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Congrats to Weddle! Goes from being back-up to team captain? Shows how much his fellow players admire his skills at least.

I always like the perception that oh 5'10 or 5'11 are too small to play on the outside,blow about Chris Harris Jr, Joe Haden, Ladarius Webb--before the injury, etc. 

Every draft I have a few players that I just feel are going to be game changers at the next level and I think it would be a shame if we missed on King in the early second. 

He legitimately defines what a Raven is. Hard nosed, discipline defender that gives 100% effort on every play. His bulkier frame and speed might limit him at times, but he has a lot of other traits that give indication that he will be a special talent. 

He is super instinctive, he makes plays on the ball before the ball even leaves the QBs hand. On comeback routes he comes back to the ball hard and stops the play dead in its track. Ball skills. He doesn't drop picks when they are in his hand. He may not have super fluid hips or ability to mirror, but he makes up for that with his ability to redirect receivers. I also like that he turns his head to make plays on the ball and he doesn't get handsy when the ball is in the air. Very discipline. 

Agree that King will be a factor in the NFL. Could also be converted to safety if need be. Curious if the Raven's would draft him if they pick up one of the top CB's with our first round pick, however. Nice post advocating him in any case.

Ben is wearing the walking boot of retirement to get more sympathy and so he can hear the Squealers fans crying so he won't quit. Well, he has to pay back like 20 mil in money he already got in signing bonuses so I doubt very seriously if this is anything more than another childish attempt to get attention.

Truth!!! 100%!!!

DeCosta is going nowhere. The Raven's are actually paying him GM money already, he has super strong ties to Baltimore, Biscotti & Newsome have total faith in him, etc. etc....And really, would he want to go neck deep into the mess that Irsay has created in Indy? My guess is "no way!"

  2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Ben Roethlisberger - Attention seeking Drama Qeen par excellence
Joe Flacco - Polar opposite par excellence.

Big Ben is actually a pretty nice guy. He's had a lot of concussions and im sure that's playing into his decision.

Sure, ask some of the women he's assaulted how "nice" a guy he is...He's the steriotypical jock who thinks he is better than everybody else. Listen to not only how he speaks, but his reactions to media questions. He feel's he's above the "common" people. Arrogant jerk, period. He pretends injuries like no other QB, because he want's all the attention focused on him. And as for concussions, he had the fewest times sacked last year in his career. Look it up. Just more melodrama from someone who has to have the attention on himself, rather than answer why his team couldn't beat the Pat's and contend for another Super Bowl.

This is the type of football player you want your children to emulate. Such a blow for the Raven's not only losing a rising star, but a man with a whole lot of class. With his attitude and determination, I'm positive that he will succeed in whatever endeavor he puts his mind to. You will be remembered in Baltimore, brother.

Very saddened to hear this...Orr was fast becoming one of my favorite Raven's. I am glad that he was blessed to find out his condition before he had a serious injury. He always came across as a hard working man, so I would fully expect him to find success in what ever endeavor he undertakes now that he is retiring. Good luck, best wishes and you will be fondly remembered in Baltimore, brother.

  25 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

  2 hours ago, The Greek said:

hope harbaugh does not promote hewitt or horton. go out and get somone with a history of success. college ranks possibly?

Harbaugh's lack of a great network (being a special teams coach and because he has only coached on 2 NFL teams) and the fact that he is fiercely loyal even if at the cost of improvement means he'll promote from within.

I think you are failing to consider both his father who is well entrenched and his brother, who is still getting NFL coaching offers, then yes he is limited. But he has already shown he has no problem hiring people who coached for both his brother and his father which opens up a number of quality coaches in the NFL. It doesn't matter, to the naysayers, Harbaugh could have gone to the playoffs 9 years in a row and won a super bowl and some of these so-called Ravens fans would want him fired because he only won one super bowl in 9 tries. Everyone wants to win every year and if the fans had their way, only Bellicek would have a job and 31 other coaching jobs would be terminated for lack of production. Thank goodness the fans don't run things.

