Tru11

25 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

Bc it was enough time to get rid of the ball when the pressure is in your face. He held on to the ball, that's it lol.

and you base this off?

8 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

 

 

This was the point I was making, whether the play calling was correct or not they put it in his hands and the rest was history. I do not understand what there is to talk about? #1 offense, MVP of the regular season, Pats dared the Falcons to beat them with Ryan.

 

And by the way, I do not have access to advanced stats unfortunately but one thing I did find interesting is that a couple of years ago with a worse offensive line Ryans average time in the pocket before being sacked/releasing the ball/ or running out the pocket was 2.73 seconds.

is it really that hard to understand that 2 seconds is not enough time to complete a 5 or 7 step drop back, go through your read and pass the ball?

im 100% positive that the 2.73 seconds is based on all pass plays and not just 5 to 7 step drop backs, even so 2.73 was still more then the time he actually had on the 2 plays you blame him for....

also not sure what years ago have to do with what actually happened on those 2 plays.

17 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Had this happened the other way, we already know how these discussions would go.

yup.

22 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I somewhat agree and we probably lose if it's not TJ Yates or whoever was back there at qb, but that was a tough defense.  If I remember correctly, wrs were locked up and he was constantly pressured/hit.  Dont remember the run game doing much either.  Might have only seen the game twice tho.

 

You and @Tru11 are fighting a fight that will get you no where, by the way.

i know.

became clear when people actually want to argue that 2 seconds are a decent amount of time to complete a 5 or 7 step drop back.

 

14 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

if Flacco didn't have any time in the pocket then no, but when he has some decent amount of time I blame him. What is your point?

what do you consider a decent amount of time?

on the sack and fumble , it was a free runner with him having no time to do anything because freeman missed the block.
the sack for a loss he was on the ground when 3 seconds passed.

both plays he had a defender on him barely 2 seconds after the snap.

so you think 2 seconds is a decent amount of time for a QB to do a 5 and 7 step drop back?

my point seems pretty clear now tbh...

2 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

Yes, the coach called a play to get sacked....twice

do you blame flacco every time he gets sacked?

25 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

Once, and on that same drive got them out of it....

so he did move the chains.

did he do that or did the OC do that with the play calling?
 

34 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Let's remove names and ask the question objectively.

Should an 8 year veteran QB that was named the league's MVP and plays with the league's #1 ranked offense get a pass for failing when it counted most? In the final quarter of the final game of the tournament?  

No need to answer and that's pretty much all I have to say on the subject. 

pretty sure it was freeman who failed to pick up a block that caused the fumble.
pretty sure it was also shanahan messed up play calling that knocked them out of FG range when all they needed to do was run the ball and kick a FG.

since you brought up being objective , would you or would you not blame flacco rather then the supposed to blocker or OC?

1 hour ago, gtalk12 said:

 

One was a recovered on side kick........and after some good throws to Gabriel and that catch by Julio he took a sack and put them out of field goal range....

 

 

so he did move the chains to get them in range ?

in real life : football IQ > proper NFL technique > speed 
madden: speed

On 11-2-2017 at 4:24 PM, gtalk12 said:

 

chain moving, eating up clock, making a throw to get us in field goal rahge....

 

Ryan could not move the chains when they needed him to, it wasn't the fact he did not throw a TD.

Ryan got them in FG range twice besides throwing for that TD.

how in your world did he manage that if he could not move the chains?

28 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

And Joe and the offense were on the field for three times as many plays as Matt and the the Falcons in the second half of that game. As was mentioned when you first brought up the analogy, they were completely different situations and in no way comparable.  

falcons offense accounted for 7 points in the 2nd half.
ravens offense accounted for 6 points in the 2nd half

so......

18 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Couldn't Judon and KC be the replacements for Suggs and Doom technically... 

sounds like a good idea if you plan on having the #1 pick somewhere in the future lol

On 31-1-2017 at 11:09 PM, Willbacker said:

Glad you got your ticket. Lets make it a victory.

Dont worry man.

if the defense starts to collapse i will go streaking to change momentum.

