eze17

  1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

  2 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

  2 hours ago, Steve32 said:

  3 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

he is average at best he got flacco hurried on numerous occasions he is no Ogden he is a consistent Oher and we all know how that turned out he is solid but I wish we would have gotten hargraves CB at 6 but I don't see stanley being a franchise LT hope we finally draft a good CB this year with 1st round pick

Glad Ozzie make the picks and not you!

so your happy with the bums that he picks I'm not can't wait for ozzie to be fired

Most of us are pretty happy with the guys Ozzie picks. We've had some great seasons. And really good guys... I mean afterall, Ozzie did pick Ogden, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, among many others like Chris McAlister, and got guys like Shannon Sharpe, Derrick Mason, Todd Heap... and the list goes on and on.... SMH... I'm just amazed at how people live their lives completely ticked off about everything and everybody now a days.

just like he drafted Kyle Boller,Mark Clayton,Chris Chester,Michael Oher,Sergio Kindle,Terrence Cody,Ed Dickson,Bernard Pierce,Matt Elam,Arthur Brown,DeRon Jenkins,Jay Graham,Patrick Johnson,Travis Taylor,Chris Redman,Musa Smith,Dwan Edwards,Denard Darling,Dan Cody,Adam Terry,David Pittman,Yamon Figurs,Tavares Gooden,Tom Zbikowski,Jah Reid and Terrence Brooks just to name a few yes he's picked some good guy but his hit to miss was 1-3 now he's like 1-5 an he's getting old this is a business first and foremost we have cut ties with lots of loved players an staff over the years an I think his time has come to walk away along with the so-called head coach John and his band of fools dean and marty so to me I don't know how some fans can see a problem for a period of time and still not want to fix it

Well, I;m impressed with your memory anyhow....but really, every GM has drafted guys who for one reason or another just don't pan out. Where's your list of players that Oz has drafted that have went on to have great careers? Certainly as long as the list of players you've named above. And as for "fixing" the Raven's problems by firing everybody, try asking the Cleveland Brownies about how that works...

  31 minutes ago, eze17 said:

My original post was that we simply need to look for a decent back up QB...Flacco is certainly a pretty durable QB, but he has had a major injury. I wouldn't consider a 4th rounder, or as I said the comp pick for KO, A wasted pick to obtain A decent quality back up QB. Mallet, in my opinion, is not the answer. And I suspect that there will be teams willing to over pay him. Hopefully not the Raven's.

I guess I'm not opposed to it, but I will point out that there are some decent backup QBs in this league, and a lot of them were 1st, 2nd or even 3rd round picks, or veterans that have been around for awhile.

I think its a bit presumptuous to draft a 4th rounder and just assume he's capable of being a backup QB right away. There's teams drafting 1st and 2nd rounders who can't even make the active roster on gameday on teams with far worse QB situations. That tells you how bad a lot of the QBs coming out of the draft are these days.

Frankly, if we used a 4th rounder on a QB, I'd suspect he'd spend a year or two as the 3rd QB (basically a PS player), meaning he's pretty useless. No way am I taking a 4th rounder and making him the backup in year 1.

Plus, as I said earlier, I'm not really interested in spending a 4th rounder on a guy that, ideally, will never play a snap for you. 6th or 7th rounder, sure, because those guys rarely plays snaps for us anyway. But we get starters and quality players out of 4th round picks all the time.

I'd rather just sign a veteran backup if that's the route we are going. I'd trust Mallett over a 4th rounder, and retaining Mallett won't be that difficult.

Well, good argument. I would say that if the QB is there, you take him. The original poster I was responding to suggested drafting Kiser, who does look to be a raw, but decent prospect. I don't know if I'd trust him as our back up QB, or use A 4th rounder on him (hard to tell just looking at game footage, you'd need to do an overall scouting report & have coaches personally meet him, as with any potential QB if your smart), however I DO think that drafting A rookie QB that the team is willing to develop would be A good idea. And I wouldn't consider an upper mid round pick being excesive if you think the guy can eventually be a quality player.

Unsure about retaining Mallet...A lot of teams looking for QB help. Not that he will get crazy money, but is he worth what is the market value? He is capable, but if the Raven's see someone worth drafting, I could see them going the inexperienced rookie QB route.

  1 hour ago, GageRage said:

How about Joe restructures and cuts his millions, $44mill with 15 rolling over into this next year... 24 mill next year too. For an 8-8 QB. Jimmy Smith 12 mill hit 2017 with 13 mill in 2018 for a CB who's not even a top 30 CB in the NFL. Only reason why i'd keep Doom with that 8 mill price tag is because it's his last year and if we wants a chance to get onto another team or even stay you gotta notch more then 3 sacks this season and with lingering injuries. kinda makes me think he was either planning on taking the injury and dipping out to another team or exactly whats going on in waiting out the year for a healthy contract year.

