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5 hours ago, Edgar said:

Not football film. Oh no, I meant the bachelor.

 

lmao

if we do i hope its to the first pick lol.

might as well do it with a bang

2 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

 

That question is too easy. Brady, Rodgers and Brees are the Top Three. Beyond them an argument can be made that Ben Rottenburger is fourth and when he played Peyton Manning rounded out the Top Five. This brings into focus two interesting points. How did Joe fare in head to head competition against the "Top Five". Also, the only reason Joe has not played in more Super Bowls than he has is he has had to compete against three od the above "Top Five" QBs throughout his career to advance to the SB. Give Joe Flacco a 25 point in a Super Bowl and I think he finds a way to win in unlike Mattie Whats's His Name.

It sounds like you are jealous of Joe Flacco, Mr. Tru11. Get over it. Let me guess. A QB's job is to ............ WIN?????????

If Joe were a Professional Golfer or Tennis Player, I'd give him all the blame for our lack of success in the last two seasons. Last I heard, football is a team sport.

 

Jealous about what?

4 hours ago, Moderator 2 said:

I understand the being in the playoffs once in the last four years is blamed on Flacco BUT Flacco played half a season once and was rehabbing the trashed knee last year.  I've posted this somewhere it takes 18 months to get over the whole knee thing, physically the player is ready but psychologically he may not be.  I forget which home game last year Flacco trashed his knee brace because he went down funny in his slide and hobbled off the field to the tunnel to get it changed out and came out ready to play---as player that has to stick with you.

The revolving door at OC impacts the entire offense and oh boy did it show.  The stupid penalties killed the team as well as QB play.

Personally I like Joe and I know he will never be Peyton or Tom, because franchise QB's of their caliber do not grow on trees or everyone would have one except maybe Cleveland.

we where not in a play off spot when flacco got injured in 2015 nor was he playing good at the time.
the ravens where 3-7 before he got put on IR.

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Yet again, just said he needs to play better, again.  I was just saying even as bad as he did play....I believe Jimmy going down kept us out of the playoffs, our defense was that good with him on the field.  The last half of the season Joe improved his play as someone pointed out, our defense fell off the face of the earth. 

Joe needs to play better

Joe needs to improve

Joe was not good last year

........am I going to have to say it again?

Joe needs to play better. 

I don't believe our playoff hopes are solely on Joe. 

Predicting something 9 months out when you don't even know what are team will look like is just illogical

based on the fact that we have spend almost 50% of our cap on offense and have spend our high picks in the last 2 drafts mostly on offense , i come to have high expectations for that unit.
there are only 11 teams who are spending more on offense so an offense barely cracking the top 20 is just not going to cut it.

the QB is the most important player on offense and even on the team.
if he plays bad the offense has no chance so safe to say he is that important to what how that unit will play.
when you then also consider that flacco has the 2nd highest cap hit in the entire NFL then you can say a lot is expected from him.
he is getting paid to carry this team so he should.

there are only 3 teams spending less on defense so  im actually tempering my expectations for them.

pretty logical so far imo.

then when you consider the amount of picks we have , how many of them become immediate contributors on offense/defense and the amount of vets we bring that make a significant impact at this point , its safe to say that you can make a pretty good guess at the shape of our roster already.

majority of the 53 man squad is already on the team.
barring injuries i think at least 8 out of 11 starters on defense are set in stone with at least 1 guy we know will be the 3rd corner.
losing any of them will lead to a downgrade and thus will put more pressure on flacco and the offense.

maybe you are totally clueless on who will be on the team but i already have a pretty good idea on who will be on it or at least has a very high chance to make it.

considering the make up of this team and the importance of the QB position and  the often used its a passing league , id dare to say to QB play will play a huge role in if we are play off bound or not.

the only way we make the play offs with flacco playing badall season is if we get a 2000 yard caliber RB (committee) and the defense playing like the 2000 unit for 16 games for the entire game and not just 3 quarters lol

11 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

No one has implied either of those things

then what is the point of disagreeing with me when i say he needs to play better?

just replies for the sake of defending flacco even though you agree?

