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our offense has not gotten the memo its a passing league apperently lol

stats are stats. if stats are all you are going by i wont agree with you. nothing more and nothing less. you can agree with me if you think you need more then stats alone.

Im not agreeing with you. Im awnsering your question as to why there is a difference in stats between 2013 and 2014 for torrey. You wanted to know and i told you. PI and state of the offense among other things. I certainly dont agree with going off just stats to proof a point what you clearly did as seen below........

if it where man coverage i would agree with you. then you should see someone follow and odds are it should have been wright as that was his match up. however it was zone coverage and cover 3 at that. wright had to drop into the deep left zone while webb would drop into the left as they actually did after the snap. young was responsible for the deep right and dropped into that area. elam was supposed to cover the right flat and it was he left hogan run pas him. orr and mosley had the middle of field which is where they where albeit both of them bit on brady fake as well as they both took a step towards the LOS rather then dropping deep enough. that leaves weddle who was responsible for the deep middle where he also lined up as he practically standing over the C but 12 yards deep as the defender furthest back. however he to fell for the fake and he could not recover. if either webb or wright followed hogan to the right then the area they had to cover would be wide open lol. then everyone would had to make actual adjustments on the fly and the areas they where responsible for would had to change. let me point out though that there is no shame and falling for a fake by tom brady. dude is arguably the best QB in NFL history. he is that good. Weddle got fooled this 1 time and it was a big play. He still played one hell of a game but he was not mistake free and perfect though. he was the deep safety in the middle of the field standing the furthest from the LOS for easy and he made an error. no shame as it came happen to the best of them..... this is a nickle cover 2 look. notice how both Corners dont drop deep. opposite of what wright and young did. they lined up further then 5 yards away from the receiver and dropped deep. a player in montion should not at no point change their assigment. it also at no point have elam come up from his safety and its actually a huge issue if weddle let elam free lance.

that has to be the worst cover 2 excecution in the history of the NFL. i reviewed it and it does not look like cover 2 to me. weddle is basicially lined up over center and never really leaves the middle of the field to drop deep left neither outside CB is even remotely close to the LOS or in press coverage. both are actually standing and dropping deep. neither of the lbers drop deep enough to protect the deep middle. neither of the lbers run to the left side to drop deep or take the flat. there is absolutely no way a safety drops from his safety spot to line up over a slot receiver in cover 2. if that was cover 2 then everyone including weddle was wrong in their excecution. i find cover 3 and weddle falling for a fake from tom brady more plausible tbh. if that was supposed to be cover 2 then frazier has to be the worst secondary coach ever by...

it was zone coverage not man coverage. even if webb did motion with hogan , weddle was still the deep safety standing the furthest from the line of scrimmage. he would still have to cover the middle of the field. the same area where hogan caught the pass and towards the endzone. also wright was not stacked on edelman. he was a good 9 yards deep which makes sense since he was supposed to cover the deep left anyways. again though in zone coverage if you want to keep the assignments as simple as possible , the last thing you want to do is travel with receivers in motion. it would then require very good communication to reorder everyone assignments and with young , elam , wright and to a degree orr on the field that does not seem a very smart thing to do. would be even harder since weddle would have to make the calls but he was 12 yards deep. also webb in press on edelman should tell you his assignment was to do just that and then drop into his zone , rather then travel and give edelman a free release. Before we continue im actually curious in what you think weddle was supposed to do standing 12 yards deep in the middle of the field. Also im curious as to why he did not call for adjustments based on hogan going in motion. how does webb motioning with hogan change weddle responsibility to cover the deep middle?

it was zone coverage. webb and elam as the inside corners/safeties where responsible for the flats. young and wright where responsible for the deep part on their side of the field. weddle was responsible for the deep middle. orr and mosley where responsible for the middle of the field. with no outside receiver on wright side it makes perfect sense to stack behind webb. it would be foolish to line up all the way outside to cover nobody. had either edelman or anyone else motioned to the outside you would have seen wright move that way as well. heck if hogan moved that way , elam would have moved closer to the inside but he would not have followed nor would it have changed any of the alignment other then wright lining up across of him like young did on his side. This is basicially the principle of the call. only the pats had no outside receiver on wright side of the field which is why he moved to a spot behind webb which gave an unusual look. the SS is elam, the S is Webb. Hogan and edelman are the inside receivers. Key to recognizing the play call is watching where young and wright are dropping back to after the snap and what webb does after releasing edelman. you will specifically see young dropping back deep into his zone where no receiver is rather then following his receiver go over the middle. apologies for any spelling errors cause its late lol

not really though. your point does not consider the state of the offense. 2013 was a down year for the entire offense with torrey being the only healthy capable receiver. pretty much explains the spike in volume of targets. he was leading the NFL for the first few weeks but then slowed down a lot once teams decided to double team him since he was the only weapon. pretty much explains his lack of TD to. week 5 was the last time he went over 100 yards receiving for instance. also when teams have to pick between jacoby and torrey then teams will pick torrey to role coverage to making it harder for him to score TDs. when teams have to pick between torrey and SSS then it becomes easier. your point does not consider the QB play in 2013 compared to 2014. nor the blocking of the oline or the running. heck your point does not consider the scheme and playbook change for instance. the only point you have made so far is that you tell people to not look at the boxscore yet yourself build your entire argument based on doing just that...... the fact that you have to ask why there is a difference between 2013 and 2014 is telling quite frankly....

