Tru11

17 minutes ago, eze17 said:

Sorry to disagree with you, but Elam definately fits the description of a "bust"...I'm not throwing all the blame on him for the long touchdown last night, but overall he just is not a very good player when it comes to defending the pass. Against the run, yeah, he's o.k. But he has been a liability in passing situations, and when you are drafted in the first round a player is expected to be an all around, full time force on the defense...which Elam is not. I would suspect his time with the Ravens is pretty much done.

how many safeties drafted in the first round are capable of locking down receivers in 1 on 1 coverage?

6 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Also Mike Wallace had cost him at least 2 INTs and has dropped a few TDs and big plays, last night his blunder was horrible.

what blunder did he make?

1 hour ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

You say Weddle was responsible for the deep coverage; what was Elam responsible for - to just stand there and let the receiver run right by him untouched?

Nobody has a problem with what Weddle had done all season long which was move around and disguise coverages, this time it back fired but that's what happens when you gamble - win some, lose some

if he touched the receiver where he was standing it would have been a flag.
seriously dont you even know the rules?

yes he was supposed to let the receiver run past him cause the play call was designed for weddle to be there in coverage.
Elam job was to defend any receiver that ran a route in front of him.
he was responsible for the intermediate part of the field in the middle area past the LOS.
anyone that knows defense and coverage should be able to get this TBH.

Weddle had no bussines biting on the fake as there where 2 lbers waiting past the LOS.

So you are actually blaming elam for a gamble that backfired on weddle?

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

Probably not to far away, but it doesn't mean we can't criticise them for last night. They were horrible. 

where did i say you cant do that?

1 minute ago, THERAVENS said:

Harbaugh should be fired if he insists Elam was not at fault, If he keeps Hester another day as a Raven (maybe they can trade him to New England), and brings back Marty next year.   Flacco time to think about another qb for us. He is hurting the team in the salary cap and not real good return. Ray Lewis was right.  Just a lot of spring cleaning coming. 

quite curious in what makes you think that Elam is at fault.

dont you understand coverages and the responsibilities that come with them?

22 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I felt like Joe Flacco had an abysmal night, but I also don't feel that was entirely his fault. 

The Ravens ran the ball a grand total of four times in the first half and didn't run it a single time on their opening drive. I said all last week that a repeat of the Dolphins game was unlikely and the Ravens needed to stay committed to the run to be able to effectively beat their opponents with offense, not just defense. I think the abysmal showing was largely due to the fact that the Ravens showed no desire to run the ball. I think Marty would have rather just thrown the ball on every single play if Harbaugh wouldn't have eaten him alive for it. No balance there whatsoever. 

As far as Flacco goes though- check-down city and it was not working out for the offense. It was really frustrating to see Flacco look for like one second and quickly move through his reads, then just decide to check it down. The Patriots came in rushing three on 22% of drop backs and only blitzed 14 times, or about 25% of the time. Flacco was pressured on just 8 of his drop backs, good for 14%, the lowest in the league this week. If you work through your progressions that quickly and then just dump it off after a second, you're never going to give your receivers time to get open. The offensive line had a rough first couple drives, but they really came back in a strong way and gave Flacco time, but Flacco was just in total check-down mode. It was really frustrating to see him take shots down the field in the second half and get the offense going, but as soon as they hit the red zone, just little two yard passes that got blown up immediately.

And what was with that "hurry up" offense. The Ravens took the play clock down to five every single time and then Flacco would throw a two yard pass that would get immediately stuffed and then take the clock down to five seconds, again. Zero sense of urgency and zero sense to the play calling and decision making. And speaking of decision making, yes, I do put a lot of that safety on Flacco. The defense loaded up the box and shifted and Flacco didn't make a single attempt to slide the protection or adjust the direction of the play. They shifted to the side that the Ravens were running, too. And no, I'm not saying that they should have checked into a run, but at least make an adjustment.