7 minutes ago, Adreme said:

Yes but the offense is literally just Flacco vs 11 defenders.  Receivers needed to get separation, the run blocking needed to actually well exist which caused the running game to not exist, the pass blocking got better towards the end of the year but thats about it.  

so he played good in your eyes last season?
no need to improve at all ?

PS: that is some utter disrespect for yanda tbh and stanley played pretty darn good as well.
flacco vs 11 really?

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I literally just said, he needs to play better.  I believe we would of made the playoffs if Jimmy smith didn't go down

so when my point is that flacco needs to play better for us to make the play offs its ignorant , yet you yourself say he needs to play better.
interesting.

you do know that if he played better last season we would have made the play offs regardless of jimmy going down right?

offense was the biggest issue last season and im pretty sure jimmy does not play offense....

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51 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im already happy with the improvements made on defense.  We added a reliable #2cb and a very talented safety.  Where did I say Joe would keep playing the same?  I have said numerous times that I think his injury really affected Joe last year.  We will have a very different team than we did last year, rookies will have more experience, we will have a break out player somewhere, we still have a full draft and some off-season cuts are still to be made.... But yea, lets think this is our team...in March.  Sounds logical

Im not saying prepare for the playoffs, but to say to prepare to miss the playoffs is just asinine.   

i did not randomly posted what you quoted.
it was a reply to a question the person i quoted  asked.

if flacco keeps playing as bad as he has been doing then i dont see how we make the play offs.
 

do you think the ravens are a playoff team if flacco plays like he did in 2015 and 2016?

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

or you're a steelers fan ...

steelers fans are the ones who think flacco is doing just fine the way he played the last 2 seasons or heck last 3 out 4 seasons since winning the SB.

14 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Don't you think its pretty ignorant to say this....in March?

Did Joe kill your dog or something?

not really.

3 out of the last 4 years we missed the play offs and flacco was bad all 3 of those seasons.

so if he keeps playing the same then the odds are we will miss the play offs again.

its ignorant to think that if he keeps playing this bad that we are a playoff team.

unless you think that ozzie will fill all the holes with topnotch talent and pees will have this defense play like a top 5 unit for all 16 games from start to finish....

our ticket to the play offs are in his hand and he is getting paid to carry this team.
if he does not play better im not confident at all that we will be play off bound.

 

7 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

it almost feels like you want this to happen...

sure that is why i want flacco to play better rather then make excuses and act like he is playing like a top tier QB.......

52 minutes ago, berad said:

Okay so that goes back to my original points:

Does he need to play better? Yes. Everyone and their mom has come to that conclusion.

Will he be on the team for the foreseeable future? Yes. The team still has a lot of confidence in him and his contract is structured in such a way that it makes it harmful to cut him, anyways.

Beyond those two points, what is there to talk about? 100+ pages worth? At least we don't see the phrases 'deer in the headlights', 'can't/won't win the big game', etc anymore.

If he played like he normally does, as you say, what are we to do?

prepare to miss the play offs again.

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The slightest criticism is met a flurry of excuses. This thread doesn't really have an in-between. It's either people who really hate Joe or people who absolutely love Flacco and would go to the end of the Earth to defend him. Very few in betweens.

dont forget that those excuses are only exclusive to him as well.

god forbid you use them for others QBs or even other ravens players lol.

1 hour ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

The glaring and obvious disparity between his YPA in 2016 vs. other years is simply a function of two things. One is executing the play called. The second is dumping the ball off to a sure-handed back, like Juice was and Danny Woodhead will be, when nobody else can gain separation. That being said, there were a number of times when Joe pulled the trigger prematurely 'cause he was afraid of having someone crash into his left leg. When will some of his most ardent critics get it? A receiver's job is "see the ball; catch the ball." That's not what Aiken, Moore, Waller, Perriman and Wallace have demonstrated they can do consistently. Again, Justin Tucker appears to have better hands. Until and unless Ozzie fills the holes in the offensive line and brings in some stud wide receivers, nothing as in nada will change. You criticize Joe for having tunnel vision and throwing too many times to Dennis. Besides Dennis, who is Joe's Go To man/ The answer is clear. It was Steve Sr.. Now its .............????????????????? Fill in the blank and we can put this to bed.

quite curious if you also know what the QBs job is.

interesting how you always manage to list everyone else job and what they are supposed to do except the highest paid position in the NFL.....

