JoeyFlex5

on the topic of brees, ill be honest, he did not even cross my mind. i felt pretty stupid after seeing him go like 2 picks later, im still ok with my quinn pick though, you win in the trenches, defense wins championships, and pass rush is vital. im old school mayne

I think it is because he went at #17 last year after his 19 sack season and wasn't as good in 2014 as he was in 2013.  I didn't expect to see him move up in the draft.

well if he went 17th after the season he had then there must have been some huge reaches, kinda like im seeing now. some folks looking to just take whatever qb is there rather than get the true value

I loved the pick, i was going to take him at 10

sorry man but hey, i got robbed of joe by allblackraven 1 spot before me so i panicked. 

I could list maybe 7 defenders I'd take over him

if you wouldnt mind, id like to see that list, and jj watt is unavailable in this scenario.

i had my reservations about waller, and in the pre-draft process i wasnt a big fan because he appeared stiff in his film, but that little snap preview in that video... looks like i misjudged, this dude really does move well for his size, we could have ourselves a steal if he can move like that with the pads on and if he can grasp the learning curve

lot of hate for my robert quinn pick, is he not simply one of the overall best defenders in the entire league at possibly the most valued position on defense? surprised by the negs on that

with the 8th pick of the draft a franchise draft, the Joe Flex Zone selects, Robert Quinn, DE. 

I'd rather have that than someone who mopes around and then gives up a fourth consecutive touchdown because he doesn't believe in himself

i agree 100%, but more importantly id rather have someone who doesnt give up 3 touchdowns to begin with lol

people keep pointing out his confidence, idk though, he seems to play with a swagger that would suggest hes been good, he could give up 3 consecutive touchdowns and then make a nice tackle on the next snap and he would be fired up and flexing for the crowd thats booing him. 

i supported elam for 2 straight years but its just too hard to support him anymore, ill still hold out some blind faith, but i dont think its confidence, i think its just mental, he absolutely cannot seem to even come close to the learning curve, he has horrible tackling technique, he stutter steps before the hit and he hits way too high, doesnt wrap up, bad angle, bad discipline, he has good ball instincts and i appreciate that in the most desperate of moments he has a knack for going after the ball and he succeeds at that more than his overall performance would suggest, but he also fails in the most routine of "catch, tackle, get off the field" situations so often that he is nothing more than a HUGE liability on the field. i cant help but think how good a wr feels when hes got the ball in his hands and he sees that #26 as the last thing between him and the endzone, when elam's on the field he will be the offenses focus, get a YAC guy in the open field against elam, any offense that can succeed at that, will succeed on the scoreboard.

fowler being a former gator, probly makes it hurt just that much more jags fans. i hate seeing stuff like this happen.

camp is an excellent punt return option with his ball security, awareness, and quickness, but on kick returns im not sure about his top end speed. 

touchbacks all year?

"Marlon Brown came on strong _______________ and figures to have a larger role."

boy if i had a nickel for every time ive heard that and it failed.

Faulker (are you on the mudncleats message boards also?), I disagree with this assessment of weapons.

 

Boldin, Mason, Houshmanzadeh.  All the same WR, just different heights, just possession guys.  Considering Cam ran an Air Coryell offense, not having a deep receiver actually hurt Joe.  A strong armed, aggressive QB regulated to waiting forever for old, slow, receivers to run deep while also having a bad o-line.

 

Stallworth - used for more end arounds than actual deep plays.  When he did run a route, 50% were short routes.  Cam was out thinking himself.

 

Dickson/Pitta - had a combined 38 targets all season

 

This is definitely the best weapons Joe's ever had, if for no other reason than Trestman will actually use his players properly and will actually send his speed guy(s) deep as opposed to mainly using them for gimmick end arounds while sending the slow guys 30+ yards downfield

for tenacious faulker, this post pretty much summed up my thoughts. 3 aging possession receivers, an old as dirt TE, pitta long before he blossomed, dickson had always been stone hands, and stallworth was never worth a thing on any team, especially ours. all this on an offense that is based almost purely on winning 1on1 matchups vertically and catching comeback's(which wont succeed very much if you have no speed to threaten with) 

it was the safest offense we ever had, but it had so many shortcomings. our 2012 offense was lightyears ahead of 2010

avoiding injury bugs, this team is SB or bust, sure we have alot of rookies to depend on for a well rounded team, but i dont see a single rookie that should have a very difficult learning curve, perriman, williams, davis, and maybe allen(not sure about his patience in a zone stretch) are all natural system fits, they all have very good position coaches, and i just think they will all have solid rookie seasons. if our secondary finally stays healthy, and if we can avoid IR'ing 4+ players from a single position group then i think we are in legit contention for a SB. if monroe plays up to his contract, wagner shows minimal lingering effects from the injury, and if our secondary can come back and our starters can at least play to 80% of their capabilities without getting hurt, then i dont see how we arent one of the most dominant teams in the league. 

