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    35 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

    History says that no matter what the issue is you will blame Flacco.   lol

    Name one young receiver that didn't pan out here, but then went on to succeed with another QB.  

     

    You are asking almost the impossible.  So you get drafted and don't succeed with your first team.  The possibility of anyone giving you a 2nd chance to be groomed like your first team is slim to none.   

    I can list you all the WR we drafted since Joe was drafted and you can name me how many of those WRs actually broke 1000 yards.   Fair?

    Justin Harper

    Marcus Smith

    David Reed

    Tandon Doss

    Torrey Smith

    Tommy Streeter

    Aaron Mallette

    Michael Campanaro

    Darren Waller

    Breshad Perriman
     

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    History says our QB cant build rapport with young receivers.  We tried it every year and none of them panned out.   You can draft another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder, but dont expect anything out of it.   

    The more reliable option is in the FA with Flacco.   We need another receiver that is polished and ready to go like SSS/Boldin/D.Mason in the past.   

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    If this isn't the best pool of talent in secondary i dont know what is.   

    The only issue i see is chemistry and teamwork.    We are in it to see some serious magic happen in the secondary if things align right.   Going to be one amazing show this season to watch these guys.

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    Ever since paying Joe Flacco the top dollar, we haven't had a complete depth and talent across all areas(ST/Defense/Offense) since 2012.   

    I am desperately holding onto hope when times were good in B-more.  Good times when 'Right player, Right price' were done the right way and we had a complete team to contend for the Lombardi.   When we were a real feared team to compete against the top dogs.   

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      9 hours ago, billiejean said:
      13 hours ago, zing21042 said:
      On 3/2/2017 at 1:29 PM, TheRavengers said:
      On 3/2/2017 at 0:39 PM, Chuckx999 said:

    Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
    We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

    I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

    Playing the devil's advocate, I think we should start looking farther ahead than one year. Since the SB, Flacco's performance has been lackluster at best. Even that year, his play-off performance was exceptional, but his performance during the regular season was...OK.

    I think we need to start grooming a young QB to take over, rather than "fill-in" for Flacco. The Flaccman has engendered some bad habits over the past few years that we will see again next year. He had weapons last year but did not use them because his mantra became "Checkdown Charlie". Expect to see that next year as well. Flacco has lost the ability to survey and look down field. He has become more concerned with getting hit. Unlike other QBs, Flacco needs and takes a lot of time in the pocket that our offensive line cannot give him. I do not blame the line...they give him enough time, just not as much as he needs.

    We require some young, hungry blood that is not afraid of taking risks. Clearly, that is not Flacco. It may have been at one time, but no longer. I am all for a draft pick; high or low and start distancing ourselves from loosers. Of note, Brady, Rothlesberger, Prescott, Cunningham, Rivers, Steve Young, Doug Flutie....the list is long of young back-up QBs who displaced their "first string QBs" and went on to great careers. The time is ripe for the Ravens to follow suit.

    That would be a huge mistake. Are you really suggesting that we should spend a first or a second on a QB this year? I mean those are the rounds where starting QBs are found? Drafting QBs is a far from a sure thing though. There is less than a 50 percent chance that a QB picked in the first round will be successful and it goes downhill from there. And when you factor in the fact that this is such a weak class in the QB department, taking a QB high just doesn't make sense. We have plenty of other holes that need filling. Wasting a high round pick on a QB isn't an option on the table, but we could take one in the later round. But don't expect a QB taken late to become the heir apparent to Flacco. I also think there is some selective remembrance going on here and yea two years without a playoff run does that (for Ravens fans at least). Flacco had arguably his best season in 2014 which was 2 years after the superbowl.

    1) Where did I say that we should use a first round pick on a QB?
    2) We have had quite a few first round picks that have been busts and they were not QBs.
    3) Nothing is a "sure thing. On defense we have been just as successful with undrafted FA as we have been with early draft picks.
    4) Great. Flacco had another stellar year...but his completion percentage was mediocre that year also. What about the plethora of lackluster years?
    5) We can agree to disagree...but we need some young blood. Flacco will not be our solution going forward.

    Don't even sweat it. Billiejean is a certified flacco homer. He will defend Joe even if he throws for 1TD/1INT every game for the whole season. Oh wait....joe almost did last year...

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    20 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

    If the offer to Williams and Wagner exceeds 8.5M and 7M respectively we are screwed for a long time to come.You can't overpay non game changer type players ever. Neither of these guys is a game changer. They are solid at their positions but that is it.

     

    I think Ozzie and Co will offer him money that is fair.  But if both gets lucky @ FA and gets a 'KO' type of contract.....its goodbye for Wagner/Williams.    It is unfortunate but that is pretty much how it is going to be for us for a long time.   Our cap is junk.

