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12 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

No, he plays far faster than his timed speed. He said in his interview he lost some weight and plays at about 205lbs and said he feels so much faster. I'm I remember correctly he was hobbling when he ran that bad 40 time. He is very fluid, has instincts and can find the football while making very athletic adjustments. He should challenge the top free safety's in the league.

I like Arizona's coach. However I don't think he realized everything Jefferson could do. When a player is undrafted he really has to prove himself every step along. He was already fast enough but if he did get faster he may be a better free safety. He can do it all!! Cover tackle, top shelf instincts, play shallow and long when he has the opportunity. His best play is yet to come. He was thought of as a round1 player until combine.

Good info, I honestly didn't know anything about Jefferson until this year and even then I knew nothing of his background until the FA talk heated up

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't want to go too far off topic here but I'd disagree that "Jefferson absolutely cannot play FS". He definitely can 

Doesn't he lack the prerequisite speed by quite a bit?

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I completely agree. Bowser has to show the toughness and physicality to not back down when punched in the face in the NFL. As in fight through blocks and get back up after being blocked by a guard. Humphrey could very well be a bust as a cornerback. But I think he will be very good as a strong safety. Problem is there is no opening at safety with a tandem of some of the best in the league. Once Weddle shows his age he could play SS while Jefferson plays free safety. With Tim Williams Mosley Jefferson Young and Humphrey the defense could be hitting stride again. On its way back to the ravens defense

Jefferson absolutely cannot play FS. He does not have that skill set. Weddle is more than likely gone or at least onto a team friendly deal where he won't be expected to start. 

10 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

to be honest i think only 2 of them need to pan out for this draft to have a major longterm impact on our defense but in all likelihood i expect to have at least 3 of these top 4 guys to work out in some fashion

im really excited about the way this team is set up for the future

If those 2 are tim Williams and marlon Humphrey then I agree. But say if wormley and bowser are the only 2 that pan out, then we aren't getting much pass rush or a great cover corner.

Of the first 4 picks I'd say bowser has the highest bust potential, but I think this is the draft we have wanted for so long, because even though bowser is extremely raw he's also an incredibly gifted football player, his natural awareness sets him apart from others and his motor and athleticism complements the awareness very well. He may never become a good pass rusher, but if you told me bowser wasn't gonna become a very good off the ball linebacker I wouldn't believe it. Meanwhile wormley and williams are almost guarantees to be productive in their respective roles, and Humphrey has bust potential as well but on the right defense he probably will at the very least bring good production to the table with broken up short passes and blown up screens consistently. I think at the very worst, 3 of our first 4 picks pan out to either be starters or huge impact rotational guys. Wormley is probably a day one starter and highly productive, t will could realistically hit 8 sacks as a DPR and the best edge rusher on the team, and one of bowser or Humphrey HAS to pan out, i won't give either of them a 100% chance to be successful but I think both of them still have a very good chance. 

This could be the draft class that turns us around. I've never felt so sure about a draft class being successful

Me after reading this fire af thread

1 hour ago, polynesian15 said:

One word: Camp! Another word tho: health! 

He's got a true injury bug. He doesn't have multiple freak injuries, he just has one small nagging injury after another. He just isn't built for this

4 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

yep

Seems most of us are headed there

Just now, allblackraven said:

I wish few of you guys are moving over to the new board, wherever we end up. Can't go back through archives any longer, you'll have to start explaining everything from scratch!

Referring to bolds board? 

4 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Lmao, same, tbh. And ya know, I still can't make sense of inside zone  

Oh how I wish quality, intellectual discussion (as intellectual as football can get) was rewarded and not killed. 

Well inside zone doesn't make much sense to begin with. But I think it was you about 2 years ago helped me understand how the linemen play side stepped together to shield off sections of the line.. I still find it a really stupid concept but at least I have a grasp on it lol

I wanna second that @BmoreBird22 schooled me up on coverage big time, a few years ago I couldn't even point out a cb being effective in zone and barely understood the concept of off-man, like if you're playing man why would you give separation from the very snap of the ball? Lol. 

And @The Raven helped me grasp inside zone because i couldn't make any sense of it myself, I thought it looked just like a gap scheme on film and couldn't tell them apart. 