Well said. And I personally know Pat's fans who have complained about Bellicek being out of touch after some of his rare play-off losses and want him fired and a new coach brought in to "shake things up". So you'll NEVER please some fans, no matter how good they've got it. Sad.

  17 hours ago, whobilly said:

  20 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

  20 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  21 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

Our problem is letting our guys go(the ones we draft): Kruger...Upshaw--Torrey--McPhee--KO- we missed on ELAM/BROWN... maxx/carl davis aren't doing much...this year we will let wagner juice and bwill go... how do you expect us to be any good??? soo yea don't blame flacco..Our Coordinators or even our Running game....don't blame anyone but the FO/GM... they have no idea how to pick talent past couple of years.... they are good DEPTH FINDERS not elite talent finders.

Kruger-situational pass rusher only, nothing else

Upshaw- average ILB or system player

Torrey- would not fight even if someone steals his lunch money.

McPhee-another systematic guy and injury away from retirement.

KO- asking too much money and only teams that won't spend anything or cheap for past decade can afford it, so he asked for LT money to play for the LG...what a rip off.....

I don't see any problem you are listing but more like positive takeaways...

 

Kruger: do we have anyone else that can be a situational passrusher.. id take kruger over ZADARIUS OR JUDON OR MCCLELAN
Upshaw: best edge setter since JOHNSON.. why get rid of him
torrey: Since he left.. flacco has gone deep barely once a game... WE NEEDED HIM
McPhee: injuries this injuries that... he was starting to become what we needed then got rid of him... pathetic
KO: sometimes you just have to pay people... simple as that. we paid yanda how many times? why because hes the best we got.

The Ravens offered Torrey a contract. He took the Niners offer of MORE MONEY. Offered KO a contract, he took the Raiders offer of MORE MONEY. McPhee and Kruger wanted to test the FA Market to see how much MORE MONEY they could get. Do you see a trend here? You can't play a good player great player money. The Raiders had the money to offer KO simply because they have not had to address breaking the bank with Carr and the QB position.....for now.

Oz low balled KO- google it- KO was offended by it, and no way he was going to come play for the Ravens. Just like Oz tried to lowball Anquan on the last year of his contract, and see what happened after we lost Anquan- we only made it to the playoffs once since he and Torrey left. Bad Oz, bad Oz

So because we've lost an aging possesion reciever and a questionable #2 WR who wanted #1 money, that's the reason we can't make the play-offs? Maybe we should give you a crack at GM...

And have googled KO...Ozzie offered him a little over market value, Raiders way over paid him. They'll be begging him to restructure his contract in the next year or so when Carr, Mack, ect. start coming into their pay-days...

  8 minutes ago, omar586 said:

they gonna have to start taking talented players with off field issues, with the exception of domestic violence of course.

Why? Not saying they won't take a chance with someone who has had issues (they drafted Alex Smith last year, and he had spent time in jail for assault), but you make it seem like the only really good players out there all have personal problems, which is not true. What is your point?

Whoops! Meant Alex Lewis! Sorry!

they gonna have to start taking talented players with off field issues, with the exception of domestic violence of course.

Why? Not saying they won't take a chance with someone who has had issues (they drafted Alex Smith last year, and he had spent time in jail for assault), but you make it seem like the only really good players out there all have personal problems, which is not true. What is your point?

  15 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

  17 hours ago, The Greek said:

start perriman and lets see if he can develop into the all around beast we need and play moore plenty as well. we keep bringing in these aging vets which stunts the growth of the young guys we have because of the lack of real game reps they receive. alshon is only 26 so he would be an exception but he has been injured lately and had the stupid suspension this season so that should be taken into consideration.

I like that idea Greek, Start Perriman and Wallace. Moore is definitely worth keeping as a 4th. So if Aiken goes, which he probably will, the idea of picking up a 5-8 year Vet is a good one. Some times teams just dont have the room to keep them. I would consider a guy like Jeremy Maclin who went to KC and had his best 2 seasons after leaving the Eagles, then this year drops off mainly due to less targeting. The guy has plenty in the tank and would be a great #2/3 for the Ravens organization. Keep your eye on him or the likes of Pryor, Jeffrey, or even work a trade for someone like a Travis Benjamin or Tavon Austin where teams have receiver options.

