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2 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

That's not true. We just need to get healthy and take care of our division foes which are as much or more of a mess than we are. If Jimmy gets healthy, and we can somehow find a way to score more than 20 a game, we will be extremely dangerous come playoff time. A lot of things to iron out though and it seems like Harbaugh and Flacco are in control of most of that

in the play offs we will be playing good teams and not the cleveland browns lol.

would be nice if you did not kid during the games as well.

8 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

Either the coaching and game planning is piss poor or our players just aren't as good as we'd like them to be or think that they are.

Cause to me...needing 15 yrds and throwing for 11 and "expecting" the receiver to beat the defender(s) for the remaining 4 yards (when teams actually punt on 4th & 1) is ridiculous.  

hitting them in stride goes a long way to getting those YAC.
anything other then that you wont make it unless you go SS like smitty and break a few tackles lol.

what this team seems to miss at this point is a guy like rice who could take a checkdown and then make the first defender miss and pick up extra yards.

teams will take away the deep and intermediate routes on 3rd and long which leaves short routes and checkdowns as the option.
you either need to hit the guy running the short route in stride or you need a checkdown back who is elusive and create plays by himself.

7 hours ago, redlobster said:

Did correa play at all ?

yup.

he was the guy that forgot to set the edge and contain elliot on the cowboys last drive where he bounced outside and picked up some good yards 

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

Jimmy Smith is the most important player on the defense. It's hilarious that this forum still hates him.

yup.

1 minute ago, loveravensfootball said:

We had four possessions in the second half. One ended due to a penalty, one ended in a TD and one was the last possession of the game. The defense didn't leave the offense much time to work with on the clock after we scored the Smith TD and Dallas responded with a drive that killed all but 1:40/1:50 left in the game and down two scores. If we hold them or keep them from kicking a field goal, maybe Flacco gets us down the field. Maybe we score again but that's a what if game.

 

All I'm saying is you can't win if you don't stop the opposing team and you don't have the ball.

you also cant win if your offense cant sustain drives nor cant  score any points.

5 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Hey bro ,Flacco can't touch the ball if the Cowboys don't punt ...... for an entire half. 

Has he lived up to his contract?   I would say no  but dont blame this defeat on him .

pretty sure he can after the cowboys score some point and they dont go onside and get it or we dont turn it over on  the kick off lol

i feel a merge with the flacco thread coming.

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Just to add fuel to the fire, vertical is more important when you are talking about a difference of 3" or so, imo.  I had about a 37" vertical when I played ball but im short, I could easily out rebound guys taller than me. 

stop playing with bums and find better players?

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not like there's more to it, like vertical jumping ability, timing, concentration, or anything like that...

I never said he should have a massive advantage, but you said he should be better at it because he's taller, which equates to height being an advantage. I'm saying two inches is an inconsequential advantage.

From your post, anyone would rightfully infer that you are implying that height is an advantage. You can say something without saying it. That's one neat trick with the English language.

height is an advantage.

a taller person supposed to have and advantage over a smaller person in a jump ball situation.

that advantage should increase when the difference in height increases.

a 6`2 WR going against a 6`0 corner should have an advantage over a 6`0 WR going against a 6`0 corner.

if you are 5`10 would you rather go up against OBJ , AJ Green or Calvin Johnson in a jump ball situation?

59 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

Here- I'll break it down for you post by post.

As for your first post about mentioning nine weeks, you mentioned that Torrey's first two seasons would blow Perriman's out of the water. People retorted, rightfully so, that Perriman has played a whole nine games, thus making the whole idea of comparing 38 games to 9 (including the playoffs) an extremely unfair advantage clearly tipped in the favor of Torrey.

As for consistency, this goes back to the third post. You asked if it ever happened with Torrey. Torrey certainly had an impressive catch here or there, but it was with no consistency that he made these catches. Breshad has made several in nine short games (with no TC to boot), so this is where the idea of consistency comes into play. Perriman is doing it more frequently in nine games than Torrey did in four seasons in Baltimore. Also, again, the post about nine games comes into play because it's very impressive to see a receiver who was considered incredibly raw make some of the plays he did only nine games into his career.

