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5 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

God I hope this isn't a smokescreen 

It isn't. We'll have full intentions of taking Davis but the colts will take him for absolutely no reason at all because WRs are all that matters in Indy. 

It will be like watching a rich person win the lottery that many poor people bought tickets for. It will be like watching a redskins fan go to a ravens steelers game when you couldn't afford tickets. Like y u do dis to me. 

My bold statement for the night. Ravens will say "no need to trade up, our guy is there and there is no way the colts take him because they have enough WRs... and our plan fails

5 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

This has gotta be a smokescreen

Potentially seeking a trade partner to a new messageboard.

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

ill say ill be guilty of it if the pick is taco charlton - i of course will eventually be able to turn myself onto it but it might take longer than usual in some cases - it of course all depends on who's left on the board when we pick

I actually would be on board. Not rooting for taco at 16, but if he's the pick I'm on board. I can see his potential pretty easily, guys that big shouldn't have such a quick first step and closing speed

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Thats why i do.

I usually give myself a minute or 2 to be upset; curse a few times and blow off some steam....

But then i let my better judgement prevail and decide that if the professionals felt that was the better pick then ill trust it until proven otherwise. The reality is even with all the info in the world and the best personnel evaluators on your team -- the draft is still largely a crap shot, a lottery of sorts. You get a few tickets, earlier ones have bigger jackpots and much higher percentage of at least winning some money.... but they all still bust at a more than 50% ratio.
 

Id rather get on board, be optimistic and root for our pick to succeed than hold on to some silly notion that im better at picking prospects than our team... or some grudge just in the hopes that in 3 years our pick will fail, the team will be worse just so i can say "I told ya so"

though it seems theres quite a few around here who prefer to do the latter

No matter how bad I might hate a pick I'll always take the good and run with it. Didn't like that we took Mosley over HHCD but I had been a huge Mosley fan since his first year and knew how good he was. I didn't like taking perriman over jones and Malcom brown but I looked at the spectacular catches he's made and tried my hardest to disregard the drops and now I'm a huge perriman fan. Wasn't big on the correa pick but I also began to think as the draft got closer that spence was overrated and it's possible he's already maxed his potential and correa hasn't even begun to see his. 

If we take cam Robinson over Corey Davis or some others, I'll be pissed, but I'll understand how much of a boost he can bring out run game if he's allowed to play guard.

10 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

This is meant to be a rumour mill. All i see is prospect discussion. Have any rumours been posted the past 8 pages?

Reliable sources report that purplehorseman may be Winchester and it's been confirmed that neither are fans of Barnett 

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Here's another one.

Let's say Fournette, Barnett, Hooker and Williams are there.

Who you taking?

 

 

(And suggestion for this thread -- make it about anyone suggesting their own personal "Who ya taking" scenarios for ongoing discussion... not to hi jack OP though)

That's impossible. I'd really wanna nail the pick so I'd be scared to take a risky guy, which makes fournette and Barnett attractive, but I think hooker is a top 5 talent despite the injury and lack of experience 

I'll post where I want because there's no rules where there is no future. 

Follow me to the dark side posters, make a new thread for every comment you have! No comments, all OPs!

29 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

Not a lot of people want to hear this, but if we have any shot of having just an average O line, I think the first pick needs to be OL. 

There are basically no starting material players past round 1. After round 1, they will be developmental and probably not ready to start.

Dion dawkins, dan feeney, pat elflein, Taylor moton, bisnowaty, Erik magnuson, Ethan pocic, these guys could all be very solid starters

35 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I was starting to think I was alone in this train of thought.

 

Should we draft Alpha Males and players with fast twitch muscle?

Whatever your all fat losers you gang up on me probably becuz your jealous of my 2% body fat with twitch lean muscle and my smokin hot model gf you losers probably don't even have gfs becuz your all to fat and ugly losers hahahahaxdxdxdxd

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Dude come on now. We're talking world class athletes. He isn't getting that low that a tackle can't get his hands on him. NFL tackles have stronger hands. Barnett's hand usage isn't going to mean jack. The holding happens when an edge rusher gets by him so fast while low. NFL tackles will mirror him and get their hands on him.