If it wasn't for these forums I wouldn't know any more than the fans they interview on wjz after the game... and if you've ever seen that, you'd know that's a good thing lol 

and thanks for the shoutout @rossihunter2 

also, with the likelihood of us taking a bama player high every draft, @allblackraven could be the resident Alabama expert. But then again he has an obvious bias😂😂😂

52 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

no way the titans get rid of tajae sharpe, jordan matthews isn't coming to baltimore, why would we want quinton patton or rashad greene or justin hardy?

which leaves marquise lee who isnt really an upgrade on anything we have on our offense - and im not sure why the jags would want to get rid of a receiver who finally broke out last year - they have allen robinson and hurns, westbrook is a wild card and there are no guarantees he's a good player but it took the falcons more than 3 receivers last year to be a successful offense why would the jags wilfully get rid of marquise lee?

I would take Justin hardy in a heartbeat. I was shocked to find out he was only 5'10" because he looked like he was playing at 6'2" on film the way he was catching in coverage. 

He was a good prospect coming out, really wasn't much to dislike about his tape. As a slot receiver for us he would get force fed the ball and get this... he would actually catch it lol. He's got great hands and I haven't seen him in the pros but he was a nifty route runner at ECU. He would probably be the third best receiver on the ravens, which is more an indictment on the ravens than anything, but an upgrade is an upgrade. 

7 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Oh I've seen it. I just don't consider myself knowledgable enough to opine on a backer's coverage ability. Corners, maybe, but definitely not backers or safeties. I know sort of what to look for in a corner. Not so much with a backer or a safety.

oh ok, sounded like you havent seen for yourself lol. i dont expect a whole lot from a LB in man coverage personally, and bowser has limited film so i havent seen much of man from him, but zone drops are where a LB makes his money in coverage. if they are cutting off throwing lanes by stepping in front of targets consistently, then youre seeing good LB coverage, if they break on throws in front of them and are able to eliminate any chance of YAC or jar the ball loose consistently, thats good lb coverage, breaking on screens before the qb even gets the ball out, etc. 

LB coverage is more subtle but its really just about awareness. if they are running around pissing off the qb and making him pull the ball down, then theyre doing good lol

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

If we're being technical, power is in the gap blocking category. Power isn't really a scheme. It's a play, or a small handful of plays, in the gap family. The phrase "power blocking" is kind of a misnomer that's applied to gap schemes because it sounds sexier.

but not all gap scheme teams have the OL to pull off a power heavy scheme. when a team has the horses to run power plays, they tend to run them a lot more than a typical gap team with an average OL. the old jim harbaugh 49ers and the early rex ryan jets had the horses to run power schemes and they ran a hell of a lot of them, as opposed to, say, the early cam cameron ravens, when yanda was still bouncing between RT and LG and hadnt really began flourishing yet, and we had just moved on from jason brown and matt birk was struggling with injuries for a few years, we ran a lot of lead plays with a FB, but up front we stuck with a more basic gap concept. 

so my original statement still stands... power emphasizes pulls and leads more. sure, both gap concepts, but if you have the talent to run traps leads and pulls at a high and successful rate, then you likely will, because it creates a pretty successful running game compared to a vanilla gap playbook.

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

I've read that he's considered by some to be the top coverage backer in the draft class.

Have you seen his film? He is great in coverage. Watch his Louisville film. He makes the heisman qb pull the ball down and scramble so many times it's insane. He was constantly eliminating the early reads on his zone drops, he cut off throwing lanes to basically anything his side of the field within 10 yards, Jackson was able to thread the needle on ONE pass in his area, but it was a zone-man concept where bowser was picking up the slot receiver and the cb failed to cover his man in the same area, and guess who made the tackle downfield... 

bowser has a lot of work as a pass rusher and run defender, he struggles pretty greatly in those areas, but he shows natural pass rush traits that just need lots of refinement. But he is very special in coverage, he's gonna make a name in this league by getting int's. On this defense, where the qbs are gonna be forced to throw in tight windows in a hurry, they're gonna be throwing in his area often, and he disguises his intentions well, so he's gonna appear where a lot of qbs won't expect him to be on hot reads. 