i am concerned with the pass rush though, i think we'll be top 10 in sacks, but nothing like last year. and if sizzle and doom both get hammered by father time in the same season, we could be in big trouble and we would be depending on whatever 3 down linemen are on the field to generate the pass rush, we have no depth to bring pass rush from exterior so if the starters arent bringing it, nobody is.

i would like to see waller make the active 53 pretty consistently this year. perriman, sss, camp, aiken, brown, and waller. like ive said before waller has his concerns about his agility and his breaks, but he is a whole tier above the majority of late round project H/W/S wr's due to his ability to actually turn and position himself, box out, climb the ladder, high point, and catch the ball with his hands, that is an ability that cant be coached, you either have it or you dont, and waller has it, and every other late round project wr who is 6'5" or taller seems to seriously lack that ability. waller has potential to be a bonafide #2 or 3, and there is no better way to develop him than to let him get the reps where we think he could be beneficial, if he can grasp the playbook i think he should see lots of time on run formations since he will be an elite blocker up the sidelines, and this would allow for some nice PA plays, and i think he should get a solid number of redzone snaps, but as i said only if he is putting in the work required and he understands the playbook. a year or 2 of letting him split time as a 3rd and 4th option situational guy will be enough to really get him the reps he needs to develop, and he is a guy that i could actually see becoming a legit wr, not many db's in this league can handle his post skills.

as everyone else said, too much distraction. plus i feel like the team may have lost some of that entertainment factor, i mean we had ray as a youngin, shannon sharpe, goose, mccrary, and billick when he was still his flamboyant aggressive self, that team had some real characters that made for great entertainment, and our team overall lacked the discipline and class that it has now, it just wouldnt have that same jazz from '01, the ravens seem like more of a brotherhood than any team in the league but it is strictly business at all times, except for team photos lol

did he sign a 1 day contract? or has he not filed yet and is waiting for the 1 day contract or something?

Agree, once you get Davis in our defense and he becomes more consistent,he will be extremely difficult to handle. 

i also think davis was the best pick of the draft, i had him somewhere in the top 10 of the 2nd round, thats somewhere before the 44th pick, we got him at 90, and he is such an incredibly perfect scheme fit, he has ridiculous size, he carries it well, i mean he can really for being such a mountain of a man, he can get in the backfield on pass plays and he can eat space in the run, he can penetrate, or he can just push the guy in front of him all the way back, he is just so freakishly strong and a surprising athlete. 

hes also playing with a major chip on his shoulder, the fire in his voice on that conference call is something you will NEVER hear from a rookie. he is going to dominate and i can feel it. i already want his jersey

he reminds me a bit of a young deangelo williams with his good combination of everything you need in a rb, good power and center of gravity, good quickness and elusiveness, good takeoff, jack of all trades kinda guy. 

now ill admit ive never watched actual film, just highlights, so i dont know him in depth. one thing that concerns me, is that in his highlights it seems USC was running alot of inside zone, i could be wrong, but the plays seemed to develop so fast that it was hard to really guage the schemes ran, but at first glance it looked like mostly inside zone. does anyone know about his vision and patience and how he would do in our zone stretch? his vision seems competent but idk about his patience, he appears to be real anxious to plant his foot and get upfield. if im wrong about this please tell me lol.