I like the idea, but hate the idea of Tavon or Benjamin. Maclin could be good, but risky imo. He's not a physical guy or a guy that can win 50-50 balls either. Someone will overpay him. Jefferey is super risky, but maybe worth it. But I like the idea of Pryor. Kendall wright may be a sweet fit too, though I really don't want to ever see "wright" on the back of a Ravens jersey again. never did

Ha-Ha, guy can't help what his last name is! And he probably would be a nice addition. Pryor might fit the bill also. DeSean Jackson would be up there on my list additionally, though I heard he may want to go back to Philly. Unfortunately, we all know that drafting WR is Ozzie's major flaw, although maybe (hopefully!) Perriman and Moore will change that perception. Agree we need to get some more players in the mix in any case.

I'd rather see us go for a game changing Gronkowski type of TE.

1: Gronk is an almost generational type player who only comes around once every few years. You basically just have to get lucky in the draft.
2: Depends on what type of system your team is running. The Pats offensive scheme runs through Gronk, so you'd have to implement that type of offence.
3: We already have, like, how many TE's? You think we need to draft another?

  1 hour ago, btfan2 said:

  2 hours ago, RavenManiac#7 said:

I've always thought that Mr. Bisciotti is the best owner of a sports team that I've seen, and I still do. We are very lucky that he is the owner of the Ravens. But, that doesn't mean that he's incapable of making a mistake. I know that a lot of people will think I'm really full of myself for saying this kind of stuff, but let me at least Try to dispel that thought by stating, emphatically, here that I believe that he is Much more intelligent than I am. That does not change my mind about thinking that he is making a mistake about this though. But, it's His team, not the fans' team. He has Every right to make ALL the decisions. As successful as he is in running the business that made him a billionaire, though, that doesn't mean that Every entity should be run the Exact same way in order for it to be the most successful as it can be. A football team, with it's particular situation within a league that has it's own unique rules to follow, along with a CBA with the Players' Union (which can be vastly different than, say, a more typical workers union, if applicable) may have a better chance for success being run differently than a company in a different business setting. And, I have to wonder if he sees Harbaugh's obvious shortcomings as an NFL HC. All I hear is praise for Harbs from him. No mention at all about his glaring weaknesses. Well, realistically, I guess he doesn't want to air out those things in public, but I sure hope that he addresses them with him at the big meeting. And then, that he holds him accountable for improvement in those areas, just like Harbaugh would, or should, be doing with his players. I Still hope that I am proved entirely wrong in thinking that Harbaugh should be fired. I would Much rather me be dead wrong than for the Ravens to continue to be a mediocre team at best. I truly want to eat crow on this one.

I must disagree on one point. In reality this is not Mr. Bisciotti's team. This team belongs to the city of Baltimore's citizens who paid for that expensive stadium on the backs of young students that have crap for schools. Why; because tax money can only do so much. Not to mention the police who direct traffic and protect fans, etc.

This team belongs to every fan that buys tickets, buys t shirts, sweat shirts and all manner of overpriced junk with the Ravens logo across the US and abroad. For every fan who watches on local TV or must pay for NFL Sunday Ticket out of state and all the other cable scams and then still must endure 2 + hours of inane commercials (that mightily fill the Ravens Org. bank account). Then this Web site that has the audacity to force users to endure more commercials to watch a replay, really dude? I'm sure I haven't even scratched the surface. The final insult, raise ticket prices; priceless.

I have no idea what MR B. paid for this team but; you can bet he’s made millions maybe even a billion.
All that being said, he the FA, the coaches, the players, grounds keepers etc., all of them answer to us. Consumers(fans) to not understand their power. We pay for everything either directly or inadvertently. Our reply to this should be ok, but; we as fans are going to stop buying all manner of Ravens Junk, maybe skip a few games, and do whatever small thing possible to reduce the Ravens Organizations spending money until this crap gets fixed.
Mr. B. you’re on NOTICE, one more year!

That sounds all well and good but its a bunch of BS. You're not putting "Mr. B" on notice.