No dude you come on now lol. Why are you acting like it isn't totally blatant on film that he dips so low that tackles can't get a hand on him. It's so easy to see for everyone but you apparently. And he's done this against first and second round NFL tackles, big conference guys

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

What does a LT's 3 cone have anything to do with it? Tackles dont rush the edge.

But how your run a 3 cone is almost identical to and edge rusher getting around the edge. Its not about flat out speed but economical footwork, getting low and bending the 2 edges, and then coming out of that bend and exploding for a short distance (to a QB). 

It absolutely had bearing on an edge rushers athleticism for a position. All sports science now is moving toward athletes performing the actual movements they will need to perform in games.... i.e. not doing 100 yd sprints to develop speed, if all you do is a series of 5 yd explosions. Do the 5 yd explosions over and over again at 100% effort and develop the most economical movements.

 

That 3 cone time shows me that Barnett has far more developed and efficient movement. He is plenty athletic at the motions a pass rusher uses. Who the hell cares how fast he can run in straight line in underwear? I care how quickly he can bend an edge and hit a QB with pads on. Which he does PLENTY fast.

Plus you keep bringing up the hands thing, but your knock is theyll get their hands on him bc hes slower off the line and getting around the edge. Hes not. He times the snap incredibly well and wastes no movement. That combined with how low he gets, how great he is at hand fighting, and how he reduces the strike zone will make it tougher to get hands on Barnett than almost any other prospect.

Couple that with how quickly and economically he turns the corner, and reduces to distance he has to cover -- in reality, i.e. playing the game through the actual motion these guys will need to do, Barnett is just as quick as most of them.

Seems @PurpleHorseman puts too much stock in the explosion category and not enough stock in the raw skill and relative motion category 

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

You are correct but it begins with the getoff cuz you can not allow NFL tackles to get their hands on you. Even the chumps are masters at locking rushers up. 

But they can't get their hands on you if you are too low for them, if tackles are forced to wrap around the rushers shoulder and neck area then it's a hold, keeping the chest squared up opens up an opportunity for a clean block, or even just a staggering punch to knock a speed rusher too deep. But the hand fighting keeps the blocker from engaging, and the bend keeps the blocker from making any kind of play, you just really seem to underrate the power of a great bending edge rusher

Tough call. Howard is such a dynamic beast but he's far less proven. What he brings as a run blocker is a very underrated part of his game, he's like another OT out there and coaches wouldn't be able to take him off the field. He's proven to turn dump offs into huge plays, he hasn't had much opportunity to make those jimmy graham style catches but I'll be surprised if he isn't able to, and he runs solid routes in the few times he's gotten the chance. 

But we need a wr and one of mike wills type... I think I'd have to go with him just because of our investment at TE and the hole at wr. I'm a bpa guy but it's hard to address the same position over and over without seeing what we've got there

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Doesn't have to get below his shoulders. NFL tackles have stronger hands to control. If that were true Von miller would have over 30 sacks a year. But he is stunted to when the Tackle get his hands on him. Take his getoff away and he isn't the same edge rusher by far

Von miller is a totally different monster. He wins with his get off and speed around the edge, he has developed nicely as far as hands go, but this is apples and oranges. Barnett is stronger and has better and more violent hand usage than von miller has a 6 year veteran(I think 6 years is right). You can rush the passer in multiple ways, there is a lot more to it than a quick get off.

11 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

yea how funny would that be - we dont take Cam Robinson in the 1st and go for someone everyone around here loves...

and then in 3 years Cam is the most dominant RT or OG in the league and an All Pro and the guy we drafted is a bust or constantly injured.

Nightmares of Courtney upshaw over Alston Jeffrey and Cordy Glenn *shudders* 

except we didn't really want upshaw. Who did we pass on for Arthur brown?

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

There are 7 edge rushers I would take before Barnett. His getoff looks like he is wearing lead shoes. He plays hard and He can bend pretty well. However if any edge rusher allows the bigger tackle reaction time to get his hands on him. Then he is going to have a hard time getting to QB.

