3 minutes ago, The Raven said:How the hell is it a deterrence that we've had two of our four departed OCs leave for HC jobs? That's a logic-less conclusion if I ever saw one. Two got fired (one of whom is in college and one of whom has never lasted more than three years at any job) and two got promotions, and you think it's a deterrence?
It is. In terms of grabbing the best candidate out there, we might be in bottom of barrel.
If we don't have success next season and go anything lower than 8-8, the first one to be let go and be a scapegoat will be our 'new' OC or Marty.
So when do we have the cap to get back into contending for Lombardi again?
Has anyone broke down the dead money & savings cap to see the chance of us keeping both Brandon & Wagner?
As much as I don't want Marty as our OC next year, I have a feeling we will have a hell of a time trying to convince OC to come here.
Our history firing and OC leaving after a year is a deterrence. I'm sure some factor of this played into keeping Marty. Although I do think our FO/Harb should've waited a bit till the decision was made.
19 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:Yanda has a RIGHT guard HOF resume, though that doesn't really matter.
That wasn't what I meant. He is a RG, but got in as a LG in pro bowl(as an alternate). Pretty cool things to see and something he can stash in his resume.
You need to stop this obsession of yours stalking me.
Orr had a pretty good season. I did not expect people would see his talent considering he is not a big name. Props to Zac.
Mosley is pretty much in every season, and Yanda ofc.
Yanda as a left guard though...HOF worthy resume.
Tucker pretty much is the best kicker in NFL. Soon as Vini/Gost is done, I assume Tucker will try to beat their resume if he can stay around the league long enough.
59 minutes ago, callahan09 said:There is a lot wrong with this post. First of all, we've seen Flacco's wrath. Second of all, Flacco's ice in his veins approach to the position has absolutely been a net positive. Remember when he drove us down the field for a go-ahead TD drive in Pittsburgh with the division on the line? Oh yeah, the defense crapped it away, that's right. His mechanics are a symptom of a lot of flux and inexperience at the offensive line and recovering from a season-ending injury. He improved a lot as the season went on and the line got more stable and his injury was more in the rear view.
He can't get the ball past the line of scrimmage and out of bounds to avoid intentional grounding? I have no idea what you're talking about. The play I think you're referring to was ruled intentional grounding because he didn't get out of the tackle box, but it did go out of bounds and past the line of scrimmage. Besides the point that the refs got it wrong anyway because there WAS a receiver in the vicinity.
Mallet played in the Cincy game, not the Pittsburgh game. And he threw a quick interception on a badly underthrown ball when he had full protection in the pocket to step into the throw (something that Flacco actually didn't have the benefit of in that very same game because he was under pressure from 3 and 4 man rushes all game long). But whatever. You just seem to want to nitpick.
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So what happen at the Jets game? Oh yeah, lets forgot 'those games'
When he performed a 0 TD, 2 INT 55% completion game. He made a guy name Buster Skrine look good.
Or how about when we went against Cleveland Browns. He wasn't even sacked once and he gave us a 2TD/2INT 55% completion game. Where his favorite WR was guy name Joe Haden. 2INT from Joe Flacco.
Then he went against Cleveland Browns again @ our turf. Guess who his favorite target was? Joe Haden again. Giving him 3rd Interception of the season.
Guess how many interception Joe Haden had this whole season? Three. Haden did not log a single interception from anyone else this whole season except Joe Flacco this year.
We lack a full SB roster.
Part of that has to do with getting away from "Right player, right price"
We have too many bloated contracts starting with Joe. Other one being useless DBs sitting on money(Kendrick/Arrington) and Doom missing for the past 2 years(either by injury or w/e).
I also agree on the comment above. Our players are inconsistent. When you expect certain performances from certain players, you just did not see it happen.
When the time comes when we actually have great playmakers and great depths on all sides of the field, that's when you will see us contending for the Lombardi again.
To those that wanted facts on Joe Flacco being inefficient:
http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/32522/ravens-cant-win-with-joe-flacco-being-the-nfls-most-inefficient-quarterback
10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:While I agree he needs to play better, if Joe performed exactly as he did this season for the rest of his career, he will be a starter in this league for probably another 5-6 years, and it would likely be for this team.
2016 was a better year for Joe than 2013 and 2015 certainly were, and we still gave him an extension for more money after those seasons (with a very good 2014 mixed in).
I'm not saying Joe played well this season, because I think he can certainly play a lot better. But he's going to have to play a lot worse for him to be in the class of a guy that the Ravens want to or can move on from, and he's easily playing well enough that this team could compete with anybody if they get a talent infusion around them.
ROFL. If he performed exactly as he did this season, he will be out of the woods in less than a year anywhere else. You must have forgotten every game other than the last 3 weeks of the season, b/c defense carried this team. It was statistically top 10 in every category.
With the way he perform he would be where Brock Osweiler, Jay Cutler would be. Which is either a backup job or get canned in the NFL doing what he seems to consistently do well. Which is makiing babies @ offsesason and throwing INTs at the most stupidest crunch time(that clutch factor boys!)
11 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:What's funny is that Harbaugh fired Trestman because he wanted to run the ball more, here comes Marty and he has one of the worst first half runs in the league. Thing is, Marty has always featured pass heavy offenses and has a history of negating the run when it's effective, now that wasn't totally the case this season but there were plenty of times where the Ravens should have took the run and decided to pass.
