JoeyFlex5

with the third pick, the chicago bears select: 

Malik Hooker, S, OSU. 

(rumor has it theyre dead set on a db and they like both safeties over lattimore)

3 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

@JoeyFlex5

 

 

Hear iz ur bwoard Jo! Xactly wonhundread playas. 

1. Jayk Butt

2. Jayk Butt

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100. Jayk Butt

Vary comprehensuv fren, do me a heckin impress 

Abandon the inside zone, it doesn't work unless your line has a very specific skill set. 

Use the damn speed we have on offense. Our qb has probably the 2nd strongest cannon in the league, no need to emphasize hitting fast guys in stride on crossing routes when our receivers can get downfield in a hurry and our qb can get it there with a flick of the wrist 

just take pitta off the field so joe can't default to him all the time 

use pre snap motions for once

23 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Hes incredible in space. I think ive said this before, but i worry just a little bit about his use in our offense... but Marty did do a good job with a somewhat similar player in Westbrook. Not really all that similar but some similar traits. Samuel much less a back of course with a load more potential in the slot as a true wr that can run routes.

I think he'll make plays within a base offense, but i think to maximize him - hes a guy you have to have a plan for and scheme him some opportunities in space, or set up some mismatches for him to exploit. I dont think thats impossible, but i dont have as much faith in us doing so as effectively as i would, say the Pats, Saints, Eagles, GB, Mia, etc.. 

Not to mention the little bit of a question id have with Joe hitting such a small, quick target consistently enough not to waste his targets. While you can hand him the ball, youre not gonna do that more than maybe 3-4 times a game. A bulk is going to be designed dump offs, screens, wheels, slants, etc.. 

 

But i dont think anyone is sleeping on him. Pretty sure most recognize the match up nightmare he could become and the diverse skill set he brings. I think its just a matter of fit and finding the team thats willing to commit building him into their offense, and not trying to squeeze him into a role that already exists in their offense.

I would hope that if we made a move for a guy like him that our coaches are smart enough to just get the boy the damn ball lol. I don't exactly have faith in that either but I like to think we can. 

We all know joe plays less shaky when he has a reliable dump target and he doesn't feel like he has to force throws constantly, I think Samuel would be lethal in a short range route tree, and joe would get real comfortable with him, and then you always sprinkle in the deep routes and the outlet routes where he just chills in the flats or the hash marks threatening the defense like we used to do with ray rice. 

It makes sense to worry about our coaches using him right, but designed dumpoffs have always been something we use a lot of, and giving joe a true wr who also plays rb could get us back to those big gainers on broken plays.

I've somewhat grown on taco, but cautiously. his upside is tremendous, I love how fast he closes in on the ball at his size, but he lacks the disengaging skills I'd like to see from a big long edge rusher. 

We might not like taco as a rookie, but don't get it twisted he can be special if he takes well to coaching and learns some disengagement.

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm thinking early 2nd.

Could be the 4th WR or 4th RB off the board depending on how you classify him.

I could see Philly as a real good spot for him in the 2nd... 

Damn. He's a guy I was hoping would slip through the cracks due to being a tweener. Id love to have him in the third. Was watching some film on elflein and kept catching myself looking away to follow Samuel, he just looks so dangerous the way he moves, so fast and fluid and explosive and agile

So does anyone have the slightest idea on Curtis samuels stock? Because I think he could be really special 

8 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I'd support cam robinson IF we are trading back and get another 2nd rounder for it and IF he's at guard.

 

As a tackle he has too many question marks IMHO.

Agreed. I'd also like to see us address center otherwise cam would be a complementary player being used to mask a weak spot

11 minutes ago, Maryland said:

There seem to be several users on this forum high on Elflein, which surprises me a bit because other forums I use are less-high on him, putting him even with or below Pocic

The tape don't lie though man. Elflein will be a machine in a power and gap scheme. He gets so much push and is a stonewall in pass pro and even moves well in the second level. 

One knock I have on him is he struggles from time to time anticipating the delayed blitz, I've seen him miss a few of those.

14 minutes ago, Edgar said:

What has you guys so convinced about him( Bowser) that early in round two?

 

Strong tape showing good traits. 

Great first step, relentless pursuit and motor, very good hand usage with room to grow, violent style, decisive, good disengage in a variety of ways, closes in on the ball very well, good size and athleticism, good ball vision and awareness. 