All the reaction time in the world means nothing if the tackle can't get his hips lower than the edge rushers shoulders. That's how Barnett has consistently made his burst a non factor, he throws a swipe and keeps his chest clean and then dips his shoulders to the tackles hip level making him untouchable. Low man wins right? Barnett proves that. A tackle can't block a guy who he can't lay a good set of hands on.

15 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I don't think he goes quite that high, but I don't see him falling out of the top ten.

Based on rumors and all, but of course those are just rumors. Rb isn't what it used to be 5-8 years ago, teams want that workhorse again. I guess the pats getting back to running the ball changed everyone's minds. 

Me

jk. Probably mayock. I used to respect Charlie Campbell but he went off the rails this year with the ravens so I'm not riding with him anymore... Robinson and wormley 1 and 2, please no.

1 minute ago, Static said:

Fournette Falls close or at our pick.

 

I dont know if Ozzie likes him though.

If fournette falls anywhere close to 14 Ozzie is ringing phones off the hook because either philly or Indy would be certain to snatch him up. 

Not happening though, I don't see fournette falling past SF and jax

7 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

My dream draft pick. But deep down I know he won't be there. And it will make me punch my wall tomorrow night I already know.

I wouldn't say all that, I think he's actually got a huge shot to be available, unlikely st this point but far from impossible. I'd say he's as likely to be there as Corey Davis. 

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Corey Davis all the way if Available. If he gets by every fan will be so upset by his rookie season!! Reddick a touch overrated at this juncture. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be to angry if we picked him. But a touch overrated so far. Not the thumper with instincts that Foster is. Not an elite edge rusher. He is somewhat a project edge rusher and ilb. May not be ready week1

you may be missing something regarding reddick... he has potentially the best film of any defender in the class. 

the only knock on this kid is weight. as far as what he actually has shown on the field, i dont know if any single player has been more impressive in this class. other guys may top him on measurables, but reddick simply jumps off film more than anyone in the class.

36 minutes ago, Edgar said:

They are targeting Wormley. That's been my fear for weeks.

 

are you saying theyre targeting wormley? or that you fear that they are?

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

In a class with such poor oline depth, if hes good enough at 22 then hes good enough at 16

Taking into consideration guys who should be available still though, it becomes a different story

8 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Tennessee leaning toward Mike Williams with pick five according to Walter Football

Imo, they would be dumb to pass on OJ for him. I love mike Williams but as great of a run blocker oj Howard is and how great of a security blanket he's been, he would fit that power run offense so beautifully and be a hell of an outlet for mariota. You can have average receivers with a TE and run game of that caliber

9 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

DV all u want but if ravens draft a WR b4 him and he is awesome and keeps out of trouble. It will not be a legit excuse if offense struggles and finish 8-8 or 7-9.  Can't say well we couldn't draft this all pro or that all pro. If we draft a receiver that sucks and he is great and keeps out of trouble there will be no excuses when offense fails

But you gotta gauge the risk. If a guy is a known woman beater, and you have a major history in that regard on your team, you just can't. There is a thing called press, and the ravens don't want to be known to condone domestic violence by employing players convicted of it. After trying to cover up the ray rice scandal they can't afford to do this. And they shouldn't. Guys who do this really don't deserve the chance of a lifetime to make millions playing a game. 

For other teams, you decide whether or not it's worth the risk. Doesn't matter if he's an all pro for his first 2 years if he decides to beat up his girlfriend and get put out of the league after. It's like if doctors tell a team that Jonathan Allen won't finish out a rookie contract and could often be inhibited by his arthritis in his shoulder, you don't draft the guy top 5 on the chance that the doctors are wrong, you gauge the risk vs reward and decide if you can afford to miss on that pick when he sits 6 games a year for 4 seasons and then retires. When that happens you can't throw your hands up and act surprised, it was a dumb pick because you knew it would happen. Same applies to bonehead repeat offending woman beaters