he could have had more ?

yup. he was having a pretty good season tbh. was catching a career passes thrown to him as well even though defenders where all over him lol Those 11 TDs where tied for 10th best in the NFL also.

he was being interfered when trying try to catch the ball. lead the league by a pretty large margin. was avg like 21.7 yards per penalty. had like 12 penalties for about 261 yards. also in 2014 he had 49 receptions which is the same as in 2012 when he also had 49 reception. quite curious how this is a career low in your eyes lol. he actually did that with less targets .....

At what point was flacco available in free agency?

i dont see the issue either. then again i care more about the structure of the contract and the cap hits per season.

not really though. it was cover 3 and weddle was responsible for the deep middle. young was lined up on mitchell with elam on hogan on 1 side with webb on edelman on the opposite site. Wright was deep on webb side while Weddle was line up as the deep safety over the middle about 14 yards from LOS. after the snap young dropped deep letting mitchell go over the middle while webb pressed edelman before passing him on to wright. Weddle bit on the fake and the rest is history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1TP5qF5IN4 at the 50 second mark you will get the best view of where everybody was standing and if you play it from there , you will clearly see young dropping into his deep zone letting his receiver loose and same goes for webb who after pressing edelman drop in his zone and look at brady. doubt it was a misalignment by webb as he was the only guy in press coverage lol if weddle does note bite on the fake then this play wont happen.

its after the 2019 season though. my bad on that. after 2018 we can cut him without saving or losing any cap. basicially a 3 year deal.

BTW Williams cap hit for this season is only 6 mil which is not to bad. It will go up to 11 mil next season. After that season if he plays poorly he can be cut post june saving almost 10 mil in cap space with only 2.5 mil in dead money for the next seasons. 1 season at 6 mil then 2 at 11 before he can become a cut casualty. that people actually cry about this is beyond me...

Does it matter? Have you verified that all gregg sacks where him making a play all by himself and not something due to other players or a scheme specific blitz orso? i mean if teams had to pick between double teaming ngata or gregg then the choice would be easy. same with picking between guy/jernigan or williams for instance. or lets say you have a DC that blitzes from everywhere like Rex compared to a DC like pees who relies on 4 man rushes with the occasional blitzer.

Ofcourse it does not change your point. Much easier then admit you are wrong lol. Pretty sure why you have left it out in the first place praying nobody would notice. either way though. Gregg throught out his career avg about 2 sacks per season which is just 1 more then williams has been avg to this point. Gregg first 4 years in the league are worse then williams first 4 years. Gregg play off performance is horrible compared to Williams. Gregg had much more talented players around him on defense and had guys like rex calling the plays.(different schemes) Gregg also had a much much much worse offense to deal with which had him on the field for more plays. Gregg first 2 seasons as a NT came in 2002 and 2003 age 26 and 27, his next 2 seasons where in 2006 and 2007 at age 30 and 31. Williams turned 27 entering his 4th season. Gregg also got subbed out just like pretty much every big man playing NT. Highly doubt that 1 more sack per season with far lesser production in the play offs is a legit reason to say that gregg deserves 11 mil while williams does not. Think majority would certainly take play off performance over 1 extra sack per season. I know for a fact majority of the people are all about play off performances lol

You dont know cause if you did you would drop this whole sack crap in regards to the 3-4 NT position. As for your Gregg argument: williams already has double the amount of sacks gregg has in the play offs while gregg at this point avg about 1 more sack per regular season. Gregg has played 10 play off games and has 0.5 sacks. Williams has played 2 play off games and has 1 sack already. Yet in your eyes Gregg is this amazing pass rusher from the NT position and worthy every penny what williams got but williams is over paid. heck in 10 play off games gregg has 3 tackles and 4 assist. Williams in 2 play off games has 5 tackles and 2 assist. Safe to say that your whole argument about gregg and sacks from the NT position becomes a load of crap once its time for the play offs.

if you cant stop the run , you wont be in obvious passing situations.... also you should really try to figure out what 3-4 NT are supposed to do. its aint the same as 4-3 DT....

how many players on this team are in conversation of being the best at their position? Weddle, Yanda and Tucker are about it quite frankly. Id take someone who only plays 60% of the snaps but as 1 of the league best over someone who plays 100% of the snaps as one of the leagues worst in a heartbeat..... Quality over quantity...

hey if the forums would have been around we could have started a pool on whoever ends first on IR lol

weddle blew that one though.

its a sad day if i have to pay a fee to make use of the official team forum lol. have no issue paying for a site we ourselfs run though. as for info i guess nfl.com will be fine and hello no to twitter and facebook.

looks like a good structured contract to me.