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so anyone seen decker?

people really want us to throw money at him?

okay im calling it.

broncos got paid to loose.

What the heck? is this crap.

lol say what you want but nobody on the offense is helping manning.

poor guy.

i love me some defense

defense wins championships !!!!!!

why doesent prater kick it through the endzone lol

"Every one"  here wants to replace Flacco too, so maybe Billick and Boller.

It will be just like old times.....

(yes I realize how horrible the old times were, thats my point   )

what is boller doing these days anyways?

I'm not sold on Lee, he dropped 12% of the catchable passes thrown at him last season. We already have a problem with drops from our receivers.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/46006/349/peshek-top-4-wr-metrics

good read.

lee would be an underneath WR , probaly a slot guy.

Benjamin seems to be the most all round guy.

Evans seems to be the best coming back towards the QB but doesent seem to be fit for the slot.

watkins would be useless since we dont use WR screens lol.

Benjamin and Evans  would be outside WRs and probaly move torrey inside.

lee would probaly be the closest to a welker role.

he does have the highest drop rate but from what i read most drops came on go routes and we already have torrey who can do those.

Aha! So you use the titans.....how could you lol? :laff :laff

nah i always trade for him in online franchise lol.

or scoop him up  if the titans release him hahahha

 quarterback?

what about the QB?

They did alot better then some teams with a qb just saying.............

Also you do know the draft is coming right and FA to..........

Someone explain to me what's more appealing about Minnesota's offense, or team for that matter, that when compared to our own makes Norv Turner want to sign there instead of here, unless we seriously don't want him (and by we I mean the FO, not the fans)

 

Edit: I'm not saying I would be disappointed with Shanahan, but I really thought we'd bite at Turner and he'd want to come here.

cordalle patterson, AP and a blocking o-line?

Apparently he quite likes his yes men. Take that at the value you will.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24375961/kyle-shanahan-staff-inexperience-at-core-of-redskins-dysfunction

seems he fits right in with harbough and friends lol

OOOOPS!  I just did a little Googling...forget Shanahan.  I don't see him meshing with this team and staff at all given he seems to be a full tilt turdheel.

father or son or both?

to be fair the only reason RG3 ran alot was because he could not read defenses.

if his 1st read was coverd he ran lol.

also they moved away from the option this season because RG3 was already injured and the wanted to expose him less.

also with a historic bad special teams and 1 of the worst defenses there where playing catch up more , so running the ball game wasent really an option.

with shannahan you know he will run the ball and he will play to the players strength.

the TE will also be featured and he uses alot of 3 WR sets with different routes.

he worked wonders with Garcon who started as an  deep threat wr but played snaps from the slot as well.

you could see a similair result from torrey smith.

shanahan is 1 OC that knows how to run the ball.

also seems to be able to play to an QB strengths as well.

Because then it IS their fault. If the offense has tied the game or taken the lead - from there it is up to the defense. Period. The offense has now done their part to either take us into OT or win the game. Period. That is just a fact.

 

I don't care if we lead the game 7-3 with 2 mins left. We are winning. Whether we win or lose at that point is in the hands of the defense. No one else controls it at that point.

 

For every "the offense didn't score" claim you want to make about earlier in the game there will be just as many plays on defense that one can point to throughout the game. It is just a fact that once the game is tied or we've taken a lead in the 4th - it is now in the hands of the defense. If they fail - then they have failed. That is just a fact.

are you seriously that short sighted?

the only reason the team has a 7-3 lead with 2 minutes left is because the defense managed to keep the opponent to 3 points lol.

you have any idea how hard it is to hold a team to just 3 points for a full game?

with all the rules and such its not easy to play defense lol.

you should care, you should care alot to be honest.

a defense holding an opponent to 3 points for 58 minutes is impressive.

a offense scoring just 7 points in 58 minutes is well ...... .

instead of lookin at the situation as it is , your better off wondering how we got in that situation in the first place lol.

im not a fan of the blame the victim instead of perpetrator mindset some seem to have but to each their own.

no point in arguing.

Are we arguing that defense was better than offense?  No we're not. I do believe I already said the offense was beyond disappointing. We're arguing about the defense's performance in the 4th quarter. You want to make some sort of argument that their late game failures didn't cost us games when it did.

 

Fact: A game has 4 quarters and not just 3.

Fact: If the offense ties the game late or makes a go ahead score at that point the game is in the hands of the defense.

 

It doesn't negate anyone's performance up to that point, but the offense cannot do anything else unless they have the ball. Once the offense ties the game or takes the lead, the game is then in the hands of the defense. If they fail, then they failed.

we are arguing who is to blame for a lost game.

you want to blame the part that failed on the last 1 or 2 drives.

i rather blame the part who failed on  the many drives prior to the last 1 or 2.

Defenses' job is to get off the field. They failed all but 2 times.

Offense's job is to put up points. FGs are points - and it is the offense that makes the yards to get you there.

 

We have a lot of defense apologists on this site. They use different measuring sticks for offense & defense.

 

Ranking only matters here because it lets you apologize for the failures of our defense. We ranked bottom of the barrel in clutch time defensively, for points & red zone defense. Those are just facts.