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    On 1/21/2017 at 0:13 PM, gtalk12 said:

     

    You don't think the Broncos would love him there? With that cast of WR's? With his arm in that stadium? sheesh...

    The fans would go on a riot and demand Elway to be fired if they brang in Joe Flacco w/ the current contract.   You really have a pretty closed minded perception how much of a laughing stock Joe is outside RavensNation.  

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    On 2/23/2017 at 2:14 AM, Tank 92 said:

    Thanks for enlightening me. In reading this it seems the facts point to the obvious(to most) reasons for sub par passing game performance. Poor receivers, lack of YAC, conservative play calling and injuries. 

     

    I dont think I've enlightened you at all. 

    Under that article from Baltimore Suns there is a link to another article from Football Outsiders.

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/failed-completions-2016

    It shows analysis of what to make of Flacco completions and a thorough analysis and breakdowns of what to make of Flacco's performances.  

    Actually, read the facts.  It is definitely an interesting article.  Let me know if you actually read it.  

     

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    On 2/20/2017 at 2:46 PM, ravensnick said:

    Elite Edge Rush and Receivers. Add a Julio/Odell to our team or a Von Miller/Khalil Mack and we probably win 2-3 more games. Healthy OL would have helped a ton as well. As we sit this offense, we are basically a talented WR and healthy OL away from a fearsome pass offense. Wallace and Perriman would make an outstanding #2 and #3 combo, but they just aren't #1 caliber guys.

    Add Aaron Rodgers on top of that and we might be a dynasty for years to come

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    1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

    I know Juice is probably more of a priority but what about Mike Tolbert if we can't re-sign Juice? Think he can take on the Vonta Leach role and help with the run game. Would be nice to potentially re-sign Juice and get Tolbert since Juice also can play TE and Tolbert can take snaps at RB for a goal line back.

     

    Honestly, I'd rather spend that money on Lawrence Guy.   

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    2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

    Not trying to be argumentative - I don't know what this has to do with what I posted. 

    The post I replied to said if we bring in 2 FA WRs we can't keep Wallace bc that'd make Perriman the #4. 

    I only brought up Thomas to show that even a rookie WR with 2 very high quality WRs in front of him isn't just designated the #3 guy. You become what your ability says you are. 

    If we kept Wallace and added two established, productive receivers (we won't) it would only effect Perriman as much as he allows it to. 

    If he goes into TC balling like he's fully capable he can make himself the #1 or #2 guy regardless of who else is here. 

    And conversely if he's not good enough to be a very productive 1st or 2nd target then we shouldn't be complacent at the position just bc we want Perriman to be that -- and therefore just hand the job to him. Making him your number 1 will lead to a poor offense if he's only good enough to be the #4 when faced which 3 other actual NFL caliber talents at the position. 

    If that's the case we absolutely should be looking to keep Wallace and add 2 more quality players. 

    But personally I think Perriman takes a big leap this year. I think Camp finally stays healthy and becomes a big part of the offense. And I think we add a solid FA option at WR giving us by far the best group of WRs we've ever had in terms of legit depth. 

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    All the points you pointed out I agreed.  Just thought that I add to the conversation to add something about Michael Thomas.

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    1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

    Depends... do you think Michael Thomas is as good or better than Torrey Smith?

    If so, then yes, in theory, Thomas could have had that kind of impact. We sort of know that, based on Torrey's rookie year production.

    Most people would go to the box score and say "but Torrey only 50 catches, 840 yards and 7 TDs in his rookie year", and you would be correct.

    EXCEPT you're not. Why? Because you're not taking volume into consideration.

    In 2016, Drew Brees had 673 pass attempts... the highest of his career. Thomas caught 92 of those balls, on 122 targets.

    Comparatively, in Torrey's rookie year (2011), Joe had 542 pass attempts. That's 121 attempts less than Drew had in Thomas' rookie season. Torrey had 50 catches on 95 targets, so he had 27 less targets than Thomas did.

    So if we adjust Joe's percentages to reflect the volume of what Brees did, this would be Torrey's stat line in his rookie year with a volume identical to what Drew Brees had in 2016 (Thomas' rookie year):

    Targets: 118

    Receptions: 64

    Yards: 1,077

    TDs: 9

    So if Joe had simply thrown the ball in Torrey's rookie year as much as Drew did in Thomas' rookie year, Torrey would have projected to have just under 1,100 yards and 9 TDs.

     

    Joe had 1 less pass attempts than Drew Brees last season.  

    One threw for 5208 yards 37TD/15INT  70% completion

    The other one 4317 yards 20TD/15INT  64% completion

    The one WR that barely scraped past 1000 yard was mike wallace with 1017 yards & 4TD.  Meanwhile Brees had 2 receivers over 1000 yards, with third WR beating Steve's yard amount.  I have a hard time believing volume would have made Michael Thomas a 1000yarder with Joe in 2016.   HIGHLY doubt that...

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