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7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

No I would blame the O-line for pass blocking so poorly that it affects the QB. You have never seen a game where Brady gets consistent pressure put on him? It affects him even when he has a clean pocket. Can't judge a position group or player on one play and not take everything else into account.

Then it becomes what is wrong with the O-line. If a ton of resources have been put into the group, I would put that on coaching for not coaching them up. If the team decided to go full Seattle and ignore the group, I'd blame the FO for ignoring the group or not being able to pick good players for the position if the coaching is not at fault(granted there is no way to truly know this without being in the building all the time). I mean sure the line should not give up pressure but we don't go into the season wanting the group to be bad so somewhere along the line mistakes were made. I mean the QB is getting hit so often he can't trust his blockers. That is a significant problem and just putting that on the QB is really ignoring much of what is going on. Instead of asking what or who, the question should be why?

you will blame the oline when they are actually allowing no pressure and are giving the QB a clean pocket to throw the ball?

that sounds really fair...

PS: i like  how you are trying to justify flacco throwing off his backfoot.
A QB setting his feet is 1 of the most elemantry things a QB is supposed to do.
No difference then a defender knowing how to tackle....

 

1 minute ago, Davesta said:

Tucker and flacco should just switch contracts. I'm not sure who's more valuable 

contracts are touchy subject in regard to flacco lol.

20 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

If he is anticipating pressure being there due to being hit so often and doesn't have pressure for once but thinks he may, I'd find it hard to criticize the guy. You see ghosts when you are always getting hit.

a 9 year pro anticipating pressure should be able to come up with a better solution then just throwing it off his back  without any defender near him.

so you actually want to blame ozzie because flacco is seeing ghosts?

10 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

LOL. 

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the defense held opponents to 10 Ppg. 

 

That being said. I doubt our offense could score that

Tucker can kick from midfield.

1 deep pass to either of the WRs with a convenient PI and we are fine lol

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

In terms of the offensive line, C and RT are concerns, but no one expects Stanley or Lewis to make big leaps in year 2? Stanley was a monster towards the end of the year and qualified as one of the best LTs in the final 4 weeks of the season and Lewis was a solid pass blocking guard, I do anticipate he will make improvements in the run game. I think this OL will be just fine, I don't think it will be near as bad as the 2013 OL. 

roman might also be an upgrade over castillo in the way we want our o-line to operate.

injuries to yanda or stanley would spell real disaster at this point.

15 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Well if one side does it, I guess that makes it okay for you to do it right? You ever hear the saying that if you argue with a moron you will lose because they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience? That is what you do when you throw excuses out there like that, drop yourself to their level. I won't bring up too much politics but I will say that people who talk like this in politics really make me mad. Have some integrity in yourself and don't let others dictate how you argue. There are people biased against the defense, plenty of others who aren't. Maybe you should appeal to those people in your arguments as opposed to looking just as bad.

I try to be fair in my judgments based on what I see. I can be wrong, I can be right. I don't treat both sides differently however and ask the offense to do more than they can while giving the defense a pass every time someone gets a broken nail. I give the defense a pass when nothing is there like 2014, I was a bit harsher in 2015 when I saw better talent and the injury bug hit mainly the offense but maybe I am wrong, they did pretty well for a good chunk of last year. I will say there is no excuse this year with all that talent but I think that is a given unless we get crazy injuries again.

As for offense, they haven't been this concerning since 2013 and it is going to be really hard for me to judge anyone with this current group right now. Flacco to me is what he has usually been which is inconsistent but on when it matters. But the coaches are going to have their work cut out for them in developing the WRs and O-line and should get some leeway. We don't have a reliable chain mover and have 2 holes in the O-line. That is an issue considering our only big passing options are speed threats and we will probably struggle having time for the deep routes to develop. I don't care if certain players have starting experience, so does Elam, you wanna give him a spot? If people want to criticize the offense for every speedbump they hit this year then they are no better than the ones you hate so much.

so you think its fair to blame ozzie when flacco throws off his back foot with no pressure what so ever?

cause i specifically gave that as an example of when i  will criticize him.
i also said i wont criticize him if he is throwing off his back foot cause a defender is in his face right off the snap.

what exactly is not fair in this way of thinking?

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

The defense has never ever been this patchworked. Ever. 

what patchwork are you talking about?

QB RB TE are set.
FB is not that big of an issue either and boyle should be able to fill it in.
Blocking  FBs should not be hard to find either.

WR we have Wallace Perriman Moore and Camp for now.
Camp needs to stay healthy.
Moore should be better going into year 2 and the team seems to be high on him.
Wallace is a vet who was pretty darn good last season.
Perriman is a 1st round pick going in year 3, its about time he becomes a starter and at least be 1 of the best #2 receivers in the game.
Depth could be had from FA in the form of boldin perhaps or some cuts by other teams or any TC suprises.