Only knock I've seen myself is his tendency to play high and a little reckless. He needs to play lower and more flexible and keep himself tighter to the pocket, sometimes he plays too fast and loses himself and he ends up relying on his motor. 

5 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well thats kind of the point of doing the mock... to role play and imagine who the teams before you are going to take to see if the guy you want will be there; and see who might realistically be there.

Its all well and good to say "I want Malik Hooker!!!" But without projecting who you think will be taken and where you cant really evaluate how far you'd have to move up, and who might be on the board at 16. If Hookers your favorite but you think he's going to go 5th overall which would cost a boatload to move up for, but you think another player who you have rated just slightly below him will be there at 16 -- why would you give it all up? Or, mocking the other teams may make you realize that no one worth while might be there at 16, so maybe i should consider trading up to get my guy. 

Just saying -- here's who i predict the Ravens take, without the context of who the other teams are taking makes it a little hard to understand. And a mock draft isnt about who you want the Ravens to take -- its about what you think will happen. Sometimes the two things come together and thats great... but a lot of the time they dont.

 

Btw, players selected 16th overall -- Taylor Decker, Melvin Gordon, Zack Martin, Ryan Kerrigan, Derrick Morgan, DRC, Shawn Andrews, Troy Polamalu, Jevon Kearse, Hugh Douglas, Jerry Rice.

15th overall -- Corey Coleman, Ryan Shazier, Bruce Irvin, Mike Pouncey, Jason Pierre-Paul, Brian Cushing, Brandon Albert, Lawrence Timmons, Derrick Johnson, Albert Haynesworth

17th overall -- Keanu Neal, Arik Armstead, CJ Mosley, Dre Kirkpatrick, Nate Solder, MIke Iupati, Chad Greenway, Steve Hutchinson, Sebastian Janikowski, Damien Woody, Emmitt Smith, 

14th - Star Lotulelei, Karl Joseph, Devante Parker, Kyle Fuller, Darrell Revis, Robert Quinn, Earl Thomas, Malcolm Jenkins, Thomas Davis, Eddie George, Jim Kelly

18th - Ryan Kelly, Marcus Peters, Melvin Ingram, Maurkice Pouncey, Robert Ayers, Joe Flacco, Leon Hall, Will Smith, Calvin Pace, Willie Gault, Art Monk

 

And that's just recent history with a few real stand outs going back to as early as 1980.

Plenty of very good players and difference making talents right in this range. And with Ozzie, historically any pick in this range or higher has been money. Boller at 19 is the only real blemish on the record.... otherwise hes landed difference making talent with pretty much every pick higher than 20.

Plus boller wasn't really Ozzies pick. That was billick pounding the table

I like it except for the fact that I think Steve would fire Ozzie on the spot if he passed on Barnett. 

Also just wondering, where did you see hand usage from takk? I don't like him as a first rounder but at 47 he would be a massive steal, but one thing I don't see from takk is hand usage or a multitude of moves. His sacks mostly come from bullrushing until he creates space and then just slipping inside. His biggest weakness is his inability to disengage, he just tangles up with blockers and latches on and does nothing to break free

23 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Bowser is one of my two prospect crushes this year, so obviously I'd be on board.

He could stand to play lower and more controlled, but he's definitely got some in coachable traits, his blend of hand usage, burst, and relentless motor are very appealing. 

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Per Zrebiec's recent article

"It sounds like the Ravens are pretty high on Houston’s Tyus Bowser and Kansas State’s Jordan Willis."

If bowser is there at 47 I'd consider him a huge dark horse for our pick. I don't see Willis being there though. I hope we don't touch him at all in the first, even if we get a big trade back

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

I see another Michael Bennett with him, think a team will be really happy to get him and move him along the line

He's definitely gonna need to move imo. If a DC can focus the game plan around him every week then it could be a highly effective front, he creates mismatches and penetration all over the place, but one thing I just don't expect him to do is edge rush effectively, he lacks the bend and flexibility. He's explosive, great closing speed, he shoves and rips and knifes gaps extremely well, but I simply don't see a skillset that would allow him to play the edge on passing down consistently 

Ya know, the more I think about how much we can vastly improve our line, the more attractive the idea becomes.

while I would be ok with cam at 16, I still think it leaves a major hole and doesn't address the real need, center. 