How about you take a pay cut and free up some salary for your company?!?!?!?!

He's not an 8-8 QB, THE TEAM IS 8-8. The TEXANS gave Osweiler $72 million for 4 years - what's that terd done? How many post season games has he won? Matt Ryan's contract was $104 million for 5 years - He's got 1 post season win and he's had 2 pro-bowl receivers his entire career in Roddy White, Julio Jones and had FHOF Tony Gonzalez. Ya'll act like other teams aren't paying premium contracts for top tier QB's. Maybe we should be like the Browns and just get garbage QB's and hope to win every week. How many 4th qrtr leads did the defense give up this season? Nobody is talking about any of those players taking a cut. Hell Webb's hit was $9. million - did we get $9 million worth of performance out of him this year? Think he had 1 pick right? Dumervil was $7 million hit - he started 3 games had 3 sacks. Elam's was $2 million and he managed 4 tackles!!! Wright's hit was $2 million - shiiii give me a uniform, 2 million dollars and I'll run around and let people beat me all day long!!! Powers' hit was $1.7 million - are you kidding me!?!?!? He doesn't even deserve to be paid!!

Hit the nail on the head! Righteous post!

  48 minutes ago, b93333 said:

  54 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Lets clear a few things up...

1. His contract would actually be quite easy to trade, and MANY teams would love to trade for him. A team trading for him would have to pay him the following:

2017: $6M
2018: $12M
2019: $18.5M
2020: $20.25M
2021: $24.25M

Needless to say, a TON of teams would die to get him locked into a deal like this for that period of time. IF the Ravens somehow decided to trade him, the issue wouldn't be lack of suitors or the contract. It would be finding quality compensation for us to get back, in the form of multiple top draft picks, which would be the barrier to such a trade.

2. The obvious reasons why he WON'T be traded is because we have no interest in trading him due to it being incredibly hard to find somebody equal or better for several years, and the fact that trading him would increase his cap hit for 2017 up to $47.3M, which is more than 25% of the overall salary cap. So you'll be punting 2017 entirely, regardless of what you get back for him. Will need to cut many, many other players just to get under the salary cap at that point.

Per the Sunpapers... cap hit of 24.55 M in '17, 24.75 M in '18, 26.5 M in '19.  Check your facts please.

rmcjacker23 is going off base salary. He doesn't understand that fFacco has huge signing bonuses lol. He can drop his $6M to $1M this year and still make a ton of money.

Yeah, you'd give up five million... Come on, man! Live in reality...

  35 minutes ago, metalraven said:

Ya. I don't think we even should get rid of Joe. Joe ain't exactly the best, but he's still a good starting QB, and you simply can't throw that away. But yes, picking up a QB in the draft, grooming him until Joe's contract expires (I believe the rookie contract will expire simultaneously...correct if I'm wrong on that), and HOPEFULLY feeling confident enough to start him. I know it's a long shot, but hey...

Sort of defeats the purpose of the drafted QB though.

For starters, I would like to see how many quality starting QBs there are in the league that sat behind somebody for literally like 3-5 years and "developed" into a good player. Aaron Rodgers is about the only example I see of this, and he sat 3 years... and that was over a decade ago. 

The entire benefit of rookie QBs playing well is that you get them for cheap. 

My original post was that we simply need to look for a decent back up QB...Flacco is certainly a pretty durable QB, but he has had a major injury. I wouldn't consider a 4th rounder, or as I said the comp pick for KO, A wasted pick to obtain A decent quality back up QB. Mallet, in my opinion, is not the answer. And I suspect that there will be teams willing to over pay him. Hopefully not the Raven's.

Not sure that I get it.... I understand that we are paying flacco a lot and that he eats up a chunk of the cap... but isn't that most teams dilemma? Brady is making 20million per , Rogers and Ben 21 per and more around the league and these teams are still finding ways to do it... Yes Joe is getting a little more then those guys but not enough to break the bank more. (granted his production is not on par with those guys and that don't help) but

Just from a salary cap perspective... that shouldn't break the bank. We have two
starting RBs that come and a bargain basement price.

We have a starting LT on a rookie contract. (those are big #s for most teams).

We have nearly an entire defensive front 7 on rookie contracts (or at least price friendly contracts). (with the exception of Suggs)

We have a bunch of middle of the pay scale TEs

We have one high paid CB
Heck...we even have Weddle at a good deal

(we do have a few people over paid- Zuttah, Webb, probably Joe, Elvis,) some we have to eat and some we should re-negotiate or off load but I think Joes contract is more of an excuse... (other teams are doing it and finding ways to be successful in spite of paying their QBs big contracts).