Oline we have 3 starters returning in Stanley Yanda and Lewis.
We have 3 guys with starting experience in hurst jensen and urschel.
Drafted a rookie that could start right away in Siragusa.
Promising guys in Nembot and Wesley according to the team.
FA options like Mangold Dunlap and perhaps more when cuts are made.

Nothing is set at this point but i dont see the sky falling at all.
In order to find young quality players , you need to actually start playing these guys and give them a shot to show they are starters.
How do you want to find a late round gem like brown if you discard them from the start.

Its about time these coaches start developing these young players and its about time these young players start to develop in starting caliber/depth players.

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah, what I liked was how aware and mature he sounds as a pass rusher, he talks like a vet.

for sure man.

really impressed with his answers.

we get a high pick

18 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

http://draftbreakdown.com/exclusive-interview-with-alabamas-tim-williams/

excellent read

This still some BS...

6 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Uh no, the offense has it's share of holes this year and people shouldn't flip out if they aren't the 2016 Falcons. Honestly if the group is even average I will be happy. You have given the defense plenty of passes due to not enough talent in the past(with plenty of high draft picks being misses), would be silly to not do the same with the offense.

The defense on the other hand needs to be top 5 for us to have a chance this year and they have talent to very realistically make that happen. Maybe if the FO decided to add a bunch of FAs and spend the first 4 picks on offense you can do this whole no excuses stuff with that group but anyone with a brain can tell the defense has more talent than the offense and will need to make up the difference for the Ravens in general to be good.

uh no.

none of you agreed with me and a select few  for giving the defense a pass in the past.

so its pretty hypocrite to now want us to do just that for the offense....

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 5:44 AM, arnie_uk said:

In fairness any issue with the offense has to land squarely on Ozzies shoulders 

depends on the issues.

if flacco still has his crappy footwork  like the past 2 season then its his fault.
if his footwork is poor because there is someone in his face in under a second because oliners mis their block then you can look at Ozzie and the oline coach.

blaming poor player execution on the GM is anything but fair tbh.

no different then blaming flacco or the GM for a receiver dropping a wide open pass with nobody around.

we did in fact spend some high picks on offense the past seasons and did bring in some FA.
at some point it has to pay out ( looking at perriman and maxx in particular)

2 hours ago, Static said:

I dont have a problem with this draft but IF the offense sputters this season i don't want anyone saying anything about Joe Flacco.

already making excuses and we aint even at TC.....

1 minute ago, arnie_uk said:

In agreement on both then haha

tbh im really not worrying that much.

flacco seems to play much better when he has veteran players around him with just a few inexperienced players.

there will still be cuts so we might find some guys who will fit in.

heck barnidge just got cut who would be an upgrade over what we have at TE for instance.

3 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

And your offense mood just for giggles 

mood right now : 

26 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

You're wrong. when different teams win the SB they have different approaches and will always have completely different stats.
We would never have stats anywhere close to say the Saints when they win the SB.
That doesn't mean what so ever that a player like Howard would be more valuable to them in their run then he would to us.

dude you make no sense.

a team that wants to pass alot and focus on their TE to be the machtup nightmare will place more value on OJ then a team that wants to run the ball and use the TE more for blocking on run/pass plays and as the check down option.

Scheme plays a big part in deciding the value of a player.

the more a player fits what you want to do the higher the value.

Just look at jimmy graham.

3 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

you mean every wr in the division? lol
NFL teams don't agree? nothing more to add? LOL
Cuz all drafts, or wait any, end up anything close to an actual snake of overall talent and production when all is said and done? Cman Man.
Just watch, Tabor's and Awuzie's career will blow Marlon's away. Just a fun little thing for both of us to watch over the next couple years at least.
And I know what you're saying. But that's not what I'm saying. I don't know why people still get caught up with stats. Especially with football.
It doesn't matter if OJ goes to Tampa Bay and catches 95 balls for 1450 yards and 12 tds, or catches 65 with us for 900 yards and 9 scores. He's going to block the same, and be the same dominant overall type of player for his team. He would have the same impact regardless of stats. His impact towards helping us win would be the same. Every team has different styles and stats. Stats never tell the whole story. Not even close.

his impact is clearly not the same if there is such a big difference in stats when on different teams while the way he plays remains the same.

those stats you listed could be pretty much the difference between all pro and pro bowl.

according to you he would be an all pro with the bucs and just a pro bowler here.

pretty much a difference in impact.