 

If you look at our games & how they played out - but for our 4th quarter failures, despite an underperforming offense, we'd have made the playoffs. That is also just a fact.

 

The defense is not absolved of blame when our losses were close games and the offense managed to actually either take a lead or tie the game in 4 of them (if not more, that is just off the top of my head) in the 4th quarter.

 

Myth: The defense was significantly better than last season.

Fact: Statistically overall the defense was better but statistically they ranked at the bottom in the 4th quarter.

fact: a game has 4 quarter and not just 1.

fact: an offense job is to score points and they where the 25th best in the league.

fact; an defense job is to stop other teams from scoring and the defense was 12th best in the league.

fact: above rankings are based on a full season and all quarters not just 1 specific.

fact: 12th best is better then 25th best.

The 4th qtr stat is disturbing.

 

Too many times the D had to make a crucial stop in the 4th qtr to either

 

1- get the ball back so our O would have one more chance.

2- to stop the other team from scoring the game winning TD.

 

Too many times it didn't happen. It shouldn't matter what the O scores. That is moot. Go back over some of those 4th qtrs.

sure ill watch those 4th quarters

lets all just forget what happend in the prior 3 quarters.........

also get the ball back to the offense to have  them do what they have been doing through the whole game?

is there some guaranteed that they would actually do better or just a chance?

That is one game.

 

Fact: The defense forced only one punt on the Steelers first drive in Game 1. Every other drive was a scoring drive.

 

Fact: The defense allowed the 3rd most points in the 4th quarter of all NFL teams.

 

Fact: All but 3 losses this year were 7 pts or less.

 

There is an obvious issue in the 4th quarter and it has nothing to do with TOP or being tired. Personally, I believe it has to do with Pees & how soft & conservative he goes in the 4th.

1st 1 is a myth:

Fact: the defense did force 1 punt , but they also forced 1 fumble which the offense manage to get 3 points off.

Fact: in that same game the offense had 3 punts, 3 FG( 1 set up by defense) and 1 TD.

Fact: steelers offense AVG 23.7 a  game and where held to 19.

Fact: ravens offense AVG. 20.0 a game and where held to 16.

Fact: the ravens defense AVG allows 22.0 per game good for 12th best

Fact: the ravens offense AVG scores 20.0 per game good for 25th best.

if there is 1 side that needs improvement its quite clear where.....

other then the denver game most of the blame of all other games did not and should not fall on the defense...

Right. And no matter how you have performed the rest of the game if you have a chance to win and don't do your job at the end of the game when it counts most, you have failed. 

if you wait till the end of a game to win it you set yourself up to fail.....

no matter how you wanna spin it most of the blame goes to whoever failed the most that game and not who failed on the last drive....

you wanna blame the defense then fine, just make sure you blame the offense more then we cool.

just dont act like the offense did their job and the defense failed.

they both failed ,  just 1 more then the other which is suprisingly has always been the case with the ravens....

somethings never change lol

While you have a somewhat valid point, it's not wrong to think that you can suck during the course of a game(low success rate/turnovers), but pull it together at the end to pull out a win.  We did it time and again in 2012 and winning those types of games is what got us into the tournament. In 2013 that didn't happen. We lost three or four close games where there the O caught stride towards the end giving the Team a chance to win, only to have the D allow long, time consuming scoring drives.

 

While it's true that events during the course of a game do have an effect on the outcome, if you do not perform at the end of a close game, none of what happened earlier means squat. The score when the clock reads 00:00 determines the W/L.

 

 

 

Agree and I don't think anyone could rationalize that the offense didn't suck and failed miserably in the red zone on a regular basis. But there were games where they recovered and put things together at the end of games, only to have the D fold like a wet paper bag.

the only reason the offense had a chance to recover and put things together at the end of the game was tnx to the defense in the first place.

in order for the offense to have the time to get things together and team have any chance of winning is that defense was actually getting stops through out the game...

even if they did [profanity deleted] the bed on the final drive they still did a better job then offense who [crap]ted the bed through the whole game....

the defense should not have been put in that situation in the first place.

Another interesting and obvious fact;

 

There is generally an ebb and flow to any game and the score at the end of the game is what determines a win/loss. If you screw up during the course of a game there is always time to recover and win. But if you fail at the end, you usually lose.  

no you are wrong.

the way you play during the WHOLE game determines a win/loss.

otherwise what is the point of playing a whole game if it all comes down to 1 or 2 drives.

when 1 part is doing its job for 75% of the time they still did a better job and has far less of the blame then the part that only did their job 25% of the time.

when the offense has 10 drives and 2 TD they have a 20% succes rate.

when the defense has 10 drives and allows 4 TD they have a 60% succes rate.

score might not say so but a deeper look will tell you more.

it goes even deeper when you start to account that 2 of the TD the defense allowed where because of a short field tnx to a turnover by the offense and  1 of the TD off the offense came on a short field created by a turnover by the defense.....

now this is just a general example and the reality will differ but i hope you and others get the point.

Fact: an NFL game has 4 quarters at minimum.

judging based on 1 quarter is short sighted to say the least.....