We need to do a little better job negotiating some of these contracts.
BTW should the Ray Rice contract expire this season also clearing some cap room for us?

Nice post.

  32 minutes ago, eze17 said:

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

"Part of the reason Baltimore’s salary cap is difficult to navigate is the fact that they have quarterback Joe Flacco signed to a $120 million contract. Having one of the league’s highest-paid quarterbacks eats up a sizable chunk of the cap space."

LOL - and what do we have to show for it?

Anyways, we're stuck, may as well make the best of it.

K. Lewis and Arrington just take up space. Doom has been almost worthless. So, bye, bye.

A super bowl championship. It's that simple. Joe got paid for winning the big one, like it or not (And what real Raven fan would take a good statistical QB over a SB ring?). Pretty good on his part for waiting out and getting SB MVP=extra big pay day.

I'm not questioning the decision to pay him. It had to be done. That's the market. Yes, Joe was smart for betting on himself. But post-super bowl, we have NOTHING to show for it. It's THAT simple. And who said anything about stats? I sure didn't. But since you brought it up, Joe's "stats" have sucked, and so has his record, since the SB.

Come on, you know that stat's were implied, or you wouldn't have brought them up...I'll take a QB who can win the big game over a fantasy stud ten times out of ten. It's that simple. Nothing to show? Well, personally I love to watch football, so as long as the Raven's are putting out a competitive team I'm all in. Yeah, the last two seasons have been disappointing. No denial there. But in the long haul, we've had great football. And I'm confidant we will have continued good fortune. Drinking the purple Kool-Aid? Yeah, to A degree. I certainly don't agree with everything that the FO & coaching staff do, nor deny that some players under perform. But to say that "well, Joe sucks" is A cop out, and ignoring the past. Flacco still has some good football in him...Just keep the faith.

Really?! Aren't we tight against the cap EVERY year? And I am still failing to see the value that we should be realizing by spending on some of these more veteran players.

We are constantly tight against the cap, have a really aging roster, have had poor drafts (save for last year's I hope), and are absolutely handcuffed by Joe's huge contract. For heaven's sake, Ben Roethlisberger (spelling?), Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Cam Newton, Matt Stafford, and Matt Ryan made LESS than Joe last year and are all putting up numbers substantially better than Joe's ( and have been at some point in the MVP discussion ). Bad spending. Bad.

I would rather blow this thing up and know that we are trying to move forward than continue to put band aids on this mess in effort to "try and surround" Joe with the talent to win. You surround Teddy Bridgewater, Jay Cutler, Carson Palmer, Alex Smith with talent to help them win because they can't carry a team, - not top tier QBs like we are paying Joe to be.

If everyone in local and national media, and majority of the fans (and probably coaches) agree he is not the kind of QB that will carry a team, then why are we paying him like one then? And don't give me that "well that is what the market says he should be paid" garbage either, - see above.

Of course since I posted this, Joe will have an MVP season next year, we will have a top 5 offense AND defense, and we will win the Superbowl. Then I will eat my words, - and gladly!!

So...Newton, Stafford and Ryan: no championships. Rodgers & Wilson have same number of rings as Flacco. Give Big Ben his due, and Brady is being considered as one of the best QB's that has ever played in the NFL...

Can't carry A team? Did you even watch our Super Bowl year? 11 TD's with NO INT? Come on, man...

  18 minutes ago, eze17 said:

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

Honestly, I'd like to see us draft DeShone Kizer. He may fall because he lacks experience (not even two full seasons as NDs starter). If he does, we should take him, groom him. I think he's going to be a great QB. He has all of the tangibles; but he has a very competitive spirit, and he's tough.

Depends on where he falls...I'd like to see us take a QB in the general area of the 4th round, or maybe the comp pick we get for KO...not saying we need to get rid of Joe, but grooming a backup QB has no negative that I can see. Mallet is not the answer, and will more than likely will be paid well over what he's worth by some other team.

i agree that some other team will offer more for mallett. we should draft a qb to possibly groom but wonder if we could live with lets say a ryan fitzpatrick if he is cheap enough.

No.

  5 minutes ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

If Flacco cares to win again he will help the team by restructuring. He has made enough money over the years and he is one of the main reasons our team is struggling. If he can't see this then we really need to look at QBs in the draft. Light a fire under him.

Doom and Webb must go just for the money.

Flacco is due to make just $6M next season. So you want him to restructure for less than that?

