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not even going attempt to read this article lol

Gilmore is going to be the starter since he is the best blocker we have with experience.

if pitta is back he will be the 3rd down TE and if he cant go then maxx is going to get those snaps.

there is at the moment no need to throw a rookie into the fire TBH.

prevent defense is 3 man rushing the passer and 8 man dropping into deep coverage.

majority of the game we rushed as least 4  mixed with man to man , cover 2, cover 3 and cover 4.

neither are considered prevent defense.

also for the record the 2012 play off defense had the most forced turnovers and sacks of any other defense in the play offs.

to say they where not a strength is just crazy.

colts only managed 3 FGs.

they held manning and the broncos to 3 passing TD but in return forced 2 INT with 1 being a pick 6 and the other setting up the FG in OT.

they also forced a fumble in the 3rd quarter that ended in a rice TD.

They shut out brady in the 2nd half of the pats game.

Forced 2 INT and a fumble as well.

in the SB they where just as hot as the offense before HT giving up only 2 FGs and where just as cold as the offense after the lights went out.

the offense only managed 2 FGs afte the lights went out so people seriously needs to stop acting like they where still playing and it was only the defense that got worse.

Both the offense and defense got hot in the play offs and both carried us to the SB win.

Just go to ESPN and look at all the drives if you dont believe me.

its all documented play by play...

Why would I put his name in blast like that? John Harbaugh doesnt address every little thing. He has had weight issues. You cn believe it or not. Thats to you.

translation im making stuff up lol

But it's far better to give up just a few yards off of a short pass than play press man and give up 30.

I know you're not totally blind to this, but Jimmy was playing press man for the majority of his snaps. If venture to say 60%+ of his snaps were press man. It all comes down to confidence in the corner and when you're on your sixth string as your starter, you aren't going to let them press or play in high risk coverages. You'll do what ever it takes to protect them

we tried press and lafell got behind melvin for a TD lol.

we tried man to man and amendola beat elam for a TD which was a huge mismatch.

Heck we tried being aggressive and got beat by that trick play.

TBH if we did what some are suggesting here it might have been a blow out ....

I know somebody who works for the Ravens and he has had weight issues over the years. Just because theres no source on the internet doesnt mean he doesnt have an issue with it.

ow you know somebody.

that has to make it credible then 

So why has the team and harbaugh decided to stop addressing this issue then?

They had no trouble bringing it up in 2012 and 2013 before  trainings camp , yet now all of  sudden they have been quiet about it.

Also im pretty sure neither the ravens or harbaugh would tolerate this happening during the season for 3 years and counting.

Care to tell us who this person is and what his/her job with the ravens is?

I just didn't agree with pees playcallng with the corners giving 10 yard cushions on every play. It would be 3rd and 2 with a 10 yard cushion. Tom Brady is notorious for his short,little passes and Pees never changed. I know our secondary was torn but still, those 3rd and shorts killed us every time because of how backed our DB's played.

so what play would you call on 3rd and 2 against 4 and 5 wide receivers sets?

I was thinking the same thing. Upshaw continues to have weight troubles durring and after the season. Doesnt seem like he has alot of upper muscle. That knd of worries me for him being a pass rusher. I really dont think he has the speed or upper body strength against those linemen to be consistent. Really hope zadarius smith comes through in the next three years so we ATLEAST have one pass rusher after sizzle and Doom move on. Doeant look like Doom is going anywhere any time soon. Seems like hes getting stronger as he gets older. Sizzle on the other hand worries me.

do you have any links to back this up ?

i cant find any article that suggest he had issues during the season and according to our own site the only time he had these issues was in 2012 and 2013 when he reported in over weight before OTA`s.

Those where posted in June and by the time we hit Aug and Sept there where no issues at all.

For 2014 there is even an article that said he reported in good shape.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Courtney-Upshaw-In-Better-Shape-Looking-To-Produce/75392dbb-7a19-4900-af26-24d0eef62333

For 2015 there hasn't been anything that suggest he was in bad shape.

So based on what do people think he still has weight issues?

Are we seriously gonna use this against him for the rest of his career even though he seemed to have cleaned up his act?

Also his upper body strength is his biggest area of strength lol.

He is the strongside edge setter meaning he is taking on a double team at the point of attack taking on the TE and T.

His biggest weakness is his lack of closing speed.

Its the main reason why can get good pressure but no sacks.

I didn't mention the Pats game.

 

I don't trust that he had much to do with that call in the SB tbh. Nothing he's shown since then says he did and the videos of that goal line stand lead me to believe otherwise as well. Can you even name any close game at all where he's been aggressive at the end since then?

so according to you who made the call?

A bad decision in the postseason is emblematic of something Flacco DOESN'T do, seeing as how he's been so great at not turning it over in the playoffs, despite that 1 play.