100% correct. Biscotti owns the team, not the city nor the fans. Anyone who believes he needs to answer to them is delusional. People in Baltimore once thought the same about a guy named Irsay. If you're old enough, you remember how that ended.

And any one who doesn't like that, well, quit buying tickets, t-shirts and other gear. Stop going to games. Stop watching games. No one "owes" you anything. The NFL is entertainment, not medical procedure that needs to be regulated. Get over it.

  On 1/9/2017 at 4:29 PM, eze17 said:

  On 1/9/2017 at 3:46 PM, The Mom Gene said:

  On 1/9/2017 at 2:44 PM, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Webb and Watson must go that's the ravens problem to many older players and webb can't cover

 

  On 1/9/2017 at 2:47 PM, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Doom will be gone hasn't done anything in 2 years

 

  On 1/9/2017 at 2:47 PM, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

we are a head coach OC DC away from playoffs

 

We should just get rid of everyone and completely start over.  That would solve all of our problems.

I know your being sarcastic, but that is some people that comment on this site's solution. Of course, some of them are common trolls, but others genuinely believe that getting rid of everyone in the FO, all the coaches and 90% of the players would make us a better team. Guess they've never heard of the Cleveland Brownies, who've been trying that approach for years.

I kwow football but you don't have two ,to see our coaches cost us games every year those are FACTs from a smart fan not a troll and if someone doesn't see that you don't know football

I'm assuming you "know" football, not k-wow it. And when you use the number two, is that how many coaches you're upset with? Smart fans have seen every single coach, from Lombardi to Parcells to Bellicheck make questionable calls that have lost their team's games. It's an NFL fact. Not saying I'm 100% happy with Harb's play calling: his clock management is virtually non-existant, the commitment to the run game baffling, and I have always questioned his ability to "slam the door shut" at times in games. But just because I don't want to blow up the entire team doesn't mean I don't "know" football. Firing the GM, the entire coaching staff & the majority of the players,which so many on here THINK they want (and trolls actually do) will give satisfaction for about 24 hours, til it kicks in that we will be a non-competitive football team willing to accept many long years of losing football.

  1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Webb and Watson must go that's the ravens problem to many older players and webb can't cover

 

  1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

Doom will be gone hasn't done anything in 2 years

 

  1 hour ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

we are a head coach OC DC away from playoffs

 

We should just get rid of everyone and completely start over.  That would solve all of our problems.

I know your being sarcastic, but that is some people that comment on this site's solution. Of course, some of them are common trolls, but others genuinely believe that getting rid of everyone in the FO, all the coaches and 90% of the players would make us a better team. Guess they've never heard of the Cleveland Brownies, who've been trying that approach for years.

  1 hour ago, whobilly said:

I'm thinking basically every player on the chart with the exception of Wallace. We do need one or two WR's. Pita could be gone unless he is willing to restructure. I would also take a look at Suggs. Running on fumes. Time to start working in younger blood. Of course if we could draft players instead of roster fillers that would help a great deal.

Take a look at Suggs? O.K., he's the best pass rusher on the team right now, and that's after basically missing the 2015 season & playing 2016 with one arm. All for getting younger at the position, but right now who would step in to fill his shoes? Unless we go out and throw a bunch of money at expensive veterans, no one on the team or in the draft have the credentials to take his place. Not saying we won't get better, but right now he's the most solid contibutor we have at the position. I'll take a T-Sizzle running on fumes, especially looking at his performance this season, over an inexperienced player trying to fill the void that's left if we cut him.

Not saying a rookie draft pick COULDN'T come on gang busters, but that's a big maybe...Right now, I'd stay with the experienced veteran over unproven talent.

I'm thinking basically every player on the chart with the exception of Wallace. We do need one or two WR's. Pita could be gone unless he is willing to restructure. I would also take a look at Suggs. Running on fumes. Time to start working in younger blood. Of course if we could draft players instead of roster fillers that would help a great deal.