Excellent point.

I think with all the injuries we've had over the last two seasons that getting rid of the strength and conditioning coach was A good move. Pretty obvious that he was not getting the job done.

I'll say it again: If the Raven's retain K. Lewis, this franchise is doomed. He has to have incriminating photos of someone, cause the dude looks awful on the field. So sad that he hasn't played like I thought he could.

Honestly, I'd like to see us draft DeShone Kizer. He may fall because he lacks experience (not even two full seasons as NDs starter). If he does, we should take him, groom him. I think he's going to be a great QB. He has all of the tangibles; but he has a very competitive spirit, and he's tough.

Depends on where he falls...I'd like to see us take a QB in the general area of the 4th round, or maybe the comp pick we get for KO...not saying we need to get rid of Joe, but grooming a backup QB has no negative that I can see. Mallet is not the answer, and will more than likely will be paid well over what he's worth by some other team.

"Part of the reason Baltimore’s salary cap is difficult to navigate is the fact that they have quarterback Joe Flacco signed to a $120 million contract. Having one of the league’s highest-paid quarterbacks eats up a sizable chunk of the cap space."

LOL - and what do we have to show for it?

Anyways, we're stuck, may as well make the best of it.

K. Lewis and Arrington just take up space. Doom has been almost worthless. So, bye, bye.

A super bowl championship. It's that simple. Joe got paid for winning the big one, like it or not (And what real Raven fan would take a good statistical QB over a SB ring?). Pretty good on his part for waiting out and getting SB MVP=extra big pay day.

Dumervil GONE. Guy GONE. Lewis GONE. Arrington GONE. Webb, restructure or GONE. Brandon Williams will test FA and go to the team that pays him the most. GONE.

I agree with you except for Guy. He's a decent enough utility man and won't cost a lot of cash, so I could easily see him back. Definately agree with Webbie needing to restructure his deal, and could possibly see the Raven's even cutting ties completely. Wright will be interesting though, other than the first game where he looked like gang busters, he played WELL below his potential. Seeing how we just signed him to a new contract, interesting if the Raven's will retain him.

If they bring back K. Lewis I may have to consider the Raven's front office totally hopeless and doomed to failure.

State of the Ravens press conference ought to be fun. Can't wait for the plethora of cliche excuses and slogans. "We are close to being a really good team", "Only need couple of tweeks", "We'll be back better in 2017". What a load of hogwash it's gonna probably be. This is why I'm slowly starting to lose respect for Harbaugh. I would respect an honest, straight to the point HC way more.

I wish John would just say: "Hey, here's the deal. Offensive playcalling was garbage the entire season, defense failed miserably in December and needs to start receiving some serious value from its young players, especially pass rushers, and our most expensive "franchise" player performed far below average considering his salary, experience and pieces he had around him. Wouldn't hurt to have some WRs getting open once in a while and DBs who don't fall on their fat slow arses covering slant routes. These are our issues and we'll focus on them this offseason.".

I understand it might seem as if throwing someone under the bus and might rub some people the wrong way, but Harbaugh has been covering up the shortcomings of many of our players and staff members for many years now and it has not led to better results. This approach is obviously not working. By pinpointing the issues with straight forward attitude, Harbs would at least create some belief that we actually might fix these problems and maybe, just maybe deliver the message to his team as well. Instead, we're probably gonna be hearing a lot of big empty words for 9 months now, and hope everything will get better by doing the exact same things we've been doing for 5 years. That's the definition of insanity, I think.

The only person Harbs needs to answer to is Steve Biscotti. No one else. So I don't expect him to dis anyone publicly, except if he's honest maybe himself for not having players fully motivated and losing to many close games that we could have won. Publicly blaming players and assistant coaches for the teams shortcomings would not only be unprofessional, but come across as cheap and petty. Which despite some other flaws, Harbs is not. Now, behind closed doors, I think the Ravens fully realize that there needs to be some accountability and more than a few underachiving players and staff are going to be looking for new homes. But don't expect public shaming for the fan's benefit.

  38 minutes ago, eze17 said:

  55 minutes ago, iluvpurple said:

My thoughts on Steve retiring a Panther is, if they wanted him to retire a Panther, maybe they shouldn't have unceremoniously dumped him from the team.... In my opinion, he was whole-heartedly a Raven, and I wish he had spent his entire 16 years here 🏈

Ed Reed didn't finish his career in Baltimore...So be careful of your analogies. For that matter, the great Johnny U. didn't end his career with the Colt's either...Yet when you think of those two, Baltimore pops up automatically. It's a matter of perspective.

That was basically Ed Reed's choice; not the organizations. They didn't cut him.