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

I totally disagree.  My comparison is a cross between Barry Sanders and Wes Welker. They both had little room to work with, but, they made their separation. Detroit's line was always one of the worst in the entire NFL, yet, Barry made plays.  And yes, I compared him to a HOF player. This is my opinion and I am sticking to it, as I am seldom ever wrong.

barry sanders?

arguably the best RB ever barry sanders?

51 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

McCaffery can play multiple positions, and play them at the highest level. He can play slot. outside, returner. and running back. He creates mismatches and would be a joy for any coordinator.

 

so dude is an all pro already without even taking a snap in the NFL yet?

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This is kinda where I'm at with it in a way. The front office, in my opinion, must believe one of three things.

1. The Ravens aren't capable of developing young receivers. I would have believed this very much during the tenure of Jim Hostler and that would be supported by always bringing in these older, established veterans, but I just don't see it now. Engram is a really great receivers coach and we've seen great strides from players like Aiken and Perriman. I think if Engram were really given a bonafide star in the draft to work with (like Mike Williams), he could coach out any deficiencies and turn him into a superstar in the league.

2. The Ravens think Joe can do it all on his own and doesn't need a supporting cast around him. This one is just total bogus no matter who the quarterback is, except for one. I have only ever seen Andrew Luck do so much more with so much less and he was quite possibly the greatest draft prospect in NFL history, so we know that this isn't true.

3. The Ravens believe that no matter who they put out there, Joe is going to look exactly like he has for his entire career. Now, I know Joe hasn't had the greatest group of receivers in the world, but it seems that no matter who's out there, Joe is going to just make the same mistakes and the same throws. It doesn't matter if he has a Gronk or Julio; he's going to be who he is. He's gone through so many receivers, different offensive coordinators, and different philosophies and he's still playing the exact same. Sure, maybe if he had Gronk, Julio, Megatron, AJ Green, and Bell in their primes, he might be lighting up the stat sheet, but no quarterback has anything close to that.

I think the front office is resigned to the idea of giving Joe just enough to work with and not leaving him out to dry, but not hinging all their money on a receiver/tight end group that'd rival the best in the league because Joe is still going to be Joe no matter who is out there. 

pretty much.

2 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

I can agree with that. I just hope the offense get's sorted when it's all said and done. After the last 2 seasons there is certainly reason to be on edge about the lack of help Joe is getting. The Patriots for example have a QB that can make do with limited talent and they are still out here bolstering their weapons, trading for Bennett a year ago and then trading for Cooks this year. Where is that type of initiative in our front office to help Joe? You have to score points to win in this league nowadays.

I think we should've chose between Jefferson or Brandon Williams, not both. That money could've gone a long way on the offensive side of the ball where it is desperately needed. We're talking about a unit that lost 3 of it's best starters and was pretty awful to begin with. The defense was already top 5 in the league, I think we could've used the draft to plug some pieces in there instead of ponying up so much money there in FA. Considering this is a defense heavy draft that would've made a lot more sense to spend on the offense in FA and draft defensive help.

 

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Ozzie & Eric have a plan for the offense and it just hasn't come to fruition yet. I sure hope that's the case.

even if you combine the defense and special teams , the offense still has over 23 mil off the cap tied into them..

offense 83 mil
defense 53 mil
ST 8.4 mil.

maybe the offense just needs to start pulling their weight rather then needing huge investments again...

also i dont get using the pats as an example.
the way brady has been playing it makes sense to give him all he needs.
you know he is going to come out and play like MVP for majority of the games from week 1 all the way to the SB.

with flacco you dont know what you get on a weekly basis in the regular season but you do know that he steps up his game in the play offs.
makes more sense to build a team that can carry him to the play offs and he then takes over rather then build a team that relies on him to get them to the play offs.

