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he reminds me a bit of a young deangelo williams with his good combination of everything you need in a rb, good power and center of gravity, good quickness and elusiveness, good takeoff, jack of all trades kinda guy. now ill admit ive never watched actual film, just highlights, so i dont know him in depth. one thing that concerns me, is that in his highlights it seems USC was running alot of inside zone, i could be wrong, but the plays seemed to develop so fast that it was hard to really guage the schemes ran, but at first glance it looked like mostly inside zone. does anyone know about his vision and patience and how he would do in our zone stretch? his vision seems competent but idk about his patience, he appears to be real anxious to plant his foot and get upfield. if im wrong about this please tell me lol.

really? hm, well i feel stupid. lol

just wanna point out, this is the 2nd williams on the ravens to wear 87

projected by the media and analysts though, thats very different than teams actual boards(apparently the ravens board was spot on though!) but obviously the rest of the top 25 teams didnt have him ranked that way. julio went 6th overall, playing at alabama and having aj mccarron throwing to you while taking bcs ships certainly helps any players stock, if perriman was in such an ideal position then he wouldnt have fell to 26th

just because his coaching staff was completely incompetent, doesnt mean that dorsett is. he shows an obvious natural stop and go ability and good shiftiness, the fact that he was limited due to terrible coordinating doesnt mean that he doesnt have the ability, because just watching him you can tell that he DOES have that ability. sure theres a mental aspect to picking up the route tree, but most wide receivers coming out of college have to deal with a learning curve.

i said the same thing about dorsett, i thought the hilton comparisons was real basic, i see that comparison in the same light as the perriman-torrey debate. i see dorsett with a antonio brown ceiling and i think it really would not be that hard for him to reach that ceiling, i mean they look identical in terms of natural ability and if he has browns work ethic then thats what he will develop into

if perriman was coached by saban and had aj mccarron throwing to him like julio had, he wouldve been a top 15 pick, no doubt in my mind.

i take the comparisons as "______ looks like ______ looked when he was coming out of college" not comparing to a nfl veteran, you just cant do that, especially with WR's because that is a position where players really evolve over time in major ways. i like to refer to the DT comparison but really i think someone who nailed it was michael irvin when he compared him to andre johnson coming out of college, he also had concerns with occasional drops and they are built almost identical and had the same route concerns coming out, they showed the ability but lacked the refinement. torrey ran a 4.42 i believe, and i think he had some "unofficial" 40 times at the combine in the 4.35-36 area as well. 40 times tend to be less accurate at pro days but perriman did not perform at the combine and he consistently was running in the mid 4.2 range, for context, jacoby jones ran a 4.5 at the combine, so even if the pro day times were .05 off everytime, he is still running a whole tenth of a second faster than jacoby jones. and i think the speed is very apparent on tape, he just plays a more well rounded game than torrey and he gears up and down to his advantage and is changing direction more often than a typical straight line burner, while torrey ever since college just steps on the gas and goes, that may be whats making you think torrey is faster. next time youre watching perriman, see how lethal he is when he gets the ball in his hands and he gears up, he almost always pulls away in dramatic fashion

and that is the best way to go about it. i am a huge fan of harbs, but one thing i have never been a fan of is how he is overly harsh in judging rookies, forcing a first round draft pick to cover kickoffs extensively before even seeing the field, that cripples growth, i think he learned that lesson with jimmy smith, he missed a ton of time because he was covering kickoffs vs pitt in week 1 when he should have been suiting up to see the field as a cb, ends up with a high ankle sprain and his growth was a major headache after that. i dont think its a coincidence that high draft picks ended up the starters almost immediately after jimmy's injury(torrey, upshaw, elam[blegh], mosley, and jernigan in heavy rotation) thats 4 consecutive years of rookies essentially being starters, things werent like that prior to jimmy's injury. im glad theyre throwing perriman into the fire, that whole "sit back and learn" thing just does not work in todays nfl, talented kids will just wither away on the sidelines with crushed confidence.

idk about that, i know that 40 times dont accurately depict how fast a player is on the field, im judging off of tape. perrimans take-off seems much quicker than torreys, and i see him pulling away from db's so effortlessly in footraces, i mean there are time on perrimans tape where he beats a guy over the top, gets underthrown, stops and catches the ball, while the db is in full sprint the whole time to make the tackle, but perriman STILL pulls away after he makes the catch. i think perriman is legitimately faster than torrey, in-game as well as workouts.