Take a look at Suggs? O.K., he's the best pass rusher on the team right now, and that's after basically missing the 2015 season & playing 2016 with one arm. All for getting younger at the position, but right now who would step in to fill his shoes? Unless we go out and throw a bunch of money at expensive veterans, no one on the team or in the draft have the credentials to take his place. Not saying we won't get better, but right now he's the most solid contibutor we have at the position. I'll take a T-Sizzle running on fumes, especially looking at his performance this season, over an inexperienced player trying to fill the void that's left if we cut him.

Keep T-Sizzle...Dude plays with heart & bleeds purple and black. Still enough gas in the tank to get after the QB, plays through injury, vocal leader, veteran presense...what more can you ask of him? Probably deserves a pay raise more than a pay cut.

Anyone who is even suggesting that we keep K. Lewis, for any reason, has not been watching Raven's games the last two years or is certifiably insane. Even the dude's immediate family would have to agree that he has been a shell of what he once was. Not even worried about saving 1.8 million, would pay that just to see him gone. Sorry, he may be a great guy, but is a detriment to the team and has lost the ability to play even respectable NFL football.

  54 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

  4 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  7 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  7 hours ago, jsarrocohome@yahoo.com said:

  9 hours ago, stampedehero said:

In this years draft we should aim for the corners and lineman.   However, another 8-8 or 5-11 season can happen as we are a consistent 3 and out team.  

We need apass rusher first because if you can't get to the QB no corner can cover all day

WHats your thought on Solomon Thomas. I didn't really watched college this year, and have only studied a little so far. He looks pretty awesome though. I still think we need a CB first round. Esp with all the talent this year. I feel like there could be at least 2-5 future pro bowl cbs in the first round of this year. I've never really seen that before. And there is a bunch of talent elsewhere. In all honesty, at 16, I feel like we'll be getting a player that would go top 5 i a lot of drafts. Because of the overall talent in this draft. We still have to get the pick right though, obviously. I feel like we have to go corner for so many reasons. So far I really like Wilson, Tabor, Jones, Jamal Adams (saftey), and there's at least 3-4 other cbs people are talking about going in the first. I haven't looked much yet. Wilson looks like a remedy for Ravens football to me. Pair him with Jimmy Tavon and Weddle for years to come = secondary problems beyond solved, and probably the best in the league. Building the rest of the D around that would be fun imo

I haven't watched any college FB this year but will watch senior bowl mock drafts have us taking a pass rusher from Alabama with our first pick don't remember his name but sounds like a good player but I agree with you CB talent deep in this draft seems tobe good corners available in first 3 rounds

Just hope FO doesn't make the mistake of drafting CB late and miss out on top talent, thinking its a deep class. They have a deep need to upgrade the secondary talent period. Everyone knows the Ravens have a stout run game defense.

There is already pass rushers on this team. Give them another 0.2-0.3 seconds on average to get home and the difference in outcomes will be huge. Opposing QB's were not forced into holding the ball long enough to feel the pressure and negates the work of your pass rush and wears them down in the process.

Also Weedle and Webb was a good combo at Safety, but really now is the time to think forward and bring another young player in to learn the position from those vets. They did not groom up a safety before Reeds departure and look at the whole situation that created. It took several years to "fix" but they are again in a similar position. Elam is good for depth but needs to show more on the field to consider him a future starter.

we will have to address some needs before draft in FA and Im not a fan of weddle or webb weddles not terrible but shies away from hitting and webs play and salary will be enough to cut him this year we need a thumper at saftey

I thought Weddle was a nice addition. Plays with heart, will give you a great play every now and then and has become a vocal leader in the locker room. Agree that something needs to be done with Webbie. As long as they show K. Lewis the door, the team almost has to improve.

I'd like to see the FO not try and prove how clever they are with the 2nd and 3rd-rounders...Hasn't worked to well in the past.  I can see them trading back from 16, and then bundling some later round pics to move up / add pics in the 2nd and 3rd.  There's a lot of depth in this draft at DE/OLB and CB.

There's a lot of depth, but there are some legitimate blue chip guys on defense that could still be around also, which is why I hope we stay at #16 and draft a player who could turn out to be a real difference maker. The quanity over quality approach that the FO gambles on may have worked out in the 4th round last year - I'll withhold judgement for awhile, though it looks promising - But in other drafts has ended up hurting us. I say go for the stud DE, OLB or DB in 2017.