No, but they also didn't exactly bend over backwards to retain him either. He wasn't guaranteed a starting position, nor offered what he considered good money. All I'm pointing out is that players don't always end their careers with the teams they started with. In fact, you could go on and on with all the hall of famers who finished out their careers somewhere other than the team you most associate them with. If SSS wants to retire a Raven, I'd be more than happy, but realisticaly he will be remembered more as a Panther, at least everywhere besides Baltimore.

My thoughts on Steve retiring a Panther is, if they wanted him to retire a Panther, maybe they shouldn't have unceremoniously dumped him from the team.... In my opinion, he was whole-heartedly a Raven, and I wish he had spent his entire 16 years here 🏈

Ed Reed didn't finish his career in Baltimore...So be careful of your analogies. For that matter, the great Johnny U. didn't end his career with the Colt's either...Yet when you think of those two, Baltimore pops up automatically. It's a matter of perspective.

My gut feeling is SSS retires a Panther. They are the team that drafted him, that he spent the most time with, and put up most of his #'s with...The guy has played great as a Raven, but my guess is that in the long haul, he'll go back to where he started. I am just happy that he decided to wear the purple and black, and that he showed such outstanding dedication to not only playing as hard as he could, but brought a great sense of leadership to the locker room...He will definately be missed.

Is it just me or is the biggest snub Zachary Orr? How do you have at this point 85 solo tackles, 3 pass defends, 2 INTs, 1 forced fumble and 2 fumble recoveries and you started out your career as a rookie free agent and don't make the Pro Bowl?

I thought the same. Orr is having a terrific year and is pro bowl worthy, but he's still relatively unknown outside of Baltimore. If he continues this pace, people will begin to notice him.

  23 hours ago, eze17 said:

  23 hours ago, Crusader said:

  On 12/21/2016 at 8:37 AM, whobilly said:

  On 12/21/2016 at 8:23 AM, Crusader said:

  On 12/20/2016 at 9:55 PM, Wisdom said:

Oh heavens no... You mean to tell me Flacco wasn't selected?  I wonder why?  LoL!!!!

Did you happen to see the verbal exchange on the NFL channel with Ray Lewis and they were announcing the QB’s? Even other NFL players were making fun of "Ray's Guy" Joe. Joe better pay attention or history will show he was just lucky and his contract was unwarranted.

Quick...Pick one. A QB who puts up numbers and wins NOTHING (Example-Rivers and Ryan) or a QB who is good and has the ability to lead his team to playoff wins and a SB Victory.

If Joe ever wants to get past the first playoff round again ever again he is going to have to play better. He also can't let OC's make dumb calls and just go with it. Joe still has time but does he really want to end up rated around with Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer.? http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/162272534/ranking-all-57-super-bowl-starting-quarerbacks.

Pretty sure Marino, Tarkenton, Fouts, etc. would take lower career statistics for a championship ring.

I'm sure they would but those three guys also made it in the Hall of Fame.

But as a fan, would you rather have a QB who makes the hall of fame but does not win the big game or a QB who does not put up great regular season numbers but has helped win your team a championship? I know my choice...

Yeah, Hines Ward is easily the worst Squeeler...Porter should be second. He was a dirty player who would intentionally try to hurt our players. Polamalu beat us a lot, but I had some respect for him because he just played hard against us. Ward and Porter were simply nasty dudes who hated the Ravens. No respect or love for either of them.

as alway's,our kicker and punter make the pro bowl.

When did Juice, Yanda and Mosley become kickers and/or punters? And yet once again, someone complaining about the Raven's having great special teams. Go figure.

Congrats to our pro bowlers! They certainly deserve the accolades.

  2 hours ago, whobilly said:

  2 hours ago, Crusader said:

  13 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Oh heavens no... You mean to tell me Flacco wasn't selected?  I wonder why?  LoL!!!!

Did you happen to see the verbal exchange on the NFL channel with Ray Lewis and they were announcing the QB’s? Even other NFL players were making fun of "Ray's Guy" Joe. Joe better pay attention or history will show he was just lucky and his contract was unwarranted.

Quick...Pick one. A QB who puts up numbers and wins NOTHING (Example-Rivers and Ryan) or a QB who is good and has the ability to lead his team to playoff wins and a SB Victory.

If Joe ever wants to get past the first playoff round again ever again he is going to have to play better. He also can't let OC's make dumb calls and just go with it. Joe still has time but does he really want to end up rated around with Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer.? http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/162272534/ranking-all-57-super-bowl-starting-quarerbacks.

Pretty sure Marino, Tarkenton, Fouts, etc. would take lower career statistics for a championship ring.