And I also believe that with a hefty trade back we could land one of lamp or cam, and if we can nab a late second that lets us essentially guarantee pat elflein. And still get a sexier pick at 47. A draft starting out with cam in the late 20s, a Tim williams/carl Lawson/Derek rivers/Malik McDowell/Quincy Wilson at 47, and pat elflein in the late second would be amazing. That would give us a starting OL of Stanley-cam-elflein-yanda-Lewis or swap Lewis and cam. Our run game would be instantly revitalized with a wrecking ball at center and another beast of a road grader at either RT or LG. Our line would be up there with Oakland and Cleveland with a haul like that and by the time Dixon returns we would be looking at one of the leagues best rushing attacks. 

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I agree not ideal but Osemele was a good drive blocker. If he gets stronger he can be at least a turn you off line kind of player. Harbaugh said he is getting stronger and growing into his frame  so we'll see

Turn and shield blockers are ideal for inside zone but it just doesn't work well in a man/power scheme

7 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I agree. I actually believe with coaching and smoothing out his bad habits he could be a really good left tackle eventually. But with Stanley on left tackle Cam would be our all pro mauling Right Tackle. Bisnowaty could maybe play center. Ravens would have a smashing line. I do believe Lewis will get stronger and be a top shelf guard. Ravens could enter season

Stanley Lewis Bisnowaty Yanda Robinson. 

Its not Lewis strength that concerns me, it's his high center of gravity. Don't know if he can ever be a powerful drive blocker for a man scheme. I would fully prefer cam at LG than RT

A lot of people hate the thought of cam as the pick, but try to imagine what that does... 

if cam pans out as a RT, then we would have possibly the most powerful drive blocking RT in the league. If Alex Lewis becomes RT and cam goes to LG, he is another KO type of guy, a ferocious mauler who annihilates guys off the line. 

Say john urschel is at least an average center, being sandwiched between cam and yanda makes a nasty interior and hides his deficiencies. 

Then when yanda retires in a few years we have a replacement beast of a mauling lineman.

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Yes yes I know, it was my original message.

I need to see more of Barkley but I don't know if he has the power. He is certainly elusive and has that breakaway speed though! 

Also Ronald Jones looks too much like Jamaal Charles.

What's wrong with looking like jamaal Charles? He's without question one of the elite backs of this generation who unfortunately suffered a lot of injuries 

42 minutes ago, Edgar said:

"If Humphrey doesn't start by year three, no harm no foul "..... This is ridiculous. You can't possibly believe that.

If we draft any position at 16 and he doesn't start for three years, we made a mistake. Period.

He would still play a role and having starting caliber cbs on the roster simply means he has time to develop... 

45 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Jimmy took two years to begin to work out these concerns.....he was better than Humphrey coming out and went late 1st.

 

Jimmy was stuck to one scheme as much as Humphrey seems to be. Jimmy was a press man corner and Humphrey is a off zone kinda guy, but both coming out with the same exact issues. If not for nagging injuries then jimmy probably would've been killing it by year 2. He finished his second season by literally making every play on the SB goal line stand. I don't think it's fair to say that because it took him time to catch on that he wasn't a good pick, it's pretty obvious that he's been one of the best picks in the harbaugh era. Also if Humphrey takes a year or so to catch on, that's fine. We have a starting cb group and a starting safety tandem plus depth, if Humphrey doesn't become a starter til year 3 it's no harm no foul because we have 3 starting corners already

39 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Like he said in the article and uve heard you refer to this before is the fact that Thomas never really played the edge much at Stanford. He rarely got opportunities yet his traits say he could play on the edge. Maybe more 4-3 DE than a linebacker but i just think the consensus opinion about his being a 3tech is how well he looked at Stanford in that position. 

I just don't see the skillset though, if he's playing 43de in base and sliding to 3T on passing downs then I could see it, but that's not really an edge guy imo, to me an edge guy is a guy who's gonna be rushing the qb off the edge, like I think Malik McDowell is a DE in a base package but slides inside on passing downs, nobodies calling him an edge player

I think we like Corey Davis, I'm calling decostas bluff 

12 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Jimmy smith was drafted 27th overall. This is about the range I would take Humphrey.

 

 

Jimmy smith was easily top 16 had he not gotten arrested with weed and gotten a dui