On a positive note from the offense, Kenneth Dixon runs so hard and with so much violence. I don't think I saw the first man take him down a single time last night. He just had a drive and desire that the rest of the offense lacked. He was going to fight for every single yard and make sure to punish whoever dared to touch him. He's going to be a good one for a very long time here soon.

Defensively, nothing hurts more than the loss of Jimmy Smith. I think he's up there with Weddle and Suggs as the top players that you cannot lose if you want to remain competitive. Just what he allows you to do with your coverages and with the safety help over the top is invaluable. 

The Ravens pass rush was actually pretty decent today and did a generally good job of flustering Brady. I think they pressured him on over 35% of his drop backs, according to PFF. However, PFF also said all three of Brady's touchdowns were under pressure, so that leaves me a bit confused on what exactly getting pressure is because on all three of his touchdowns, the pocket got pushed back, but Brady's mechanics were never compromised and he didn't have to move off his spot. When the Ravens actually moved Brady off of his spot, good things generally happened, like the Weddle interception and intentional grounding calls. Not sure I'd classify any of the three touchdowns as being under pressure, but that's just me.

The issue with the coverage was two fold. The first part was that the Patriots used a lot of stacked and unbalanced formations, so pressing or getting your DB's close to the line of scrimmage wasn't going to happen. Brady took advantage of a lot of clearing routes and hit his men underneath for big YAC opportunities. Second was some of the mismatches that they took advantage of, like having Powers or Webb on Bennett or having Mosley out one on one with James White. Mosley has been excellent in coverage this year, but I don't even care if you're Luke Kuechly- you don't leave him one on one with a running back with the receiving skills of White. Still very impressive that he ran him down. 

For as much praise as Zach Orr got, he was getting worked. He allowed all six throws in his coverage to be completed to six different receivers and a touchdown in which he never located the ball. Orr had great position, but without getting his head around, he had no chance of stopping that touchdown to Bennett. 

Also, for as much as people want to roast Elam, that touchdown wasn't on him. I know he's the number one scapegoat, but if you take time to set aside your bias, you can see he was caught off guard 100% by Hogan running free. That was on Weddle.

Also, I know this is going to be really hard for some to wrap their heads around, but give the defense a lot of props for keeping the Ravens in this game at all. They forced three four and outs, four punts, and an interception in the first half. Despite the offense surrendering a safety, they came right back out and got a three and out. 

The Ravens held the ball for a grand total of 5 minutes in the first quarter and had one drive (3:09, a punt) go for longer than 2:10, 2:20 in the first half. The defense was out there for seven drives against a top five offense, and despite no help from the offense, they really performed valiantly. 

The ugliest has to remain the hypocrites on this form.

I really loved reading about how the Patriots three man rush was so genius because it put eight back in coverage to smother the passing lanes, but if Dean Pees does it, it's idiotic because the Ravens don't get pressure and the quarterback just has so much time to work through his reads. 

all that needs to be said.

4 hours ago, Minionhunter said:

I don't believe either of them. Yes Eric had to get back on him, but Elam blew the initial coverage causing The Whole thing in the first place. I just don't know why they keep covering for Elam.

do you even understand what you are saying?

how can 1 blow a coverage he is not responsible for?

weddle was responsible for the deep coverage not elam.

as a defender you are supposed to stick to what your assignment is and not freelance.
elam did what he was told and weddle did not.

with out this defense and with this offense we have a top 5 pick.

that is being generous.

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

That's not a cheap play by New England...

that was an amazing play.

On 8-12-2016 at 6:32 AM, ravensdfan said:

Sorry, but I disagree on the "really good coach" part. Bottom line is he's been here five seasons and the same issues have been here that entire time. Suddenly, things are better this season, but seriously, how much of that is Frazier's influence? We can't know. Not only that, but the game where the D holds just so happens to be the game where the offense goes off - which is what I've said about him the entire time. His scheme requires an offense that scores better than 30 pts a game, otherwise it fails.

