Tru11

Soooooo any FA news?

hope he comes back and add some experience and depth.

dude was 1 of the better safeties in the league and makes you wonder if we should not have made the move sooner tbh.

this is still some B S

3 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Have to have an offense to let it go.

what offense are you talking about that we let go?

21 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

Clearly the offense didn't since they let a pass blocker go.

And yes, I know what a NT's job is and my exact point is that it's not needed at 11M a year.

One thing being hung up on, it seems, is the fact a NT's job isn't to get sacks.  And I fully agree, which is why I also wouldn't overpay one.  The Ravens have been running a 3-4 for a long time now.  We've seen NTs that actually somewhat contribute in the pass rush.  Constantly underrated Kelly Gregg could get after the QB from the nose position.  3 sacks in 06, 3.5 in 07, missed all of 08 after a microfiber surgery (IIRC) then came back in 09 for another 3 sacks.  This doesn't include pressures, just sacks.  He also ate up blockers in the run game and was a tackling machine.  That's the type of player I give 11M a year to play the nose.

Gregg was underrated yeah but to be fair he had this fella called ngata beside him.

You dont seriously want to suggest that jernigan or guy are on ngata level orso?

Id give 11m to the key piece on the dline.
Back then it was ngata.
Now its williams.

PS: the FO let the RT go not the offense .....

8 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

You're comparing them by pointing out Williams' strength and Wagner's weakness.  It works both ways:

Wagner is on of the best right tackles at pass blocking, meanwhile Williams is in the bottom half of the league at rushing the passer.  The front office has also said they want to get after the QB more..

Yes, the Ravens have replaced RTs relatively well but they've also done the same on the d-line.  Many thought the world was over when Ngata was traded.  Only difference to me is, we've seen Pierce play well in place of Williams.  We haven't seen anyone play well in place of Wagner (Yanda notwithstanding) and we'll be going with a relative unknown there.
 

For the record, I like Williams.  But imo, if you're going to overpay for one of the two, you pick the one that not only caters to the type of league we're in (passing), but the one that better helps your high priced QB investment

Williams was 4th among NT in terms of sacks.

Do you even know what a NT job is?

49 minutes ago, Purple_City39 said:

In a passing league, a QB coming off a historic post season run on his way to superbowl winning MVP becoming the highest paid at his position is market value.

In a passing league, a DT/NT who can only stop the run coming off a season that ended with opposing teams running all over his defense becoming the highest paid at his position is overpaid.

And no, it's not exclusive because if we'd have given Wagner the same contract he received instead of paying Williams, I'd fully agree he earned market value.  Since he's a top end pass blocking RT in a passing league

Did the offense get the memo that its a passing league?

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7 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

10M/yr? Good for Williams. Now he needs to become a total D Tackle for that kind of coin! He needs to learn to penetrate and disrupt the passing game. Stopping the run alone like he was good at was worth probably 7-8M/ yr. The ball's in your court Brandon. Earn your keep.

he plays NT in a 3-4 though.

not DT in a 4-3.

his job is to give other guys 1 on 1 match ups and keep the ILBers as clean as possible so they can make plays.

7 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

True but according to that, Weddle/Webb was already a better safety tandem than Kam/Thomas considering Weddle was well higher than Kam and Thomas had a .1 higher grade. 

 

So if we're keeping Webb for depth then I think it's pretty fair to guess we have the best safety group in the league if not the best duo. 

3 top 15 safeties is pretty crazy with 2 in the top 5. 

If that is all you want to base your argument on then sure.

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Let me rephrase that. If we were going to overpay anyone, I'd rather it be Wagner. In today's NFL pass rushers are beggining to line up on both sides. You need to have a RT that's excellent in pass protection, which Wagner is. 

 

Honestly. I could see our defense being significantly better next season, as not only should we add a pass rusher via the draft, but guys like Kaufausi, Judon, Young, etc will grow. But I am legit worried about the offense.

 

IT doesn't matter who you're QB/RBs are if you don't have a good line to protect them.

he is not overpaid.
Its called market value.

or is this an exclusive argument for just 1 particular person only?

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I don't hate this move entirely. At least Williams is a well above average player. But I would've rather kept Wagner personally. It's more important to keep your QB upright, and also we had Pierce waiting in the wings who had proven to be a capable player last year. Whereas we have an unknown at RT right now. 

