JoeyFlex5

yea man i was low on the pick at first but after a while to sit on it, this is the most excited ive ever been about a pick. i dont think i have seen a wr more tailor-fit for our offensive style, his ceiling, well, there is none, and his floor is an elite deep threat, i really think we got a steal and this guy is gonna shock the world and make the naysayers scratch their heads and say "i thought he had bad hands?"

that is very true. although something gives me the feeling that dorsett was just their guy, just like agholor was clearly "the guy" for the eagles and perriman was "the guy" for us, guess well never know and im happy to never know

if we traded back? obviously not

qb-duh rb- forsett, buck, LT fb- juice wr1- SSS, aiken wr2- perriman, brown 5th wr- camp te- williams, gilmore lt- monroe, hurst lg- yanda, myers/urschel c- zuttah, urschel rg- ko, myers/urschel rt- wagner, hurst/yanda(if shuffling is needed) rolb- suggs, zd lolb- doom, upshaw wilb- smith, brown silb- mosley, smith(brown starting at wilb in case of mosley injury) re- jernigan, urban, klm nt- williams, davis le- canty, davis, klm cb1- jimmy, ajax cb2- webb, melvin cb3- ajax, walker fs- lewis, brooks ss- hill, elam, nickel- elam, brooks, walker kr- perriman pr- campanaro obviously the DL, and OLB corps and pretty much the whole secondary will be a revolving door of rotations for mismatch purposes, but this is about what i expect it to look like

you are just wrong, i mean so wrong. torrey smith got the nod as the #2 almost immediately and breshad perriman is miles ahead of where torrey was as a rookie. perriman is capable of much more than just nine routes and you would be killing his value by only sending him out occasionally to run a nine route. brown and aiken simply do not deserve the hype, brown came in under the radar and posted a few wide open td catches as a rookie and then fell off big time and people still latch onto him as our savior, aiken made a few plays late in the season and the same thing is happening. we didnt draft perriman in the first round to let some UDFA depth wr's play over him. if you think perriman is so raw that he wont even see the field except for spread sets then you should stop listening to the naysayers, we have had much worse wide receivers come in as starters and no wr on our team right now besides SSS is even near perrimans caliber, and yes i can confidently say that before even seeing him take an nfl snap

campanaro has a injury history dating all the way back to high school i believe. maybe its just college im not sure, but i THINK he has quite the long list of football injuries.

if that quote is true, then wow, im happy. haha

im sick of the comparison man. i understand making comparisons to current players, but at least make an accurate one. i truly think its because he is fast and has dreads so he automatically draws comparisons to torrey. i think the most accurate one ive seen is demaryius thomas, and i also think michael irvin made a good connection by comparing him to andre johnson, 3 guys with similar measurables across the board, all 3 had questions of raw route running coming out but showed the natural shiftiness to learn, all 3 had questions about the occasional drop(though AJ worked that out for sure) and all 3 could really attack that ball and make some circus catches. i think there is absolutely zero base for the torrey comparisons

i personally saw dorsett as a first round talent because i was able to look past the system he came from and i thought his potential was very obvious and alot of others just left it at "he only ran go routes in college so thats all he can do" but i certainly dont think dorsett has the ceiling of perriman, and i think that, along with height, may have been why perriman was ranked so high and dorsett was viewed as a 2nd. id be willing to bet though, that if we traded back, then dorsett wouldve been on our board as a coveted guy

i think they liked both and dorsett had to be in consideration, but like you said i think it came down to preference, although i do think it may be possible they saw dorsett as his original projection of 2nd round value

i dont think it had anything to do with them having a closer look, i just think for their board specifically they had perriman as a better fit, and i think even without any visits it would have been the same. flacco isnt the best timing qb and that is the type of offense that dorsett will shine in, perriman on the other hand is sort of an ideal target for flacco and our offense, we can get more out of perriman than possibly any other wr in the draft not named amari cooper.

i like ur enthusiasm but a mix between torrey and q is just not accurate at all lol. the most accurate comparison i have seen is demaryius thomas, i also understand michael irvins comparison of andre johnson, very similar styles of play and build, johnson too was considered raw coming out of college, with some refinement and practice on the jugs machine i think he will be every bit as good.

exactly how i felt, ive always liked torrey as a person but he messed up on that play, and it isnt the first time hes done it either. i think i can recall 2 times in his whole career where he was actually aggressive in going for the ball, the pre-halftime leap over champ bailey, and the 3rd td catch of his career when he climbed the ladder against the rams, aside from those 2 he has played every ball passively and allowed for turnovers and stalled drives that should have been touchdowns

that has always been my knock on torrey and it cost us dearly vs the patriots. it is simply a knock that nobody can have on perriman, that boy is AGGRESSIVE getting to that ball

breshad perriman was in consideration for early 2nd late 1st round all along, his tape is more than enough to justify that, his workouts just solidified his status. i just think that after seeing some of the wr's who have came in and succeeded that we cant just look at his issues and say hes gonna bust, he immediately looks way better than kelvin benjamin, torrey, and in my opinion he looks about equal or better than alshon jeffrey and demaryius thomas than all of them looked coming out of college, and all of them were serviceable at least as rookies and all of them proceeded to be very, very productive.