Pees can game plan with the best of them, that much is true. It is when that game plan fails to work that his shortcomings become too obvious. Whether it's Frazier's influence or Pees' is feeling the heat and changed it up - just hope it continues. Yeah I know that means he isn't going anywhere but it's all about the team's success.

how many games this season has the offense put up 30 points without help by any other unit?

unless the offense becomes above average over night and everyone is healthy , id say the odds are pretty low.

the teams we would meet in the play offs will have a competent offense and most likely a pretty good defense.

we will need to score points which this offense has struggled all season to produce even against lesser teams.

its possible but id say lets try to make the play offs first.

the room of error is very small.

If defenders have no shot at winning MVP then its pretty much impossible for a guy who plays special teams to win it.

we probably have to go 16-0 winning every game by only scoring 6 FGS from 50+ in all kinds of weather to have a shot lol

1 hour ago, riseNConquer81 said:

Roethlisberger's cap hit is $23.9M. 
Brady's cap hit is only lower because it ultimately makes him way more money. If the Ravens Front office would like to hand Joe $40M out of pocket up front, I'm sure he will gladly drop his base salary to whatever they want. 

Flacco is not "overpaid."
Andrew Luck has never been to the superbowl and is making $24M a year. 

luck never had and never will have a team as talented as flacco had/has.

if ravens come i will be in the stadium in 1 or the other way.

only took him 9 seasons to figure this out.

5 hours ago, Edug27 said:

Orton during Thomas' rookie season put up very comparable, if not better, stats than Flacco this season.

So that makes Orton of the same caliber as Flacco?

13 hours ago, Edug27 said:

For fun...

Perrimans first 10 games of his career....

42 targets

20 catches

280 yards

1 TD

5-5 record

 

Demaryius Thomas first 10 games of his career...

39 targets

22 catches

283 yards

2 TD's

3-7 record

unless you think tebow and orton are off the same caliber as flacco , compairing them makes little sense.

37 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we had one of those types of players, we would have the money for that kind of talent. And if we didn't have it, we would find a way to get it.

yup and have even more holes to fill on this team.

there is a cap so money you need to keep that kind of talent will have to be taken for somewhere else.

5 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

If you had a Dez Bryant,AJ Green, Brown, Beckham etc I would not have so much of a problem with throwing short

of the 1st down marker. 

We do not have the talent for it 

we dont have the money to pay that kind of talent.

if you win your division you get a home regardless of how bad you where.

home games remain an advantage.

if those bad division winners went on the road in their 1st play off game to play better teams odds are they would not have won much.

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, Joe's cap hit obviously props that up. Anytime you have a team spending $22M on a single player, that side of the ball gets most of the attention in terms of cap spending.

We spent about $40M on offensive players not named Flacco. Not a single offensive player on the team has a cap hit of greater than $5M other than Joe.

my point remains the same even though nothing you said is new information to me.

pretty sad we cant count on the offense at all at this point.

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Our identity is play good defense and hope that the offense puts up enough points and effort to give our defense a breather. 

Pretty much a less-effective, not as good version of the 2015 Broncos.

pretty sad when majority of the cap is spend on the offense.....

its sad when a 3 & 5 is already considered an impossible task to overcome for the offense.

2 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

First, you have never seen me say "throw to the sticks".  I'm speaking in the general sense based upon what I perceive to be ineffective with our offense.  To throw 5 yards when you need 10....and "expecting" the receiver to beat the defender(s) for the next 5 doesn't work well for the Ravens offense for some reason like it does for others.  Now...why is that?  That's the real question to me.

passes not hitting receivers in stride which makes them losing momentum.
passes hitting receivers in stride but their butter fingers make them juggle it losing momentum.
blocking not allowing the QB to set his feet when passing leading to inaccurate throws.
QB simply for no reason throwing a bad pass.
receivers most likely not being where they where expected to be.
defenders closing passing lanes.
defenders tipping passes at LOS.

tbh could be a lot of things.

TBH other then steve smith we dont really have playmakers that can make something out of nothing on their own.

1 minute ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Weird. I was unaware of that. Thanks

YW