Yeah I disagree..ofcourse we need another top notch corner... But the pass rush has got to be the priority. A good pass rush cash make an average secondary look great.

Truth.

Having a consistent pass rush would also help out the secondary. I agree that Smith is a key piece in the DB corps, and adding another premier player via FA or draft would help, however, if the modern day QB in this league is given enough time, he will invaribly find an open man. Even most mediocre QB's out there have the skills to find a WR if allowed enough time. The Raven's pass rush has been woefully inconsistent the past two years. Even if it doesn't equate to sacks, we need more QB pressure. Without it, even the best CB's in the league are going to be burned eventually.

  56 minutes ago, eze17 said:

  1 hour ago, BiggMack91 said:

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  3 hours ago, Steve32 said:

  4 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

he is average at best he got flacco hurried on numerous occasions he is no Ogden he is a consistent Oher and we all know how that turned out he is solid but I wish we would have gotten hargraves CB at 6 but I don't see stanley being a franchise LT hope we finally draft a good CB this year with 1st round pick

Glad Ozzie make the picks and not you!

so your happy with the bums that he picks I'm not can't wait for ozzie to be fired

Most of us are pretty happy with the guys Ozzie picks. We've had some great seasons. And really good guys... I mean afterall, Ozzie did pick Ogden, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, among many others like Chris McAlister, and got guys like Shannon Sharpe, Derrick Mason, Todd Heap... and the list goes on and on.... SMH... I'm just amazed at how people live their lives completely ticked off about everything and everybody now a days.

just like he drafted Kyle Boller,Mark Clayton,Chris Chester,Michael Oher,Sergio Kindle,Terrence Cody,Ed Dickson,Bernard Pierce,Matt Elam,Arthur Brown,DeRon Jenkins,Jay Graham,Patrick Johnson,Travis Taylor,Chris Redman,Musa Smith,Dwan Edwards,Denard Darling,Dan Cody,Adam Terry,David Pittman,Yamon Figurs,Tavares Gooden,Tom Zbikowski,Jah Reid and Terrence Brooks just to name a few yes he's picked some good guy but his hit to miss was 1-3 now he's like 1-5 an he's getting old this is a business first and foremost we have cut ties with lots of loved players an staff over the years an I think his time has come to walk away along with the so-called head coach John and his band of fools dean and marty so to me I don't know how some fans can see a problem for a period of time and still not want to fix it

Well, I;m impressed with your memory anyhow....but really, every GM has drafted guys who for one reason or another just don't pan out. Where's your list of players that Oz has drafted that have went on to have great careers? Certainly as long as the list of players you've named above. And as for "fixing" the Raven's problems by firing everybody, try asking the Cleveland Brownies about how that works...

you are right to an extent about drafting but I think Eric DeCosta will do just fine when OZ leaves an its my opinion that it should be soon but as far as firing john,marty,dean turning us into browns your wrong we should do it now and get it over with john has not won anything worth mentioning since the super bowl he can't manage the clock an holds the wrong people accountable and has lost games for us with horrible special teams plays so if we made a strong offer to Pats OC Josh McDaniels for head coach bring back chuck pagano as DC and Jedd Fisch as the OC with McDaniels over seeing everything we would be back in the playoffs in 1-3 years and would be true contenders for years to come but thats just me

Agree that DeCosta will be A fine GM. Also agree that Harbs is terrible with clock management. But he was brought along under Andy Reid, who is possibly the worst head coach in the NFL when it comes to clock management. Not a real excuse, but the nut doesn't fall far from the tree. Disagree with the special teams comment. We actually have one of the best ST units in the league. Yeah, I know that return specialist is a desperate need, Hester was a shell of his former self, but overall special teams played well. I would have been o.k. with a change of OC, however I think the Ravens want to see some stability at the position and kept Morny. As for gutting the whole coaching staff, I strongly believe that Biscotti will have Harbs on the hot seat next year, and missing the play-offs will not be acceptable next year. You don't just fire a coach with Harb's pedigree after a couple of disappointing seasons, but he needs to turn things around quickly.