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Well, the major difference would be that the Ravens offense actually managed to get some first downs in the second half while running three times as many plays as the Falcons did against NE. They didn't score a bunch of points but it was enough and they at least gave the D some time off the field in the 4th quarter when it mattered most. Guess you could also add that the Ravens didn't turn the ball over as did the Falcons. 

What seemed to hurt the Ravens the most In the second half(besides the momentum robbing outage)was Ngata going down. It was like throwing a switch(whoops!) opening up the D. 

Rice fumbled it on the ravens 24 yard line and before that ginn returned a punt to the ravens 20.

lead to 10 points by the niners on such a short field

find it intresting that nobody remembers any of this happening to the offense and special teams after the lights went out....

11 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

 

when it comes to Flacco, no regular season stat applies to him. We have the rarest of all QB's who only comes out in the playoffs....smh not saying I like it, but when have we ever seen a guy be completely 2 different people?

i cant think of 1 play off game where flacco was pressured over 60% of the time and played great.

probably because he usually has good protection when we make the play offs.

40 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Even snapping 7 or 3 or 5 etc seconds is better than what he was doing. 

I just expected the best offense in the league to be better and pull on the clutch drive/play when it mattered to win the biggest game of their lives.

 

Belichick is probably the greatest coach ever and his strength is the defense.

Id say if there is anyone capable of stopping/ limiting the best offense he would be my first pick.

29 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Yes I know. In your eyes the defense is not required to do their job at all unless the other team starts inside their own 10. The offense is expected to perform from their own 5 yd line and score - but not the defense. Nope buddy. They are only required to do their job if all the stars align in their favor lol

If you give your defense a 28-6 lead to start the 3rd quarter - and then are given another 6 points to add to that - if it comes down to a goal line stand - your defense has failed. You can blame coaching, players, whomever you like - but it is defensive fail with only 2 exceptions. If there is a pick 6 or there is a fumble in the end zone.

If your defense allows 31 pts in the 2nd half - or 21 pts in the 4th quarter - to blow a significant lead - that is a defensive failure. Offenses are going to become more conservative with such a lead and concentrate more on running out clock - that is just fact. Why do they do that? Oh that's right - because they expect that a defense can hold such a significant lead.

 

2 of the niners scoring drives started on the ravens 20 yard line and the ravens 24 yard line.
that is well within FG range.

no defense in the history of the NFL would be capable of not allowing a single point ever in that situation every single time.

should really lower your expectations if you expect a defense to not allow a single point in that situation when the opponent has such a short field to the endzone.

what you actually should be asking is who fault it was that the opponent got to start their drive at the door of the redzone in the first place.

ofcourse you wont ask yourself this because it would fk up your whole argument that it was all pees fault and him alone lol.
damm him for fumbling the ball in that spot and damm him for allowing that huge punt return......

1 minute ago, arnie_uk said:

Which is where I think the offense let them down. Ryan was snapping the ball with 10 15 seconds left constantly. Regardless of play calling that's a rookie mistake. Have to be better aware of the situation of the game.

They were in fg range. Why doesn't kyle just run it? Why doesn't ryan audible to runs? Seen a stat they went 1 of 8 on 3rd down conversions as well. Even completing 3 more wins the game..

I think the number 1 offense in the league ultimately didn't do enough to win the game.

its easier for the defense to jump the snap if you wait till the last second to snap.

pretty stupid to do just that when you are under pressure majority of the time already and you want to throw it lol.

not to mention you wont be able to make adjustments or react to last seconds shifts or adjustments that the defense is making.

i remember the pats crowding the LOS every time against us and then drop 8 in coverage the moment we where going to snap it leaving our offense pretty confused....

its a good idea to snap it with 1 second if you plan on running the ball and burn the clock but in a close game when passing it makes more sense the try to be unpredictable.

22 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Do you think the league MVP of the no.1 offense with the top wideout in football did enough to win the biggest game of his career or was he found wanting when it mattered most?

being the league MVP does not give you magical powers which creates a bubble around so you cant be pressured.

given the circumstances he was in then yes he did more then enough.

rodgers is about the only QB who could put similar numbers being under pressure 60% of the time.
brees might the other guy.

other then that GL finding any QB who could do anything similiar.

you would have a point if he had a clean pocket with little to no pressure though.