And I'm about to drop a real groundbreaking bomb here for you... Sometimes when you make a post, people will give a retort that fits the context of the post, but not necessarily use the same wording. BOOM. Amazing. What's even crazier is that you don't even have to ask an a question to get a reply. Mind is blown. WOW.

Now, why are the above different than you asking the question about all passes to Torrey being perfect? Since this discussion started today, no one (that I saw, I know I definitely didn't) mentioned quarterback play. We're talking about their play independent of the quarterback, so there's zero chance you could even make an inference about anyone saying Torrey had perfect quarterback play or anything close. 

Do you now understand how a message board works?

you dont decide for me what my intention is with any post.

my question was related to what i quoted and that alone.

that is the point of using quotes.

you quote the part that you want to reply to.

unlike you i dont have the passion nor the dedication to keeps tabs on what everyone is saying at any point in any thread.

i quote what i want to reply to and go with that.

my discussion was with the mod and my question thus was directed at him based on what he said in that specific text that i quoted.

if you want to jump in and make up your own stuff based on what you think someone else meant then thats on you.
unless you can quote specifically where i said anything that you used in your awnser to my questionn that was not directed at you, dont go and put words in my mouth on what you think that i meant.

if i want to ask a general question i will do that , if i want to be very specific i will do that just.
english is not my first language but its not so bad that i need people like you to decide what i meant or what i dont meant.

29 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

I'll just leave this here.

uhhh that actually looks bad.

the offense has been downright pathetic so im not sure what he was saying to get this offense going cause the only place they went so far is nowhere.....

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So why is Darren Waller not better at that than OBJ (5'11")?

Also, I think the height difference is 1-2 inches, so nothing so significant that it'd give him a massive advantage 

ask darren waller that.

he should be able to win any jump ball situation over OBJ.
if he cant then its on him.

again why are you putting words in my mouth?
where did i say he should have a massive advantage?

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

You talked about Torrey's first two seasons, but since Perriman has played nine games, as others have pointed out, we should look at nine games, in regards to your latest question.

Also, it isn't about nine games. I was saying, as others have, that Torrey didn't make these catches in four seasons here WITH four TCs, but Perriman does it in nine games (really one) with no TCs.

Understanding the thread as a whole is important for every post.

i dont see myself asking any question in this quote.

i dont even see the word consistency or mentioning of 9 weeks in that quote.

again where did i use any of the words you used in your awnser to the question i did not ask.
not even the person i asked the question to used any of those words.

seems to me you are just using your creative to put words in my mouth.

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Quote where I said that

quote where my question contained anything regarding consistency or just perriman first 9 weeks.

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The diving sideline catch vs the Bills. The TD vs the Browns. The diving 1st down catch over the middle against i forget who. The crossing route that he took for 30 yds against the Browns. The great catch where unfortunately he just couldnt get his second toe in bounds....

dear god have we sunken so low that people are now impressed with catches that are not inbound?

also i take any of torrey 2 TDs against champ in the afc championship game over those you have described.
id take torrey game winning TD against the steelers at heinz field after he had a big drop on the previous play.

his entire performance against the pats on the day his brother died is probably the most impressive game i ever seen a ravens receiver play given the circumstances.
interestingly in that game he made a great leaping TD catch high pointing the ball.
he also had a pretty nice run after the catch.
not to mention he made a pretty good diving catch that went for a TD with a defender all over him.

 

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

No. No ones saying the extreme statements youre trying to insinuate. 

What does feel noticeable from the eye ball test is that Perriman has a similar ability to Torrey to use his speed to get over top of guys and beat them deep for catches and potentially PIs.

What hes also shown quite a bit of, which we rarely if ever got out of Torrey, is an ability to high point a ball and pluck it away from a defender, adjust his body in mid-air to react to balls thrown outside his body, contort and extend to widen his catch radius, use his size/strength to box out and position himself to make catches that the defender wont be able to defend... 