waller does seem different than the other super tall project receivers we have drafted though, ill say he certainly has a better shot than tommy streeter or justin harper or jeremy butler ever had, he has good hands and can highpoint the ball and pluck it out of the air, and make contested catches, those guys just ran down the field and tried to body catch everything and it made their height useless. still thinks its a longshot though, and i thought dezmin lewis was a far better prospect and has legit #1 wr potential, and was one of the steals of the draft

this is true but its something the ravens seem to favor, id prefer to see waller on the active 53 for special teams and as a sideline blocker and redzone guy.

i think the #2 will be perriman, in terms of role and production. i think steve smith takes the #1 in terms of production(targets) and i think he moves around often from the outside to the slot, just to create the best mismatch possible, he is an ideal slot receiver and at his age i think he holds more value there than a full time outside job, i think kamar aiken will typically see alot of snaps as the outside receiver opposite perriman in 3+ wr sets. in spread sets where we use 5 wr's i think the most used formation would be perriman on a island, with camp working the slot on his side, with a bunch formation on the opposite side consisting of aiken and brown with smitty being the one lined up off the LOS to take advantage of the size difference and letting smitty get lost in the crowd, it keeps our 2 best receivers separate on the field, and forces too much accountability on each side of the formation for the defense to handle consistently. i think we will carry smitty, perriman, aiken, camp, and brown on the active 53, waller gets the ir treatment, butler is the odd man out. i think by year 2 waller is more of an asset than marlon brown and he phases him out on the active 53, if smitty retires then brown stays on the active 53 as the 5th man and sees little playing time as our TE sets would likely be favored over a 5wr set. if brown isnt offered any kind of deal from another team then we keep him around for depth purposes and special teams.

everything. seriously though, DHB was garbage and everyone knew it at the time except for al davis. he had absolutely no ability to do anything more than run a straight line. he could not get his hands out to catch the ball and expected to do everything with his arms and body, he had no suddenness or shiftiness at all, no verticals, no body control, no hands ability, no YAC ability, just sprint down the field and hope the qb can drop it right into his forearms and prey he can hold on, that is all DHB ever had to offer. perriman has much more overall athleticism, better reach, explosion, body control, tracking, adjustment, and he even plucks the ball with his hands much better than DHB or even torrey for that matter, it is merely a focus issue and a matter of having pitiful qb play delivering poorly placed throws, you can see he is stellar at adjusting to poorly thrown balls all over the field and getting his hands on them, and more often than not he hold onto them, its just that on occasion he doesnt fully execute the "catch and run". i believe he will more than make up for the occasional drop with overall great production. the bigger concern to me is that he is lacking the ability to sell his routes, he telegraphs his routes on occasion with bad shoulder and head movements, i think as a rookie that will be a bigger issue than his hands, but its a very coachable issue.

id even say hes an upgrade over year 4 torrey. many of torreys problems coming out were never fixed, in year 4 he was still body catching most passes, and he never developed the aggressive mentality to go up and get it, he was way too passive of a player coming out and he stayed that way.

i realize this, but he looks alot better than our other late round wr projects from before, considering he can actually go up and catch with his hands and has the size to make it in the nfl, instead of a tall guy skinny as a rail who runs straight lines and body catches everything. plus we are in a better position now to develop a project guy like waller than we ever have been, with a quality wr coach, joe having much more creative control over the offense, and a OC who does great things with tall receivers

at 6'2"+ his 212 is fine, he carries his frame very well and any additional weight could really hinder his agility and explosiveness, he is already very physical and aggressive and getting outmuscled is just not on his list of concerns, hes a big guy and uses that size excellently.

ive said it before and ill say it again, about half of the posters on these board, especially on the draft forums during draft season, are twice as knowledgeable as a large majority of analysts

yes wallers blocking is something that is sort of forgotten when you think about a 6'6" wr running a 4.4. but he comes from a triple option where his primary job is to clear an outside lane, with us being a stretch based offense it is one hell of an asset to have such a dominant and experienced blocking wr, it will allow our rb's to turn the corner much more often rather than force a cutback, so those times when the OL doesnt execute perfectly(which happens no matter how good ur OL is) our guys can step on the gas and turn it up the sideline for big runs, its hard for a normal sized db to make the tackle when a 6'6" 240lb wr is shoving them into the bench 10 yards downfield. and yes putting gilmore in the slot or making juice a movement guy between the backfield and the slot will make it that much more deadly, the potential is reminiscent of the power sweep offense ran by lombardis packers, if waller can make his way on to the field consistently then it not only helps the passing game, but a guy like buck allen who has tremendous speed and too much power for a db to easily take down in the open field, can make a living for himself in the screen game and by turning the corner and running behind a guy like waller or gilmore. im really excited about the potential of what were building here, makes me sad that waller may never even make the active 53 and if he does make it it probably wont be for a few years

this. i think kevin white was seriously overrated and i think he is more raw than perriman. i still think he is the 2nd or 3rd wr in the class based on ceiling alone, but i think his bust potential is riskier than our guy to be honest