 

It's not a move that'll destroy us.. Williams is a good player and even in the modern nfl you need to stop the run. But I personally think us choosing Williams over Wagner is going to come back to bite us. 

williams is among the best at NT.

also who said we picked williams over wagner?
seems to me williams was the only guy left so we went all in him.

if williams signed first somewhere else , we probably would have gone all in on wagner.
 

guess the market value argument only applies to 1 certain player on this team.......

2 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Damon Harrison is a notch above Brandon Williams. He logs more tackles and sacks. Harrison turned around a Giants defense and the team he left got much worse on defense. I am not so sure that would have been the same case with Williams. He would make most teams better on defense, but I don't think the Ravens would have fallen off that much without him. We were all dreading the day Ngata left and we found Williams to replace him.

in 5 seasons harrison has 4 sacks with 2,5 coming as a DT in the 4-3.
in 4 seasons b.williams has 5,5 sacks as a 3-4 NT.

TBH if you compare williams 4 years as a NT to harrison 4 years as a NT with the jets then williams edges out....

also id say that landon collins and signing janoris jenkins while drafting a guy like eli apple played a pretty big role as well.
that JPP fella being a year removed from him hand injury also helped out i guess....

2 hours ago, -Truth- said:

 

Quantifying it as a landslide is hyperbolic.

how many snaps have weddle and jefferson played together that they actually can already be put in the same league as 2 guys who have proved for quite some years now that they are the top safety pair?

all that i see here is that jefferson was pretty good as a SS in arizona while weddle was a beast as a SS here.
im actually quite curious if weddle still has the range to play center field cause that is about the last place i want to see jefferson line up lol

man this some bovine skat

peppers is fast 

10 minutes ago, The Raven said:

What do you mean by "fix" the salary cap? 

there is a clear cap penalties button in madden.

On 4-3-2017 at 1:34 AM, RayRayRaven said:

 

the ru ssians?  not sur key board can fire off almost any character.  its got a board in it and I spilled rootbeer on it a cuple times.

U did wot m8?

4 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Scott was good, but didn't have a great range. He made up for that with very good instincts that allowed him to know where to be right away to not get caught out of position, but was still a liability against the pass if he got behind a WR/TE/RB and couldn't catch them. He probably would have struggled a little bit like Ray did in his older years if the Ravens didn't have as good of a passrush as they did (thanks largely to a young Suggs) and one of the greatest safeties ever behind him. So, I would take Mosley and Orr over Ray and Scott if we've talking combinations rather than just individual players.

you dont need range when you have very good instincts.

range is useless if you dont have any instincts though.

id take very good instincts over range at all times unless im talking madden lol.

20 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

It would probably be the best combo of ILBs in Ravens history. As great as Ray was he never really got paired with an all star. You could even make an argument that Mosley and Orr were the best combination in Ravens' history, and Foster is definitely an upgrade over Orr.

bart scott ?

2 hours ago, mg90 said:

Not that digging deeper is helping, but I'll shoot. How does your "6" key stick when up to that point you hadn't used it once in that post?

do you really wanna know why keys on his keyboard are sticking?

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Nope, you validated what I said.

Thanks

your welcome

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So what was your purpose for posting anything then? Trolling?

If you're goal was to point out that he played different positions, did you somehow think you had some sort of top-secret insider information that nobody else but you was aware of? And then to acknowledge that its really not relevant at all? I mean any way you slice it, you pointed out something, and then acknowledged that what you pointed out didn't really matter.

It seems that you were trolling, caught yourself doing it terribly, then got mad when people pointed it out.

I mean its comical at this point.

On 27-2-2017 at 7:58 AM, hn68wb4 said:

Neither Elam nor Brown were forced to switch position. And I'd argue that Waller's switch was objectively the right move.

Reason i started posting about the different positions.

Anymore more briljant assumptions that you want to share?

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

"i think a lot of things contributed to him not working out with part of it being him not playing his natural position for majority of his career and him not being that smart only adding to it."

Sure you weren't.

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

i think a lot of things contributed to him not working out with part of it being him not playing his natural position for majority of his career and him not being that smart only adding to it.

i can find myself in pretty much everything you said.

But quite frankly i was not debating this at any point though.

I was merely pointing out to some of them here that Elam did not play his natural play that often at all , like they seem to think.

2013 he was the FS and 2014 he played a good part as a corner for the obvious reasons....

no i wasn't as you can clearly read in the bolded part.

i was even agreeing with what he said in the first place.

also what part of that is bolded & underlined cant you comprehend?