McCarron didn't start for Alabama until 2011 when Julio was in the NFL, Greg McElroy who was on the Jets for a couple years was the starter for Julio. McElroy also was one of the analysts for the NFLPA bowl this year

 

Disappointed in you Crush

really? hm, well i feel stupid. lol

just wanna point out, this is the 2nd williams on the ravens to wear 87

He was projected as player #15 before he fell

projected by the media and analysts though, thats very different than teams actual boards(apparently the ravens board was spot on though!) but obviously the rest of the top 25 teams didnt have him ranked that way. julio went 6th overall, playing at alabama and having aj mccarron throwing to you while taking bcs ships certainly helps any players stock, if perriman was in such an ideal position then he wouldnt have fell to 26th

The problem with this line of thinking is projecting a player like Dorsett, who ran almost all short routes and vertical routes in college to becoming an all around WR like Brown. That is a complete stretch. So the "if he becomes an elite route runner" is a pretty massive IF. Dorsett hasn't shown even a semblance of that ability in college, they really look nothing alike in terms of how they function on the field. Brown already had a crafty route-running ability when he was just getting started and it has only improved. 

 

It's almost as silly as the Steve Smith comparison for every small WR with good ability on punt returns.

just because his coaching staff was completely incompetent, doesnt mean that dorsett is. he shows an obvious natural stop and go ability and good shiftiness, the fact that he was limited due to terrible coordinating doesnt mean that he doesnt have the ability, because just watching him you can tell that he DOES have that ability. sure theres a mental aspect to picking up the route tree, but most wide receivers coming out of college have to deal with a learning curve.

Actually I totally agree on comparing prospects against players when they came out of college. That's a reason why Dorsett reminds me more of Brown than Hilton but I digress.

On the subject of Perriman and Johnson, that might be a good comparison but it's not one I can honestly make because I'm not really old enough and haven't followed the draft that closely when I was that young.

i said the same thing about dorsett, i thought the hilton comparisons was real basic, i see that comparison in the same light as the perriman-torrey debate. i see dorsett with a antonio brown ceiling and i think it really would not be that hard for him to reach that ceiling, i mean they look identical in terms of natural ability and if he has browns work ethic then thats what he will develop into

" Will drop the routine pass on occasion and body catches at times. Was able to consistently separate in college but still developing as a route-runner. Needs to do a better job setting up defenders and getting out of breaks. Willing to go over the middle but needs to show more consistency catching in traffic"

 

Julios draft profile

if perriman was coached by saban and had aj mccarron throwing to him like julio had, he wouldve been a top 15 pick, no doubt in my mind.

Yeah that's exactly how I feel as well. I don't see anyone with whom I can compare him. I see many qualities of many WR in him, both good and bad. I think he's just his own guy and he's not really comparable to anyone in the NFL at the moment.

i take the comparisons as "______ looks like ______ looked when he was coming out of college" not comparing to a nfl veteran, you just cant do that, especially with WR's because that is a position where players really evolve over time in major ways. i like to refer to the DT comparison but really i think someone who nailed it was michael irvin when he compared him to andre johnson coming out of college, he also had concerns with occasional drops and they are built almost identical and had the same route concerns coming out, they showed the ability but lacked the refinement. 

You know what I think about 40 times. I couldn't tell you Torrey's and I can only guess Perriman's because I think someone brought it up in one of the threads. But in terms of just running 50 yards down the field (which is what I mean by top-end speed: having a bit of time to build to your peak speed) I feel like we're getting a downgrade from Torrey. For all his faults, he's as good as anyone in the league at simply putting on the burners. I could be wrong though, and I'll admit that's a problem with the eye test.

 

I don't mean to say Perriman's slow either: I'd be surprised if we don't get some good returns out of deep plays (just that I think Torrey's quicker at the deep stuff) and in terms of short- and middle-distance plays the mismatches are absolutely there. The only difference is that Perriman's bigger so he should be harder to cover in a lot of actual NFL plays than Torrey was.

torrey ran a 4.42 i believe, and i think he had some "unofficial" 40 times at the combine in the 4.35-36 area as well. 

40 times tend to be less accurate at pro days but perriman did not perform at the combine and he consistently was running in the mid 4.2 range, for context, jacoby jones ran a 4.5 at the combine, so even if the pro day times were .05 off everytime, he is still running a whole tenth of a second faster than jacoby jones. 

and i think the speed is very apparent on tape, he just plays a more well rounded game than torrey and he gears up and down to his advantage and is changing direction more often than a typical straight line burner, while torrey ever since college just steps on the gas and goes, that may be whats making you think torrey is faster. next time youre watching perriman, see how lethal he is when he gets the ball in his hands and he gears up, he almost always pulls away in dramatic fashion