grab 1 in round 2 with the talent thatll be there). 

It's looking like theres going to be a pass rusher or OL that all of us would be ecstatic with and maybe been ok with round 1 (Tim Williams, Cam Robinson, Forrest Lamp) and serious talent still around in Rd 3.

This was a pick that i think when the draft is over, and we see who we were able to get in Rounds 2 and 3.... and how no CB's made it to our 3rd round picks, we're going to be very happy with the haul and the strategy is going to look brilliant.

9 minutes ago, Ravenskid52752 said:

Green Bay already getting calls about 33 pick

Wouldn't be surprised if theyre the ones to take Mixon. 

1 minute ago, atomicfront said:

Watching the whole draft conference from the Ravens looks like the Ravens front office isn't happy about getting Humphrey.  Maybe they wanted Hooker or Barnett.  They look disappointed. 

They wanted Barnett or Reddick. Ozzie said they tried to trade up somewhere in the teens but couldn't get it done. 

Had to be for one of those two. 

Secondary goes from being the reason we lost to the Pats in '14 and not making the playoffs last year to now the best and deepest group on the team and maybe best unit in the league. 

3 deep with studs at Safety and if Marlon can turn it on early we've got 4 starting caliber CBs. Jimmy a Top 5 guy, Carr one of the better #2's, Tavon the best young slot CB in the game and Humphrey with all the potential in the world. Even if one goes down we can roll out 6 quality DB's. 

Real No Fly Zone. And good luck running. This D can be scary good if we get a stud pass rusher round 2.

Get Marlons team mate here stat. 

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

I dont understand why we didnt trade back. He probably would have been available at 24 or even 28

No he wouldn't. He was going 18 to Tennessee. 

23 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

they better trade up because those pass rushers will be off the board in a hurrry

I expect a run on CB's now bc everyone that waited on the depth is going to panic bc if you need a starter immediately there aren't too many left. 

And several of the teams in front of us already grabbed a pass rusher, don't need one or have much bigger needs. 

We should have at least one there.