Torrey did a few things really well. But there were other things he didnt do well at all. Perriman has shown glimpses of being able to do the things Torrey did well, maybe just as well, but has definitely already shown an ability to do the things Torrey could not for whatever reason.

so you are confirming that torrey did indeed face the situations that perriman has faced as in the mods description?

yes or no is enough.

also perriman is taller then torrey.
he is supposed to be better at high pointing a ball and take it away from a defender.

 

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

With consistency, especially nine games into his career? Nah

so every pass that went torrey way was perfect?

33 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Go back and watch the tape, even though I think you're more of a stat guy, which is cool. However go back and watch the first game vs Cle. Perriman had Haden beat on 4 different plays, but the disconnect between he and Flacco caused incomplete passes. On Handen's pick in the end zone, Perriman had him beat but Flacco under threw the ball. That's just one example, but watch the games and focus on him you'll see. 

Again to compare him and Torrey right now on stats alone yes, it's Torrey hands down and it's foolish to say anything less. Also I'm not knocking Torrey, I was a huge fan of Torrey, but the fact is he didn't develop into that #1 the Ravens had hoped. Can Perriman we'll see, but you can already start to see how he'll be a threat at every level of the defense if that light finally clicks. Could we ever say that about Torrey?

 

So the situations you just described never happend with torrey?

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

As of now, you'd be comparing 38 total games (including playoffs) to 9.  So yeah, Torrey would blow just about any WR out the water in that comparison.

I also agree that people shouldn't hate on Torrey.  He was great for Baltimore.  I also agree that Perriman has already made plays that we never saw Torrey make

plays like?

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, I don't think he does.

so ray lead by example and lead by being vocal and flacco has done neither this season.

Yet ray is wrong?

flacco has preformed as he should?

12 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I don't think it's a shot of true. Even in a small sample size, very rarely have we seen Torrey make the type of catches that Perriman has or in the Was game made but didn't get his feet down. Even though there's much work to be done still, we never saw Torrey win on routes the way Perriman is and that's still a area of concern for him. He has beaten guys like Norman, Haden, Revies and some other good young DBs. Torrey beat you with speed and I loved him for it but he never really figured out how to use that speed to win on short and intermediate routes. Perriman is showing stud qualities and that's why coaches are so excited be sure the injuries seem to be a non issue and he can just go play now.

I think Torrey was great at what he does and hindsight says he should have taken a lesser offer to stay here and be a great #2/deep there. I could definitely see him being similar to Wallace if he stayed. I think it was clear to the Ravens during the 2014 season that Torrey wasn't and probably would never develop into that #1 WR they'd hoped he could when drafting him. No diggs just fact from my perception.

when did perriman beat those guys?

his lone TD in his career came against an undrafted rookie CB lol.

im really to lazy to look it up but i bet that when i take torrey first 2 seasons and stack them up against perriman taking in consideration stats, competition and such that torrey will blow perriman away in everything.

im rooting as hard as i can for perriman to become a great player for us but so far he has not even earned the right to be in torrey shadow.

1 hour ago, codizzle said:

Leaders do not have to be vocal simple as that 

 

if you cant lead by example then being vocal is pretty much the only option you have left.

32 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Ray did both, Flacco is neither this season.

Connect the dots.

So ray has a point or not?

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Vocal doesn't mean you have to be Philip Rivers or Tom Brady out there and explode on people. 

A small conversation and encouragement can go a long way and as far as what Tank posted from a previous interview, it sounds like Joe is one to just quietly talk and give encouragement.

That counts as leadership to me; just in a different form.

Where did i say that is what vocal is about?

are you suggesting that ray was getting in players faces and cursing at them and such?

im talking about ray lewis and how he did things.

What the heck? does rivers and brady have to do with what i said?

You saying that ray was just like them?

how do you link me talking and defending how ray did things to other players?

I see nothing wrong with him questioning flacco passion.

many have done the same for years and still do.

leaders have to be vocal or lead by example.

ray did both, flacco neither so far this season.

Seems pretty justified to me unless you think flacco has been performing like he should.