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I agree with everything you said but truth be told I'm not that high on Camp.Never really thought he was anything special beside a returner or a last receiver in a bench rotation type guy,though I do see what your saying and hope that your right.

Well that's not really clear but this is going nowhere so lets agree to disagree. .Theres alot of guys both in the draft and Fa that I would like.Which side of the ball?

Joe does have the deer in the headlights look.I'll give you that but your reaching with Wilson being way better.First off Carolina taking they're foot of the gas in the second half has a lot to do with Seattle making the attempted comeback.Seattle fought hard but if Carolina came in with half the aggressiveness in the 2nd half,that they did in the first,the score woulda been higher.Second of all,Joe wouldn't have thrown those ints but instead would've taken the sack like a deer in the headlights.Russell Wilson tried be superman and put his team in the hole that doomed them in the first place.Even during the comeback he threw so many ducks,overthrows,under throws and ground balls,while also making bonehead moves in the pocket,he killed some key opportunities.From superbowl to this season,Seattle is trying to shift the focus to Wilson and make it his team and as we all see,they don't have the same aura about them,because Russell Wilson is a complimentary qb.He compliments the system they want to run but he's not someone that you fully build around.The reason Joe has been "suspect" is partially his own fault and partially the personnel inconsistency on the field/coaching staff changes.Your freaking out way too much.We have some work to do but your acting like we're the titans or Cleveland.Ozzie and the crew have been slippin but lets watch and see what they do first before we say the sky is falling.

Agreed

There is a difference skill wise.I think Joe has more potential but never really has the chance to show it from a personal point.Other than that I agree with you there isn't much of a difference right now.

They are absolutely in the same sentence.The reason hes been to back to back superbowls is because of his defense.The reason hes in the divisional game this year is because of his defense and a missed field goal as we saw last week against the vikings.Flacco has done nothing because he has a defense that cant close and some of the most mediocre weapons in the league.Not saying Joe doesn't have his faults and does some head scratching things but don't be fooled by russell wilson.He's an elusive game manager with an incredible heart who can improvise on the fly.He has a good rb behind him who is the bread and butter of that offense and who because of his presence,allows wilson to have the success that he has for the most part.Also what qb would you draft?Lynch or Paxton?Nah that's alright.Unless its a Jameis/Cam/Luck clear cut talent,then no thanks.

Agreed.In regards to the media,i dont expect them to be all about him,but its just frustrating to see the passes other qbs that do nothing get but Joe doesn't.I would love to see Joe with the same OC and some legit weapons and see what he can really do.Hopefully while he's rehabbing with his injury,he can fine tune his mechanics a bit and tweek his overall game,both mental and physical.

I'm not sayin hes bad or anything but hes not all of that.Still good though.He does ball hard to and is possibly the most elusive qb since tarkenton.He's good but when saying he's better than flacco is another story.I think we underappreciate joe because alot of these other qbs are flashier but in truth their really overrated.Time after time I can remember the media and this forum putting these other qbs above joe and time and time again they all fall flat on their face.I.E.-Ryan,Stafford,Kaep,Griffin,Sanchez, Schaub and the list goes on and we've seen them all fall.Joes not elite but he's above game manager and being a decent qb.I feel like him,Ben and Eli are in a grey area in the top 10 over their career.Not top 3 but definitely top 10 and possesing the ability to be top 5 though they may not be in it.They also possess the ability to get hot in the postseason as we've seen.Not knocking what you said but what we got is better than most in this league at qb.

Agree with you about Rodgers but I'll take Flacco over Wilson all day.Wilson is not all that great and is surronded by a great team.Not the greatest offense but still.Joe was one of the, if not the main reason we won the Superbowl and won Mvp,where as Wilson wasn't and had a defense that carried him.

Oh,my fault.Thought you meant it validated that he was a good play caller.We're on the same page then.

On point 1 your right on the money,except it was 2012.With the second post,I gotta disagree with.The entire fanbase was callin for cam to get fired as well as many in the media realising his ceiling and understanding that with his conservative playing style and vanilla/predictable playing style,the ravens would only go so far.i do agree that it was a suprise that he got fired but more so when he got fired rather than the fact he got fired.It was after the redskins game and we were in a battle for the north with a few games left.

Because in a way it is.The FO may like him for now but this move definitely lets Pees know he needs to step up his coaching scheme and get better results.The same thing when Caldwell was signed in 2012.The FO said they were content with Cam but we all new Caldwell was gonna be the OC in case Cam did the same tired scheme and was fired.He did,was replaced with Caldwell and we won the Superbowl.

Not trying to knock your post,but Weddle even at 31 and with his injuries is better than webb and elam put together.

I agree with you with the defense.In regards to the offense,our wr core is worse than decent even when healthy.

Even with that,i'd like ozzie to add something to our future down the line to go alongside Perriman by getting Boyd/Doctson in the draft in the 2nd.

For real.He better be all pro his rookie year like mosley or zach martin was

I think even with Davis back and even if he plays at that level, we still need a cb or two and can't overestimate the secondary anymore.Im with you,I want Hargreaves the most.

I'm with you.I dont get the infatuation with Sanu and Jones on this board.Also never been a Pierre Garcon fan in the least.I think VJax could be a viable option on a short contract.

Watching the bills play now,its ironic how the year tyrod leaves,Joe goes down.smh

This!Were having a down year but this offseason with the cap space we can potentially have and the picks we may have,we have the tools to stay as contenders.In addition,the guys we're getting back next year,the development of key positions we have such as our te's.Also possibly the biggest factor,which is Oz,Jon,Eric seeing that this staff,our disciplinary issues and they way the put this team together for this season has completely blown up in their face,a long look in the mirror for them is inevitable and heads will roll with accountability being paramount.This seasons bad from a winning perspective but it might be the slap in the face this franchise needs to get back to its old ways while still being open to new trends in an ever changing league.Our FO has been slipping,but i got no doubt in their ability to fix it.

I was thinking the same thing in regards to the weapons.This sucks but maybe this might actually wake ozzie up to go and put some prime receiving talent(sans TE)around joe.

But look at Phillip Rivers.Tore his in january and came back to start the next season and had a good year.

This!!

lmao.I was thinking the same thing.

I wanted diggs real bad.Watched the draft and wondered why we didn't pick him.literally could of been had in the 4th instead of waller.