 

 

When people argue against him being in the top 10, they bring up fantasy stats every time, not his decision making. Like I said before, coaches and analysts who watch film NEVER say Joe is undisciplined or a bad decision maker, and most of his critics don't even say that. They simply criticize him for not putting up big numbers, like the Browns writer in this article did.

im pretty sure people called him a bad decision maker before.

especially earlier in his career.

the way he played these last 3 play offs aint how he played the earlier years and he hasent been lights out every time in the regular season either.

you wont find 1 person who will put on the 29-9-2013 game tape of the bills match up, who is going to argue his decision making was on point that game lol.

he has grown up and become a very good QB but lets not act he was like this from day 1...

I'm not a huge pees fan but this conversation always comes down to nostalgic comparisons to Marvin Lewis and Rex Ryan.

Dean Pees hasn't had nearly the consistency in personnel, has dealt with injuries to multiple key players every year he's been the coordinator, and frankly doesn't have the same talent those guys had.

He has talent yes, but not HOF talent at the 2 key positions that others had. An in prime ed reed and ray Lewis allow you to do SOOOOO MUCH and take so many chances/be as aggressive as you want bc you know Ray has the whole middle of the field covered and will clean up and Ed has sideline to sideline on anything deep.

Pees has won a Super Bowl (which Pagano and Ryan never did) with less. It's not always pretty, and won't be the dominate defense that dictates a game that we all grew to love, but he gets a defense to play efficiently and do enough to win deep into the season.

You can want more, but it's luxury wants at this point. Pees seems to have perfected the art of doing just enough to make you pull ur hair out, but also enough to consistently win games.

And if ur gonna be a Flacco defender and look past his down performances and point to his winning ways and postseason performances.... Well Pees is a lot like that. Ugly sometimes, but it's a consistent winning formula that cranks up in the playoffs.

+35

Mattison was our DC in 2009 and 2010.

 

Ngata was a better player back then than he was with Pees,but Pryce and Gregg were at the end of the road in their careers and Edwards was never the player he is now in Carolina when he was with us.He was a bust here.Pees has had Williams,Canty,Jernigan,Jones and McPhee.Our D line from last year was WAY better than the any D Line Mattison had.Our LB corp from last year was better than it was in 2009 and 2010 too.Dumervil,Suggs and Upshaw > Suggs and Johnson.Smith and Mosley > Lewis and McClain/Gooden.Secondary wise we had better safeties with Mattison but Washington,Foxxworth and Walker were horrible.We had Webb back then but he didn't breakout until year 3.The only bright spot we had CB wise during Mattisons years was Josh Wilson.

2010 the only changes where redding for edwards and carr wilson at CB.

i find it amusing the only bright spot you can find is wilson lol.

id say a young primed ngata.

a still going strong lewis and a 32 year old reed where some pretty huge bright spots as well.

heck a young suggs was a pretty bright spot as well and lets not forget we did not have PS players filling in at CB.

carr and wilson are much better cbs then levine , greenwood ,melvin and whoever we tried to plug in after jimmy went down.

having a guy like Reed play center field makes live alot easier for any DC then having stewart there lol.

not sure if elam is that much of an upgrade over walker as a nickle corner.

JJ in his prime with us was at that point a better player then upshaw in setting the edge and was much better in coverage then upshaw and doom combined.

Doom is basicially just a 3rd down pass rush specialist which is a limited role although he is great at it.

it bascially still limits your options using him as everyone knows he will rush the passer.

TBH i dont think you will find any DC who would not rather have lewis reed and young ngata as their core instead of old ngata mosley/smith and  stewart/elam/hill/ brooks .

Alot of people are honing in on the fact that our defense finished top ten last year,but our defense finished #3rd overall and #10 overall during Greg Mattison's 2 years.He had Foxxworth,Washington and Walker at CB and less talent in the front seven when he did it too.If Pees is a genius playing chess then Mattison must've been godly in the eyes of you all.

2009: ngata edwards gregg

JJ lewis mcclain/gooden suggs

washington foxworth

reed landry

front 7 less talent?

secondary less talent?

2008 Ngata Pryce and bannan

JJ lewis scott suggs

rolle washington

reed leonhard.

front 7 less talent?

secondary less talent?

id argue reed and lewis alone make these 2 units more talented.

thrown in a young ngata and suggs, a guy like JJ, bart scott , rolle , landry, pryce , Gregg.

find it hard to argue last years team had more talent lol

the ravens community pretty much runs with double standards so dont expect them to change their stand on Pees or other less liked persons.

Pees could have the #1 record breaking defense and yet when we lose a game by an offense turnover turned into points,they would still argue the defense gives up to many points so pees must be fired even though they where not on the field at the time of the score.

pretty good read.