Just now, sizzlingdoom said:

Well, I myself have faith in Jimmy playing one on one.
And Tavon.
And I don't think I'm alone with that opinion
Tavon proved himself last year. He ran with and covered AB down the field, and shut down Eifert from the goaline. As a rookie.
Carr is going to be much better than people expect too. He was a baller in KC as the # 2. Then he went to Dallas as the number 1 and was not bad when they did not have any pass rush. I think Carr was a really good grab.
And that's obviously not a relevant statement. Maybe 1 or 2 corners on the planet can try to stay with OBJ or Julio

every corner in the NFL at some point got safety help.

so what is exactly the issue if marlon gets that in his rookie season?

even jimmy had help at times last season.

if you have faith in those guys going 1 on 1 than what is the problem with a safety giving help to marlon?

you plan on blitzing the safeties all the time leaving everyone else in 1 on 1?
you plan on going with 0 coverage all the time?

what exactly do you plan to do with the safeties if they are not supposed to provide help to anyone?

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think it creates a lot of opportunities for turnovers. With dean pees defense we can sit the safety 10-15 yards deep, let them read and react, and Humphrey should be able to do what he does best and come downhill without having to worry.

The qb will have no choice but to throw in front of Humphrey because you'd be an idiot to try to squeeze a touch throw in front of a Webb or weddle who is sitting back with time to react, and behind a corner who's covering shallow. You gotta put air under it to get it in that window in between and you just can't put hangtime in a ball in front of our safeties. 

The more you think about it the more this pick makes sense, he just fits and brings us something we have lacked, the ability to stop the underneath quick passes.

yup exactly just that.

with jefferson and mosley probably taking care of the middle , jimmy and marlon should force receivers to the inside and any pass over the top is for weddle/webb.

all those guys are solid tacklers so  i could see a lot of short gains with little yac.

with jimmy and marlon press ability they could route receivers to where we want them to go.

if we had bad safeties i would be  second guessing this pick but we have 3 of the best so im really not that worried about big plays unless pees goes for all out blitzes all the time orso lol

8 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

So anytime Marlon is on the field, we'll just make sure Weddle always has to cover him over the top? what a plan

even when marlon is not on the field i expect a safety over the top .

nothing radical about this tbh.

quite frankly i expect any defender not named jimmy to get safety help if they have to cover the opponent top receiver.

heck i could even see jimmy get help from time to time if has to go against guys as good as OBJ and julio tbh.

4 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I definitely do not expect that from Marlon. I expect him to get torched if he plays any 1 on 1 this year. Esp. vs Brown, Green, Ross, Bryant, Coleman. And those are just guys in our division.
And no, I've been a huge fan for about 12 years.
There are 4-6 corners that are better that are still on the board. We could've picked one of them today, while at the same time already having a pro bowl Center, RT, or Guard-Lamp
or an All Pro TE- OJ......but I already know the response there-
"we have a top 10 te group"
Pitta- my sister blocks better. overrated as a receiver, predictable handicap
Gilmore- can't get on the field
Watson- too old and coming off devastating injury
Maxx- A bust and " not strong enough" after his 2nd year in the league..........LOL REALLY?
Boyle- A good back up that was suspended most of the year
Waller-"potential" and everyone knows he's not a TE

Amazing to me that are fans are still enamored with the "potential" word

im pretty sure that if humphrey get to cover any of those receivers he will get safety help over the top.

if those CBs where better then him they would have gone in round 1 to and probably before him.
NFL teams dont agree with you.
nothing more to add to this.

also nobody is denying that OJ is a very talented TE.
But what makes you think that his talent would translate to being an all pro on the ravens?

for someone that says he has been a ravens fan for 12 years i really wonder based on what do you think we would all of sudden have the offense that gets players to  be considered an all pro?

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I've seen the jimmy smith comp from day one, but jimmy had to develop a lot to be who he is now, so we're banking on a big development. I think Humphrey has a chance to be really special but there's also a chance that he struggles badly for a good amount of time. 

True but good thing he is on the same team as jimmy lol.

If both are willing then it should cut the time it takes for humphrey to develop.

i could see jimmy mentoring him and trying to get him up the speed as soon as possible.
being similar is big plus in this area.

also having weddle and jefferson at safety should be a huge bonus as well.

im really looking forward to how this secondary will play out.

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

One thing is for sure about this pick, he fits. I don't like the downside but in our system he can shine. We like top down attacking coverage and he does that better than any corner in the draft. We have the safety help to ease him into it. 

And thank god, we have a corner who can stop the quick pass, finally. Hot read to Edelman on the blitz? Meet Humphrey, coming in like a missile to ruin your day. 

But then again... play action deep shot and "welcome to the NFL marlon Humphrey" in the worst way... I hope he gets his head in the game and learns how to stay patient

good thing we have weddle , webb and jefferson lol.

both webb and weddle can play the centre field role and provide help over the top.

jefferson could possibly do that as well.

could see the ravens press the outside receivers before passing them to the safeties giving the opponent very tight windows to fit the ball in while also disrupting any timing and giving the pass rusher a lil bit more time to get there.

with the safeties we have i feel we dont have to worry about the deep ball that much unless we plan on leaving him on an island from the start.
only way i see that happening is if we are again forced to send blitzes to get any kind of pressure.