Hes gonna be fun, but he is likely gonna frustrate us in run D and pass rush early on.

41 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think it's either lack of passion for the game or not football smart or both

He looked like he didn't care when he played at KSt. He had no fire at all. I thought he was just one of those business only types. The fact that he just didn't care about football was really disappointing 

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

Gap and power go hand in hand if you ask me. Same basic principles apply to both.

That is my concern with him. Not the best at locking on in space. Not sure why either since his combine numbers are good. Maybe it's just crappy footwork. He does have a tendency to lunge and reach, in line and on the move. Both are bad traits but are correctable.

power has a lot more emphasis on pulls and leads. 

2 minutes ago, Adreme said:

Why do people say the Ravens need a Center?  If the Ravens didn't think they already have an upgrade on the roster they would not have traded Zuttah.  It's not like they had no choice but to trade him.  The cap gains were negligible so the only reason is they think they already have someone better.

I just don't see that guy though. We once thought we had our future starting center in house... once... 

11 minutes ago, Admin 3 said:

Our plan is still for this Friday to be the last day of the boards.

(Commenting on the site's news articles will continue however.)

Not that you know the answer to this or anything... 

but if the boards are considered to be riddled with trolls and poor conversation, then why allow the absolute worst part of the boards to continue running? 

The news article comment sections are worse than world chat on a world of Warcraft private server. They're pure cancer

3 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

The steelers are not handing us anyone. Regardless of what we pay. And as far as Bryant, I wouldn't give anything more than a 7th for him. If I had to bet money, I'd say he fails another drug test because he can't stay away from weeeeeeeeed!!!

40 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Davis can be a rotational run stopper, Z Smith is a poor mans JJ

Davis is a rotational injury bug, z smith is a poor mans poor man.

14 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

welcom to the club. sayed before you canna draff a secondary playa wiffout hands. but even more important is quick smarts recover an recognitshon things u canna teach.  pees beemed ovah humpf an its gonna be ammusin to watch how pees reacts to his awfal progres. bottum line on talant abov the neck we done draffed cleats again u culd undastan takin a shot at say rd 6 but if agains all reasin u were goin D this draff to take this guy ovah say allen is to rediculas to think about.  funniar yet they rely thing they draffed jimmy smith again.  not even close no whares in the same ballpark.  gotta tell u I doan even thang humpf has elams lumba and that in an age where playmakas have passed hittars an r playmakas are nil

Quick smarts, recover, and recognitshon, as you so eloquently put it, are things Humphrey does very well though. He sits back, eyes on the receiver and qb, and diagnoses the whole field and reacts very quickly and accordingly, and secures the play. 

Inconsistent foot work on the hip-flip is not play recognition. Struggling to run downfield with your head turned around is not smarts(I wouldn't trust you to judge smarts anyway). 

And again, all things that jimmy smith struggled with immensely coming out, he was just better in press man than Humphrey while Humphrey is better in zone than jimmy was.

6 hours ago, 443hurricane said:

Where is everyone heading.. I haven't been on here due to job circumstances often the past few months. I definitely want to continue the discussions.

Baltimoreravens.boardhost.com

its a little empty right now because people are still posting here until the boards close, but a lot of users here are pre registered and are coming over when these finally shut down

5 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

Which got to be very difficult lately.

 

 

Maybe if you were a good and educated fan you would see that no, it hasn't been. Maybe if you lurk around the news section and LFW comments all you see is poo flinging and cancer spewing idiots who create an account just to post a rant or 2 and never return. 

However, the ravens talk, draft, and fantasy talk sections are absolutely superb and pretty much self moderated as of those 3, ravens talk is the only one that mods ever post in. This also happens to be where the most in depth and educated football talk occurs.

16 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

It wouldn't be half bad if it is Flacco.

I'll go with Alex Lewis shining as a right tackle.

If siragusa plays like he did against ed Oliver every week in the NFL, yanda is his old self, Lewis is a star RT, then urschel should do just fine at center if he eliminates his occasional bad snap. That would transform the OL in one offseason with almost no investment in it