Yanda and K.O. are different types of players than Mike.  They constantly work on their craft tot to get better.  The NFL wasn;t a final destination for them - just a beginning where they can learn to improve their technique even further.  Oher didn;t do that.  IMO he swallowed his own kool-aide and felt like he didn;t have to work hard to get better at the NFL level.  He saw it as a destination and rest on his laurels after his rookie year and never learned to advance his game in order to keep up..  That's desire.  He doesn't have it    

Again i never question this lol.

im asking why people keep saying oher gets alot of false start penalties while the stats and thus facts say other wise.

The stats i posted say oher is getting less of those penalties  to the point that in his last and although worst season he was even getting them less then Yanda.

Heck im wondering why nobody is talking about Yanda getting these penalties after he lead the team the past 2 seasons with them.

So far all im getting is that because Yanda is so good fans let it slide and have no problem about him getting those penalties no matter how they could affect the offense  and  because Oher was avg they gonna keep bringing up how many he had in his rookie season lol

TBH people should just let the false start stuff go cause its certainly 1 area where Oher actually worked to clean up his act and over the course of his career it paid off with us.

If Yanda is protecting Joe thats what he is paid to do and he is 1 of the top protecters in the NFL and believe me Yanda will be paid  a nice pay check. No its not ok to get false starts but Yanda makes up for it with his over-all play he is a pro-bowl caliber player and Oher is a average player who gets a lot of false starts and allows the QB to be sacked and pressured sometimes not even getting a hand on the defender. No comparison between Yanda and Oher. Even the false start stats argument hold little to no meaning when you look at their over all career perfomances. Who would you rather have on the o-line protecting Joe Yanda or Oher?

So basicially because yanda is great and gets paid alot fans dont care he gets false start penalties?

Cause its funny that you mention Oher gets alot of false start penalties while in fact in 2014 Yanda had the most, in 2013 Yanda had the most and in 2012 Osemele had the most and Oher had only 1 more then Yanda lol.

if we go by the last 3 seasons its actually Yanda who gets alot of false start pens...

I mean if your a Ravens fan you know he had a lot of penalties point blank period. Doesn't really matter if they were false starts holding or whatever he was a penalty machine. On top of that steadily declined from his rookie year. To hear him complain about a movie not getting him on a team is actually sad. He was a good guy for the Ravens, but don't make that type of excuse.

i know he had penalties.

i never denied that.

im just pointing out that its ridiculous that fans like you keep bringing up the false stats since he clearly cleaned up his act after his rookie season.

im also pointing out that he had softening circumstances as well since he spend most of his career with the ravens switching between RT and LT which is far from an easy thing to do.

Also is it really that hard to believe that the movie added higher expectations and pressure to him?

He became a well known player before he took 1 snap in the NFL so i doubt its that far fetched him being under a microscope more then others.

i thought it was common knowledge that the more popular/well known a person is the more that person will be under a microscope.

Ya I can see your point. The difference between Yanda and Oher is Yanda protects the QB better.....

and that makes it okay to get more false starts?

That would defeat the prupose of us signing Kyle Arington...

The best player will play and brown is a better CB then arrington.

also given jimmy and webb history with injuries you cant ever have to many quality CBs tbh.

arrington cant play outside and well melvin  got exposed real bad so yeah we are still 1 injury away from having a huge downgade at CB.

Brown had a down year last year but The Raiders were pretty bad when it came to pressuring the quarterback. Brown brings a totally different skill set from Kyle Arlington  since he's more of a outside cornerback than nickel and he's taller as well. The Ravens must not have alot of faith in Melvin and the other young cornerbacks but you can never have too many cornerback,

 

I really doubt Brown comes here and I expect for him to go to a team that wiil give him better shot at being a starter.

true but dont forget that Webb is pretty good in the slot and thus brown can come in and play outside with jimmy and the webb slides to the slot.

we used  him this way before and he played great.

will depend on his mobility though

brown is not bad at all. 

would battle for the 3rd spot.

So basically his stay with the Ravens was filled with penalties like I said.

you was talking about false starts at first.

you only switched to penalties in general later on.....

also lets not forget this guy was switching between LT and RT quite often during the season quite often which isent an easy task for any player and never complained 1 bit.

He means that the movie added a lot more pressure and expectations then others received.

He was a high profile player before he took 1 snap in the NFL.

lets have a look.

2010

Oher had 8 heap was closest 2nd with 4.

2011

Oher had 5 false starts with mckinnie having 4 birk having 3 yanda having 2

2012

Oher had 4 false starts and got alot of flak for it which was hilarious cause nobody was on Yanda who had 3 lol.

Heck Osemele had 6 that season yet everyone was bashing Oher.

Heck 2013 Yanda had 5 false starts and Oher only 3 but again Oher is labeld mister false starts....

2014 Yanda and daniels lead the team with 4 each.

There is a clear downward trend in him getting false starts called with yanda showing an increase but guess who gets labeld mister false start.....

Though I don't agree with Smai on this topic, the defense when JJ was trying to break through was stacked, IIRC.

it certainly was stacked.

still he got the job because thomas bolted in FA.

If thomas stayed we would not be talking about JJ.