I don't think he deserves a big pass because it just didn't make this offense that much better, it was still bad, don't think the improvements were too drastic to keep him.
Harbaugh is going into next season on thin ice, have a bad year or miss the playoffs again and that might be his job right there, I just hope Sean Payton is there when that time arrives.
John Harbaugh is a much better HC than Sean Payton. I understand your frustration keeping Marty. But give me a break...Harbaugh is one of the best HC in the NFL. Besides Bill, I can't name another coach that is more highly regarded than Harbaugh.
You are a fool if you think Sean Patyon without Drew Brees, and working with Joe Flacco will replicate the same success he had with Brees.
So what does Flacco have to do Mink? Nothing?
There in lies the problem in Baltimore. HELP HIM! FIRE THE REST! CHANGE THIS! CHANGE THAT!
except everything is improving except flacco. hello????
he is the problem. he needs to play like a top tier QB. He needs to stop eyeing 1-target half the time. He needs to stop overthrowing/underthrowing barely catchable balls that can't produce YAC yards. He needs to build rapport with young receivers to make them into playmakers(never done that). He needs to stop relying on polished veteran receivers @ panic time.
Nothing Flacco did shows progression and WORK ETHIC to be the great one.
#1 issue: FLACCO!
Then you can see changes drastically happen. Shift in minor pieces will help. But Flacco is the center that moves all the chain. Until then the clock will not move for Ravens to be back in SB contention.
This is just so sad and stupid.
Half of folks has no idea or NEVER even try to watch how the other #2-#5 defense were this year.
We finally have something going and you want to wreck it down and put it on shambles. Just smh.
25 minutes ago, rmw10 said:I've never been one to blame coaching, but retaining Marty is an awful decision that I believe will end up costing Harbaugh his job this time next year. You can point to all of the stats that you want in regards to the improved PPG under Marty, but it's the situational football that makes him awful. How many times are we going to pass the ball in obvious running situations? How many times are we going to throw a screen pass on 3rd and 10 (because we threw 2 incomplete passes prior)? Unless Marty has something drastically different than what we've seen so far, some heads are going to roll next year.
Have you considered the chance of Ravens actually getting a 'great OC'?
It might be lower than Browns being a playoff contenders next year.
We basically fired 3 OCs(besides Kube) starting from Cam Cameron in embarassing fashion.
What makes you think a OC will:
1) work with a now 10year vet QB that is regressing
2) fanbase that will always shift the blame on OC
3)HC that is more than willing to cut OC before season ends and believes QB can do no wrong
Whether you want to believe it or not, no sane OC wants to come here with that kind of leverage.
We have alot of coaches on staff that are well respected and well praised. But when it comes to OC specifically? We hace some weird fetish to put him in the dumps faster than anyone else in the nfl.
First time Joe actually willing to do the right thing and start something early to improve his flaws.
If your in the dumps, you got to put in the work.
One of the very rare occassion where flacco is actually doing something right.
1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:Does Pitta have a 'catches made' incentive??
I think Flacco is just doing what he does every game. Eyeing on 1-target per game. He doesn't have the ability to see the field.
Just now, rmw10 said:Seriously. Not only the players, but the coaches as well. Steve Smith is one of the only ones playing with any heart out there.
But I thought your 'boy' had 'passion' no?
You know that quiet passion where he throws multiple INTs or play like crap.
Just now, Grapple Raven said:I swear this conservative offensive game plan we've had for years...when we finally get to the end zone we don't know what to do down there...it is like we are in foreign territory!
Flacco throws over +20 yards is the worst in NFL this year.
I think the only thing Flacco is thinking about right now is to prevent himself from throwing another INT. That is the best he can do atm.
Just now, reed20 said:Dumb playcall to alex lewis. The only reason I still even care is because I have us covering 12 points on the parlay but we cant even do that. Truly expected a better farewell to SSS.
I think everyone has. Except Joe doesn't have the ability to do that.
Just now, darklight1216 said:You've seen it before.
"That was a hard fought game against a really good opponent. I'm proud of our effort." - Harbs
"We left some plays out there." - Flacco
"We" is Flacco's favorite word when he throws more than 2 interceptions.
Just now, Militant X 1 said:That was cold! Damn!
Its sad but true.
Watch out for Flacco flocks to start peeing their pants and start spilling excuses in ...3....2....1..
1 minute ago, JO_75 said:Is this the team just outright quitting on Harbaugh?
Do i have to lay out Flacco's stat for you? Bet you he is winning the lottery being the worst in week 17
Just now, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:Did you see Joe not step into that last incomplete? His feet suck
Joe's been a joke. He is more rustled than Ronda Rousey.
Only thing he guarantees vs. Bengals is INTs on every game we play against them.
4 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:It's true Joe steps up his game when we play Pit. Too bad we cant just play them 16 games a year. It seems to me, and this is just my opinion, Flacco underperforms consistently and has the ocational great game as opposed to the other way around. He is a tease if you ask me.
Yea a true performer with 1 TD /1INT. That will sure win us games 16 games a year.
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That would be a dumb move. There isn't a better HC out there to replace Harbaugh.
You can fire Marty and Pees, but Harbaugh is considered one of the best in the NFL unanimously by both fans and the league.