perriman is alot more fluid of an athlete than torrey though, like on a whole seperate tier, he may never be an elite route runner but he shows an ability to definitely be competent. also while they both have concerns about their catching, torrey was and still is a body catcher who really struggles to get his body adjusted and get his hands on the ball and that problem has shown itself in the nfl quite often, perriman IS a hands catcher with a good sense of body control, which already puts him a few notches ahead of torrey in that aspect, he just isnt "sure handed". i get what you're saying and the way you look at it is alot better than everyone else saying "oh hes just another torrey smith" but i just really dont see the comparison besides the speed, inconsistent catching, and dreads. edit: also your analysis on the previous page is something that seems to get lost when discussing him, he needs to control his body movements better coming off the snap, he telegraphs his routes alot and it concerns me in the nfl, but its not something i think cant be coached up, and yes his release on go routes is frustrating because he cant keep the db guessing, he stutter steps on his shorter routes allowing them to close in, and then puts his head down and stomps on the gas for the go routes and lets the db know hes going deep. thats his biggest issue in my opinion

i think cooper and carr could be a very potent combination but the rest of their offense is just too weak, cooper is the only threat on that team. if they get a more competent all around offense then i think cooper easily has the best production. after that though, i think the competition for most production comes down to perriman, dorsett, and agholor actually, i think kevin white was a bit overrated and i think john fox is a pretty bad HC and cutler is too erratic to make something of a wr as raw as him, i think tannehill is the wrong qb for parker, and i think agholor and dorsett will both absolutely tear it up in their systems, i see perriman in the same light. so id guess that cooper takes the title while 2nd best is gonna come down to perriman, agholor, and dorsett, mostly due to the situations theyll be playing in compared to the others.

ok then im in!

is this actual fantasy football or just a forum game?

thats what i think too. if he goes to the team that DT plays for, he will get the more accurate comparison of, well, DT, which i think is one of the more accurate comparisons out there.

ive been wondering, if perriman is drafted by the colts, packers, broncos, or patriots, does the whole football world harp on his hands? or do they praise the pick? what player does he get compared to? theres no speedsters with dreads on those teams to automatically compare him to. i just cant help but think of how this pick would be perceived if he joins a team that torrey smith didnt just leave.

i dont like the look of 8's on our jerseys for some reason, i hope perriman can get his old college number, i think it would make for a great looking jersey

we all hopped on the bandwagon just because he was big and tall, what was the last straw for me was seeing his games vs marcus peters and steven nelson, he can dominate trash-tier cb's but when he faces a physical guy with even the slightest bit of ball skills he looked god awful. that just made me say no. meanwhile agholor became one of my favorite guys and went much earlier than i expected

haha wut?

ill definitely be talking about it for this long lmao

the bengals win the whole offseason because they drafted derron smith /cry

question about buck, how does his patience and vision look for the zone stretch? i havent looked really in depth at him, but from what ive seen so far it looks like he saw alot of success running a inside zone, does anyone know if he has the intangibles to be a instant success in the stretch zone or will there be a big learning curve for him?

nah im definitely happy, its a 6th round no risk high reward pick lol. and he is in trestmans offense, with joe flacco throwing to him, id call it a good situation for him, nothing wrong with a jumpball specialist who can actually highpoint and hang on to the ball

ok, first of all, he had some issues early in the season and finished the 2nd half of his season with zero dropped catchable passes, a big fat zero, secondly, take into consideration the hot garbage qb that was throwing hot garbage balls that he had to make absurd adjustments to. raw in his routes, true, but shows a clear ability to run them, lacks polish and refinement, but the routes are there, coates on the other hand, has straight line speed and completely lacks the agility and suddenness to break off sharp routes, perriman is much better off in that department, just needs a bit of coaching, but no amount of coaching can teach coates to just change his physical limitations. you did not say similar, you said literally the same player. but lets be real, they are not even similar, they have a few similar traits, a FEW, like being fast and raw, aside from that they couldnt be any more different. not to mention, perrimans raw-ness can be coached because he shows clearly superior physical ability than coates in all aspects aside from muscle mass, coates isnt gifted with the agility or natural body control to be a complete wr like perriman, nor does he seem to have the capacity to attack the ball with his hands. are you done yet? i can debunk ur wrongness all day

i could understand that preference because of the blocking, its quite an asset to have such a dominant, willing, and experienced blocking wr in a stretch zone. but man i just thought dez lewis had some serious potential, everything about him screams true #1 wr, while i think waller is much more a longshot.