Just now, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I do agree with the opportunity part. Jimmy is a far better player than Wright but only the games he is on the field the Games Jimmy is not on the field he is not making ANY PLAYS!!! that's a FACT but that goes for anyone (ex: Mo Claiborne) Guy just cant seem to stay healthy and rides the bench quite frequently.  That's the point I was trying to make. I would much rather pay a guy like Carr who plays on game day and contributes more than a younger talent who cant even stay on the field. I cant argue and wont try to argue that Wright is better than Jimmy. Wright is a good football player obviously he is in the NFL but just my opinion that's why the rookie Young out played him last season and took his starting role.

The games wright was playing he wasn't making any plays either.
Not much difference then jimmy not playing and thus not making any plays.

ill go on record and say that jimmy is a far better player then wright even when jimmy isn't playing and wright is lol

carr has been the better player though and i dont think its only due to his health.

unless the trade comes with him agreeing to an extension at a reasonable price , i would not give up a 3rd rounder.

not worth risking losing him after the season in a bidding war.

6 minutes ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

Not beat a dead horse but Carr is on the field because he just does not seem to be injury prone. You and I and most people on these boards know that a guy on the field makes a heck of a lot more plays than one riding the pine pony! lol just a pure and simple FACT.....

a guy on the field has the opportunity to make more plays.
does not mean he will.

just take wright and jimmy last season.
wright played 707 snaps (673 defense 34 ST) while jimmy only played 582 snaps( all defense)

you really wanna argue that its a FACT that wright made more plays then jimmy?

35 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

I can't believe y'all like this signing more than if we got Mo. Ozzie been talking all off season about adding playmakers, instant coffee, etc. Carr is not a playmaker! This whole thread keeps repeating how great it is that he is reliable and not an injury risk. Why does that matter if this guy doesn't make plays when on the field? He has had like 2 picks over the last 3 years! At least Mo had talent and upside, Carr is old and you know exactly what you are going to get which is average. But it's cool because he will "stay on the field". That 6 mil a year could have gone to King Dunlap to fix the line and then take a corner in the draft since it's such a deep class! This and the Woodhead signing were wasted money imo. 

in 5 seasons claiborne has 4 picks.
in 5 seasons with the cowboys carr has 7 picks.

seems to me carr made more plays based on your idea of what a playmaker should be....

5 hours ago, The Raven said:

we've got a lot of money tied up in the secondary right now. Anyone at all worried about all the money tied up in the defense?

not at all.

the offense still has about 30 mil more tied up into them.

we actually have at this point the 4th cheapest defense in the NFL lol

39 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Neither did Emmauel Sanders before he was signed to The Broncos. My point isn't that Claiborne hasn't shown to be injury prone so far in The NFl but my point is that he's too talented or his upside is too good for The Ravens to not give him a shot. The Ravens are still going to draft  a cornerback in this year draft regardless on who they sign but again that shouldn't stop them from signing Claiborne. Caliborne may end up signing with The Ravens then up playing in every game and become the outside corner The  Ravens been missing since Corey Graham .

sanders played in all 16 games in 2012 and 2013 before going to the broncos in 2014.
he played in 16 games as well in his rookie season only missing 3 games.
played in 12 games his 2nd season missing only 5 games.

he actually only missed 8 out of 68 games as a steeler.

how on earth can you even use him to make  your point about claiborne ?

ps: 2010 and 2011 the steelers where in the play offs and sanders played in those game.
 

29 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I know Anquan Boldin was able to stay fairly healthy with The Ravens and he was injury prone in the past. The Ravens have a new strength and conditioning  coach which may help with the durability of some players that are already on the team and for free agents such as Morris Claiborne.  The Ravens need better talent at the cornerback position and it is indeed quite clear that Claiborne hasn't been dependable in the past but that doesn't mean he won't be in the future.. I don't think the guy is worth 7 million a year but he's definitely worth the risk to try out and see if it''s possible the team can get more out of him than The Cowboys.

he has never played a full season in his career and its pretty much guaranteed that someone in the ravens secondary will get injured lol.

i would not bet on claibourne not getting injured.