34 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

If Joe had the offensive weapons that Matty Choke had, he would have beaten the Patriots yesterday. 

 

 

ryan with all his weapons was under pressure 60 % of the time when dropping back to pass.

flacco is 1 of the worst QBs in the league when under pressure.

gl trying to put these 2 pieces of info together.

 

13 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Was brady not harassed all game as well? He done pretty well...

This doesn't need to turn into a bash flacco thread, it's about the Falcons number 1 offense that produced nothing for a qtr and a half to see out a suoerbowl victory lead by the best play caller this year, the league MVP and the best wideout in the game.

The defense faced 93 snaps or something, our defense has never faced that many from what I recall since I started watching in 2006. That's an absurd amount. The offense just cropped the bed towards the game. 

All the had to do was drive for a fg or two, or run down the clock and snap the ball with a few seconds left.. they couldn't even do that.

I wanted the Falcons to win, I expected them to be a total mismatch for new England and that's how the first half went. 

They should have killed the game before the 4th qtr started.

brady was only sacked 5 times on  a staggering 62 pass attempts.
ryan was sacked 5 times on just 23 pass attempts.

ryan completed 70% of his passes , threw for 284 yards on 17 completions, had 2 TD and 0 int.
the man had a 144.1 QB rating in the SB lol

all this while under pressure majority of the dropbacks.

not sure how you can expect more when majority of the QBs dont even come close to this under the same circumstances.

im again curious what more you wanted him to do.

he aint micheal vick or cam newton that can juke defenders in the back field to buy time....


 

4 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

My point in relation to this is that we didn't have the league MVP, but a slightly above average flacco in about the 10th best qb range playing qb, nor did we have the best offensive coach in the league.

I expected a whole lot more from the Falcons. Your own original post in this thread even said the pats d isn't as good as the stats make them out to be, they paid bad teams etc.

I expected them to put up a couple tds early the second half and just blow the pats out of the game.

Ryan was the league MVP.  I just expected a higher level of performance from him. 

I think he's more a sum of all the parts rather than a legitimate elite can't do without qb and my map candidate Rodgers. 

I think Ryan will struggle when shanaghan leaves. He's a great player caller, that had a bad game in terms suoerbowl.

Hard to do more when you are under pressure majority of the time.

Or is this only an excuse for flacco?

50 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Oh please stop. The defense collapsed after the outage plain & simple. The offense was not on fire like they were the first half and no one argues that, however, anyone with a brain knows that with a 28-3 lead the offense will play differently right? They turn more to trying to take time off the clock. The defense not only let the 49ers catch up but march down the field in the last minutes and be 5 yds from a win. I might add without the offense producing those 6 pts we LOSE. Without a Ray Lewis & Ed Reed that SB ends very differently. Little did we know at the time that such a defensive collapse late would become the norm for Pees.

 

correction the team collapsed not just the defense.

how else would you explain 2 of the niners 4 scoring drives after the outage starting at the ravens 20 and 24 yard line?

well 1 started with the offense going 3 and out while losing 8 yards which resulted in a punt return to the ravens 20 yard line.

the other was a fumble on the 2nd play of the next drive which resulted in the niners starting on the ravens 24 yard line.

pretty insane if you dont consider this collapsing on the offense and special teams part and even more crazy blaming this on the defense...

then lets not forget that at the time the defense also lost this guy named ngata who im pretty sure its not some bum.

but by al means  dont let things that actually happened screw up your argument in your personal vendetta against pees though..

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If that's what we are focusing on fine I messed up. But the outage is still vastly different. We still had momentum and probably don't blow the lead without the outage. The falcons just crapped the bed with a comedy of errors

ow im focusing on the entire season tbh.

both the offense and defense where avg to below avg during the season.

both played ridiculous once the play offs started all the way to the outage.

both where horrible after the outage.

just dont understand why only the offense gets credit.

as for the falcons yeah they shitted the bed hard.

not suprised given how young that defense is though and seeing who they where up against.

as for ryan , he deserves little to no blame tbh based on the standards here.